The Case for Dishonesty

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I often ask myself, as I once did on that fall day when I was but nineteen and carrying an overstuffed duffle-bag across a desolate border-town’s square, wearing my army-best and on my way to my new unit: “What the hell am I doing here?!”
It is a question that still baffles me with its need for an answer but also entertains me with its resistance to any answer at all.
It is this query, with its literal and rhetorical applicability, which not only troubles me in those moments of existential angst but also vents my frustrations when I find myself in those strange environments, life sometimes leads me into, in her own mysterious way.

“Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans.” John Lennon said, and I have become painfully aware of that fact.

The mind, that great planner, struggles to keep up with conditions and to encapsulate them within some general tenants that will be able to predict their outcomes; a mind very much in servitude and imprisoned within a physical cell that both contains it and preserves it, enables it and constricts it, connects it and isolates it, all at the same time; a mind wanting to become master of its own destiny and ruler over its own small piece of existence.

What are we, if not self-contained infinity, a conglomeration of insistence trying to attain full consciousness?
An admittedly, still very primitive consciousness condemned to solitude and in search out of its isolation.
A distance separates us, not only from the infinite possibility of the other, but also from the dark abyss of the self.
We are just as surprised by an inner world, pulling us back into our singularity, as we are by an outer one, pushing us forth into multiplicity.

Science, that tentacle of human reason, has attentively approached the outer and inner frontiers of understanding, and now resorts to poetics to fill in the gaps of its comprehension, and philosophy, wisdom’s well, struggles against rampant scepticism and nihilistic despair, where all “truth” is trapped in a web of humble perspectivism and uncertainty.

In the incomplete awareness of essence we are simultaneously faced with an accompanying emptiness, a vast gradation of desolate spaces dancing with time - a priori synthesis or not - to create matter out of nothing at all; elementary particles miraculously springing out of a vacuum in a vast sea of vagueness constructing unities that appear substantial but are really not in the sense that we perceive them to be.
In that dance between time and space, the slowest dancer, in relation to the subject, is interpreted, by the senses, as being solid and substantive, the quickest one is perceived as ethereal, liquid or airy in its fleetness, and the mind, as both a necessity and a victim of time, fights on behalf of ordered space and against temporal change, trying to arrest the struggle, congeal it into a state of inertness, solidify it and make it knowable, timeless… perfect.

In a similar manner we are confused by inner forces creating the impression of division while at the same time exposing the absurdity of individuation altogether.

A new secret confounds us now and we paint over it, like a blank canvas, using the subtle hue of symbolism and insinuation, and metaphor is reluctantly recruited to define what language, or the intellect it mirrors, cannot.

We now sense a commonality, hidden from us by the shroud of sensual reality, an underlying unity, a common ancestry we want to claim as our own and hope to return to someday……some way.
We feel our participation within a greater mystery and we are soothed by its promise and comforted by its possibility.

But is this intuitive evaluation a subconscious memory, a faint connection to the Self, to the Will, to God, to what Wayne Dyer calls “Intention”, or is it a way the mind saves itself from the discomforts of lucidity?

One cannot offer a definite answer, and that’s the reassuring point, isn’t it?
All we can say is that this illusion of “self” struggles to expand, to go beyond itself, to transcend by breaking free of flesh and all that binds it to its transience, and to join a something or a someone else, to return to a source, if possible, or, at the very least, establish some form of link to a larger whole.
{Whether this drive is a result of a real intuitive understanding or of some deep seated insecurity is irrelevant for the purposes of this thesis and so will not be explored any further here.}

Creation and Procreation are such instances of ripping through the ego and of unfurling ones identity with or through something other than.
The parent senses a release - real or not - an abandonment of the confining corporeal shell, when he or she witnesses one of his/her parts growing and expanding independently, and externalized into a new multi-dimensional form, a distinct otherness and sameness all at once.
The ego is stretched - making it thinner, more translucent and porous - to incorporate this new branching out within its sense of identity and the sensation is one of expansion and of enlargement.
The self sees itself in the offspring, no longer as a mere reflection or a caricature, but as an actual distinctness, autonomously acting and thinking and being unpredictably unique, though similar enough to relate to and live vicariously through.
The self now brushes up against dissolution. It experiences, first hand, its precariousness and preserving illusions and this stretching of ego relieves the tensions off its self-cohesion.

