The "atoms" that constitute all social entities

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Regarding society…

Japanese, African, European, Asian, doesn’t matter; the law here expounded still applies…

the fundamental first principles of society’s organization (which is pretty chaotic) I have found…

Certain social “modules,” that can also be called “root powers”… about 13 of them in total… had intercourse in various ways, thus forming various powers big and small, some of whom are TPTB. That is to say, the traces or stamp of the ancient entities linger in today’s multipart social entities… so those talking about “TPTB” should leave a “separate bloc” viewpoint and try to embrace the “molecular” or “atomic” viewpoint…

For example, about a word of 3 “molecules” (or rather “root powers”):

The verbal bloc “KMR” (as in Kumar), if we consider its origins as a sticky “imprint”, must have had some links to the ancient heroes, deities, and factions behind the roots “K”, “M”, and “R” – which had, “imprintingly” (w.r.t. public memory), conspicuous association over some phase(s) of space-time – it is thus that the verbal bloc KMR came to be.

Details on the “root powers”, the atomic constituents of all social entities, conveniently traceable as word roots participating in their names:

xinxii.com/en/the-root-powers-p-369665.html

Click on “excerpt”, on the right side, to get a good chunk of this book to read for free…( though if you buy the hard copy, well, that would be a rather pretty thing to do…)

Now let’s have some discussion please…

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Could you expand on that e.g. what are the 13 root powers and how has their philosophy moved through history til present day? A bit of chat with complex theories helps get the conversations going imho. :slight_smile:

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Welcome Amorphos
A few of them might have even eroded a bit with time (e.g.: the J and V root powers used to be much more dominant long ago).

The root powers may not particularly be, by themselves, politically impactful or dominant powers… It is just that, at some point, they were. So much so that they gave their sound-names to the word roots of the ancient language (proto-PIE, then PIE).

We can discuss them individually… which one seems most interesting to you*?

I would know a bit more about each of them than I have written out there, so this promises to generate interesting discussion…

  • I’m sure Trixie will say “X”, but X is only a secondary root, not one of the 13 or so primary roots… younger… the X root power is one of the more powerful nevertheless…
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Well some African tribes still speak a very old tongue with clicks and whistles and a whole bunch of short sharp sounds. I was intrigued when on a nature documentary it was noticed that meerkats have a language of around 30 slight variations of sounds which to me sounded almost the same. So I am thinking that language develops from animal sounds to very early human with not a lot of variation, ergo those early languages ‘interrupted’ the softer animal-like sounds with those clicks etc such to denote greater variance.

Modern language has perhaps got softer over the years [though linguistics is not my strong point], after those variations have been arrived at, and perhaps they are the origins of consonants. Most people say ‘aporent’ instead of abhorrent, perhaps because when saying the word quickly the ‘h’ after a ‘b’ kinda forces the sound to migrate from b to p. so I agree that words become eroded and shortened, mostly because we denote less time to conversation and are generally in a rush to get our sentences out. This is what makes us argumentative I think, as its a bit like a fight to make points while the more arrogant talk over people, or they do that psychology thing where they look into each of a groups eyes as they speak, so they are commanding the whole conversation [can also be used to be more inclusive on the other hand].

The ‘j’ and ‘v’ sound structures are perhaps more difficult except at the start of words?

What mystifies me most is why we have an alphabet with repeated sound-structures, like c where s or k do the same job according to usage, then there is q, which is k + y + u [or sometimes k + w]. I guess the Greeks used the alphabet differently, but you would have thought that when the English dictionary was introduced [by those people who were mostly speaking French at the time, when they decided to appropriate our language and make words up], they would have equally revised the alphabet too.

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The J root powers, for one, have been, rather, decimated or driven underground…
Kanan Jarrus stated: “…There were around 10,000 Jedi Knights defending the galaxy. Now, we are few. But in those days, we had small outposts, temples spread throughout the stars. The Empire sought out these temples and destroyed many of them…”

(* That’s a myth indeed. but you know the raw power of myth, more than any history can deliver).

Repeated sound-structures is definitely a corruption of language, coming after the debacle at Babel – e.g. how J and Y are used interchangeable. Or about c, s interchangeability. These ills did not afflict the pure language (Tengwar/PIE, born ca. 5200 BC), but gradually languages came to have more of a “constructed” component (ah, the Grammar Nazis and their absurd rules for language… i read a paper somewhere about the low IQ of the grammar stickler).