An artist, similarly, experiences this same expansion of identity, this release from the boundaries, even if to a lesser degree, when he or she exposes a piece of his/her inner being, as it is made conscious, in the form of a symbolic outward representation, both part of and separate from the creator.
All creations reward the creator with this same sense of liberation and discharge, often expressed by invoking imagery of spiritual awakening or becoming apparent as a form of intellectual enlightenment.

Man builds to replace what he understands as disorder with his own idealized form of order which he imitates from the patterns he experiences in the world around him. He turns unpredictability into predictability, uses random materials to construct monuments based on mathematical principles and purpose, turns color into painting, sounds into music and words into prose in an effort to express the inexpressible, he takes thoughts and constructs ideologies trying to discipline his nature to a set of values and struggles to substitute an indifferent reality with an ethical, just one, in agreement with what he believes he wants and deserves.

Consciousness, in its search for this release from finitude, becomes an instrument of order, an agent of harmony in the tumult, a preacher of idealized states; it becomes a sorcerer conjuring up the source or a wizard claiming dominance over its mystery.

The mind, this ghostly ambiguity, this ethereal product of matter, is but an instrument of conservation, struggling to establish essence in the void, to envelop the universe into an organized synchronization, to heal it from the rift of time and bring it to the balanced final end of flawlessness.
Man refers to this hoped for, imagined state, as Heaven or Nirvana or by whatever mystical term his spiritual heritage has labelled it with. It is, for him, an abstracted final destination, an escape from the tumultuous, and often disconcerting, existence he calls…life.

A memory, perhaps, governs its focus. A memory of a moment where unity was complete, if not perfect, where all the forces were one and multiplicity had not yet come to be, through the tearing apart of the void, we like to call the Big Bang.

Scientists tell us that in the beginning, even before there was a word, all forces were one. No matter must have existed then, since there was no time/space, to rip it out of the Nothingness- this same state of unified balance, still echoes within us, like some form of background radiation, urging us to return to it, to reconstruct it from the decaying order and solve its riddle by finding the clues in its hidden patterns.

Our myths, as projections of our psychology, are fraught with the imagery of reunification, of our desire to achieve concordance with an otherness and heal reality and ourselves from its entropic disease.
Our language is likewise full of such insinuations: The English word harmony, for example, is but a derivative of an ancient-Greek goddess’s name, Harmonia - Harmonia who was daughter to Aphrodite, goddess of sex and lust, and Ares, god of war and violence, and in the ancient tongue her name meant: to join.
It is not a coincidence that both Kypris (Aphrodite} and Ares are representations of the uncontrollable parts of human nature - creative and destructive, wild and base, pleasing and agonizing. Both aspects of nature, reason struggles to come to terms with and the intellect fights to bring under its direction.

This disease we all feel inside of us as discontentment, as a psychological disjoint, manifesting itself in an unquenchable hunger that drives us to feed it and to find final satiation.
Perhaps it is the resonating vibrations of gyrating superstrings, trying to find a single unified tune, or some kind of particle recollection which we feel in our inner being as an absence of ease.
It is what makes us ambitious and unsatisfied, restless and ingenious, curious and imaginative. It is what forces us to seek out a relief from our unyielding suffering, to forget it in a moment of pleasurable release, to find emancipation from our contradictory becoming.

But what matters this in the here and now?
The practical dominates human thought and the ephemeral physical concerns overshadow eternal metaphysical ones.

In our search for extension we try to dominate and incorporate or we try to surrender and participate, in accordance with our psychological states, our character and our nature.
Our thoughts are guided by that, before mentioned, need for expansion, for escaping our boundaries, and for bridging the rift.
And it is this desire that determines our interactions, our social needs and our psychological requirements.
We want to belong.

We attach to one another, not because of some personal choice but because of a primal necessity that was decided for us long ago, and a compulsory interdependence that slowly became permanent through generations of association.

It is survival that concludes in congregation, as a preliminary step towards expansion, and this gathering forces some individual sacrifices and strategic considerations.
One such consideration is the need to make ones self not only essential but also attractive and likeable to as many of the social unity’s parts as possible.

Becoming productive to the whole is as crucial as becoming agreeable to it.
It is what lies at the core of what we call the Golden Rule or Karma.

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In the continuing debate over what shapes human beings i, [/i]our modern, rationalistic world, and popular opinion as a consequence, seems to be showing a distinct partiality towards nurturing as a decisive factor, for obvious romantic, political and self-serving reasons. Nature is relegated to the role of explaining mere cosmetic diversity, such as coloration, form and size, as a way of diminishing the importance of its function, or it is blamed for destructive mutations, such as crippling malformations and physical/mental retardations, as a way of insulting it, repaying its apathy towards human suffering and justifying reason’s failings.
We are to believe, if we adhere to popular sentiment, that biology only determines our physical parameters while our intellect, psychology and overall potential, as living entities, are mainly determined by environmental conditions and the memes – to use Dawkin’s term - that shape human civilization.

Criminal behaviour is thusly blamed on dysfunctional family units or mental illnesses. Natural violent tendencies, killer instincts and innate rebelliousness are ignored or minimized and the beast within is caged behind the bars of rationalism.

Racism and all forms of intolerance are explained as a product of ignorance with no biological roots and with no factual anchors. Education will save us from our nature and reinterpret our selfish genes into selfless memes, the mind will be trained and tied so our past can no longer well up from the depths and drown the present with the awareness of its own pretence.

Gender identity simply becomes a product of social engineering and cultural authoritarianism, as feminism and the equalitarian ethos it sprung from demands, with no basis in natural selection and no relevance besides some obvious physical differences.
Nature is there only to explain the existence of aesthetic sexual diversity and denied relevance in the clarification of gender psychology, ability and intellect.

Everything that reminds us of genetic determinism and hints at reason’s limits is wiped away through indoctrination and training. Reason places itself as a monopolizing factor in all things human.

Genetic direction is denied significant participation in the formation of identity and its potential, and a clear effort is made to explain every form of diversity, pertaining to the intellect, from racial to sexual, as being directly related to immediate environmental influences rather than historical, gradual ones. Reason is placed beyond genetic reach, in this way.
Inheritance is then diminished as a relevant influence, - except when it leads to debilitating and obvious hereditary diseases and mutations or when it cannot be rationalized away using contemporary knowledge. All aberration is explained as a consequence of immediate environmental effects that can be altered, diverted, corrected and controlled, by the human mind, to achieve the desired results.

Reason then becomes master of its own reality and our culture becomes a rational one, where all “ailments” are curable and all mysteries are knowable and all errors are correctable.
Perspectivism wasn’t meant to eradicate absolute “truth”, it was meant to describe man’s inability to perceive it, making its existence or non-existence a moot point. But in the modern desire to save free-will from determinism, it is now used to level all opinions, concerning it, into a muck of equal relevance and used to destroy all remnants of natural power balances and concepts of superiority and inferiority value judgments, so as to replace them with new ones.
Annihilate the concepts of “reality” and “truth” in the human mind, as they have been determined by nature’s programmes, and you can then substitute them with “realities” and “truths” originating in human imagination and determined by how many you can infect with your dogma or indoctrinate into your “facts”.
In the struggle to emancipate the self, nature becomes the first prison to break out from and reason casts itself as the great redeemer, the wings upon which the human spirit will transcend itself and return to its origin, as the very definition of self.

Here is where we witness the systemic confrontation between the natural world order
{the system that birthed us} and civilization, the rational world order {the system(s) we birthed ourselves as a continuance of the previous one} and where the lines between Nature’s gene and Dawkin’s meme are being laid down as a challenge to us all.
Here is where we see the opening salvos in the clash between pre-existing (natural) environments and manmade (artificial) ones, and how the latter are now attempting to replace or minimize or divert the effects and dominance of the former in the formation of human kind and our future.
Memes struggle to curtail genetic predetermination and bring human existence under the auspices of rational idealism.
Nature’s model, if the mind has its way, shall no longer dominate human behaviour, and memetic motives shall, from now on, replace genetic determination with their own idealized concepts, shaped through rational imperatives and the intellect’s desire to control its own realm. Man’s behaviour will be guided by logic and reasoned analysis, rather than by reactive instinct and emotional inebriation, and all will be well with the world. Reason shall peer into the darkness and light it with its understanding, find order in the muddled universe, explain and control every force it becomes aware of and harness the cosmos to its power of comprehension.

There is a clear reason for this modern day cultural bias, and this conflict in general, and it stems from the fundamental need for the mind to preserve the idea of self-determination, as part of its self-realization, and make it possible for the intellect to intervene, as a universal healing force, which will correct nature’s flaws and bring order and justice, to a chaotic, indifferent universe.
{Whether this transcendental role is justified or a figment of the imagination and a product of fear are not matters that will be dealt with here.}

In this quagmire of evolutionary mutation, which creates conflicting human drives and interests, individuality is shaped and the sense of self is established.