These “enhancements” (according to their originators), or corruptions in my eyes, are a lot more apparent in German or Sanskrit, which have more of the “constructed” or unnatural elements in them… arbitrary rules…

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Interesting! Are there any copies of the alphabet of PIE? I’d be especially interested in any correlative meanings, if animals and deities were used, and the nature of the symbols. I think language can tell us something about an unknown world ~ unknown to those speaking such languages. Something prior to the wordsmiths is always refreshing eh!

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vin%C4%8Da_symbols

“The Vinča symbols, sometimes called the Vinča signs, Vinča script, Vinča-Turdaș script, Old European script, etc., are a set of symbols found on Neolithic era (6th to 5th millennia BCE) artifacts from the Vinča culture of Central Europe and Southeastern Europe. The symbols are mostly considered as constituting the oldest excavated example of “proto-writing” in the world; that is, they probably conveyed a message but did not encode language, predating the development of writing proper by more than a thousand years.”

To say
“they probably conveyed a message but did not encode language”
– is absolute BS…

They pretty much did encode language! But that was the language of Feanor, the language of the fallen angels… so analytic academia obviously denies its status as a language.

The primary advocate of the idea that the markings represent writing, and the person who coined the name “Old European Script”, was Marija Gimbutas…

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vin%C4%8Da_culture

The wiki page used to talk about its sophisticated agriculture, which also included medicinal plants (hemp, poppies) … but that info has been removed since…

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The early bone Chinese symbols are sometimes visibly animal like, and reading through a few links I can see how Chinese writing began. They went complex, trying to get as much meaning into a symbol as possible, where Arabs and Europeans went the other way, preferring to simplify the symbols and instead for complex meanings from a greater multiple of characters.

Absolutely. They just said language ‘like it says on the tin’ - so to speak. At first there was no need to confuse things with masses of symbols, if they wanted to sell a product, say a vat of olive oil, then the vat just needs to say that. On the wiki they also contradictorily said that early language was used for trade and commerce, which to me means some guy has lists of symbols and a way to correlate them in groups and worth and what have you = language.

Lol right.

Curious! One would think there to be agendas at work lol

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Agendas in archaeology… Hell yes! Most interesting topic. Like the Curse “of” Tutankhamen*…

An ambitious idea: -

Since Akhenaton equated himself to Shu and his Queen Nefertiti equated herself to Tefnut… as i read somewhere…

Therefore, their son (Tutankhamen) could be equated to Geb,… the God of the netherworlds… who is in Indic mythology Vishnu, God of “Dwarka”, resident of “Patala” (netherworlds)… and therefore Vishnu’s avatar “Krishna” (who did occur sometime around the Iron Age beginning, that much i know for sure) was Tutankhamen! This theory makes a lot of sense. The Power of Egypt* is the God of Hades after all. Also, Krishna is shown as a boy, and Tutanbkhamen was famously a boy-king (or rather boy-pharaoh — pharaoh being more than just a King – a God or rather demigod!!

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I was referring to the ignoring of drugs in the ancient world and their removal from the wiki – an agenda.

I thought he believed only in Ra ~ the Aten. Their son Tutankhamun returned to the old gods [under pressure from the priesthood/society].

It is? Osiris was the god of the underworld as was Anubis, but they were the doorway into their Elysium. Isn’t it a bit western/Christian to view the Egyptian religion as a product of hell? Or am I misunderstanding you? :slight_smile:

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True, quite possible…

True, true,… though Akhenaton didn’t regard a plethora of Gods* led by Amun (who would nevertheless finally emerge victorious), he did recognize the gods of an older generation particularly Shu (who he himself was)

(* those who are attacked by Set in the film Gods of Egypt… call it the “polygods” nexus…)

apart, of course, from his main recognition, Aten – the supreme God (Vishnu/Krishna), who was none but his son, Tutankhaten, whose name of course therefore translates as, or means “Living Image of Aten”… of course, yeah, Krishna, the latest avatar of Vishnu, was not permanent in fact within his own lifetime he changed and became as you said, Tutankhamun (whereby Amun et al. returned to power)

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Osiris and Anubis were the “pro”-Amun, minor powers of the underworld in the scope of the Amun-led polygods nexus.
The real (monolithic, indie/pro-logic) power of the underworlds was Geb (“Aten” in the solar form).
a product of hell… heh heh… now you know why in western/Christian religion they say “Amun” (amen) at the end of prayers…
So you see this dichotomy between the “Amun-led polygods nexus” and the… relatively Monolithic nexus…