The one natural constant is the undeniable social character of humankind.
It is ingrained in our D.N.A.
Our sense of self is only possible through the existence of another, through which we perceive our self reflected back at us and we establish our limitations and our character.

A connection to another is as essential to our well-being as food or water is. Millennia of evolution have solidified this requirement.
Maybe it is part of some natural physical phenomenon where unstable particles seek to unify with others, just like them, in search for some form of constancy, or maybe it is a reaction against growing universal entropy or maybe, as many well wishers want to believe, it is part of a transcending Love Force trying to save us from ourselves. Whatever the case may be, we can see this social need behind every human action and every human thought.

We bond with one another into larger groupings, sometimes as small as a gang, a family, a tribe or a cultural sub-grouping and sometimes as large as a nation state, a cultural tradition or an ideological dogma, and we associate our distinctiveness with these larger entities.
We even attempt to lose our selves in them, to the point where the association, sometimes, becomes so strong that it makes it possible for an individual to sacrifice life and profit for the group’s or the other’s survival.

How uniqueness is broken down through group dynamics, to enable collective cohesion and self-sacrifice, is something I personally became aware of first-hand in army boot-camp. It is where I was given that duffle-bag, I mentioned in the beginning.

I can now understand how selfishness can be extended to include a larger identity of self and why many people find solace in referring to it as selflessness.
The connection between self and action sometimes become abstracted through this extension of personal identity. Many believe they are being selfless because their interpretation of their actions, and the motives behind them, do not have a direct, perceptible, link with self, and because their knowledge of who and what they are is incomplete or warped by moralistic mythology and/or egotism.
They have now, subconsciously, associated self with a larger whole, on whose behalf they act and whose interests, values and ethos they have adopted as their own and share in. All of their judgments are now influenced by communal norms.

Social unities can become so powerfully cohesive that, in time, this need for extension, for a release from self, results in the individual losing his immediate sense of uniqueness and with him replacing it with an annexed self, which now includes multiple participants, of which he is but a part of.
This loss of autonomy is felt as an unburdening from personal responsibility and the weight of free-will which, as Sartre claimed, terrifies man to no end.
Then the sense of self is acquired from the group itself and our sense of self-worth and identity can only be found within the larger entities common principles and how they reflect upon us. We relieve ourselves from existence by sharing it.

We experience this loss as a partial return to the greater Self, as it is connected to a larger identity that protects us from the ravages of the unknown and the indifference of a universe we feel so tiny in relation to, and it offers us the illusion of immortality through the promise of posterity.

But this connection to a collective is tentative, at best.
The character and sense of individuality of every participant – and I dare say their sex - determines to what extent they will bond to any group or to any one person. It will determine the size of the group they are willing to bond with and it will also determine the relationship between the individual and the collective; if it will be confrontational, defiant and domineering or if it will be submissive, accepting and peaceable.
The more established the character the more resistant it will be to assimilation. The stronger the Will behind it, the less submissive to the collective it will be. The larger the ego the less pliable and stretchable it is and the more protective of its original self-cohesion it will be.
No surprise then to find extreme expressions of individual identity within the young, still throbbing with the energies of becoming, while the old, the sick and the weak find comfort in conformity.
This is where the differentiation between psychological health and psychological illness can be culturally established, requiring the appropriate labels, treatments and reprisals.
Due to this, we can understand why ego and pride have been so demonized in our modern world, while humility has been sanctified and raised into a virtue.
Ego and pride are examples of resistance to the cohesive drive and so must be curtailed through slander, by a system that benefits from complete discipline to its authority, or they must be punished for their indiscretions and held up as examples to be avoided.
Perhaps this individual opposition is a remnant of some primitiveness that has not completely been evolved out of us yet, and that now resists the replacement of one identity with another.

In the wild animals established and maintain connections through grooming rituals, after power balances have been instituted and after individual roles have been relegated.
Each member of the group knows its place and only challenges the status quo when opportunities arise through power imbalances or when new relationships need to be realigned.
The way in which each member attaches himself to the whole is by creating connections to its parts. The more malleable ones persona is, the more likable and attractive he/she becomes to as many of the participating members, determines his/her place within it and the extent of their assimilation and contentment.
So it becomes obvious that the more able one is to adapt to the other’s particular character traits and the more one is able to repress the parts in himself/herself which might make him/her less amiable to the other(s), the more opportunity he/she will have to connect with many more members of a group and be accepted within their midst.
This, in turn, will determine their survivability and future safety and well-being.

In human interactions language has replaced the physical grooming mechanism as a more efficient form of bonding that can accomplish the same results with more efficiency over greater distances. But the same concerns and the same strategies that govern our wild brethren apply to humans as well.
Our actions and our linguistic expressions of self become symbolic projections of inner character, even if it is often purposefully ambiguous and incomplete.

To become likable to as many different individuals as possible is a tricky affair.
It not only requires a willingness to defer to the other’s personality to the right degree but it also requires a talent to perceive it accurately, adapt to it precisely and maintain the illusion of consistency in relation to it.

A further consideration is the necessity of not making it too obvious so as to expose it as faked or forced. The façade of total openness must be nurtured, thusly making the natural inhibitions and anxieties involved in connecting, to a foreign, unknowable entity, less relevant and, in this way, eliminate the normal fear associated with proximity.
The best way to achieve this consistency and illusion of frankness is when the actor himself/herself becomes convinced of his/her own performance or plays the part for so long as to be unable to distinguish their core self from their social self.
The inner child is dressed up with adult uniforms, makeup and is adorned and groomed into “maturity”.

Hypocrisy and pretence are often maligned by those wishing to preserve this romantic ideal of purity and authenticity, but they are both an indispensable element in any human relationship.
Nature is full of examples of duplicity and deception. A bird’s song is no less pretentious and a cat’s raised hairs no less a form of fakery.
Flirtation is, itself, a form of misleading sexual negotiation, where both sides prance and fawn and pretend, while they test and prod, offer and demand, sell and buy, trying to get the best deal for the least cost.

It is this need to preserve the illusion of authenticity and openness that lies behind the piece of popular sophistry, often heard on television talk-shows, written in self-help books and advice articles or overheard in conversations:
“Just be your self.”
We hear it echoed everywhere as a type of embedded wisdom which requires no further analysis.
But to what extent one can be “one’s self” is determined firstly by the extent to which one knows what that self is, secondly by how much of that self is constructed through social engineering and thirdly by how much one’s true self is acceptable to the sensitivities of a community.

We can imagine knowing Jeffrey Dahmer, before his public exposure, and offering him this same piece of advice when he comes to us distraught over what he wants to do:

“Just be yourself Jeffrey, dear.”, or perhaps offering this piece of advice to Hitler when he tells us of his plans for world domination and genocide:
“Be yourself, Adolph, and you can’t go wrong.”

In fact the advice rests on the hopeful assumption that the other will not insult, disgust or hurt us. That it is, in general, what we perceive it to be and nothing more. That it is just like we perceive ourselves to be.
The advice is a manifestation of the presumptuous belief that nature has been completely subjugated and no longer diverts the powers of reason, that the other’s “true-self” resembles the perception of our own and that nothing in it will be harmful or insulting to us personally.
In other words, that it is contained within the rules that govern our collective consciousness.

I often wonder how understanding and compassionate we would all be if we could somehow glimpse inside the mind of the everyday man, the seemingly average, domesticated Joe, going about his business, paying his taxes, following the laws, being courteous and contributing to society in his own humble way.
I often wonder what we would see inside the “pious” mind of the faithful, praying in Church every Sunday and helping the needy on their days off.
I often wonder how complete disclosure would affect our ideas about intimacy and authenticity and how tolerant we would then be.

But the “Be yourself.” advice has some practical wisdom attached to it.
The desire to maintain the façade of authenticity, consistency play’s the part of “truth”.
One cannot reinvent himself at every meeting or recreate his/her personality in accordance to the other continuously. Larger unities force multiple observers over our behaviours, which, in turn, force the need for a steady persona, as it is established through multiple inter-relations, aesthetic prejudices and idealized goals, and which preserve the image of reality.

Here we can see the foundations of civility and politeness.
They are both ideals based on a set of common rules, recognized through centuries of socialization, which promise to reduce the natural discomforts of individual relationships.
Social graciousness in any group is the common denominator of any interpersonal relation and a form of practiced association defined by greeting and parting rituals or by general policies concerning etiquette and decency, meant to lessen the anxieties of being social.
Being courteous is another way of being disingenuous because it always entails some form of repression and imitation that does not fully express individuality - unless it is in a watered down, socially acceptable form.

The first thing that happens with every new assembly is an automatic sizing-up of the other(s), followed by a search for the other’s preferences, qualities and boundaries, once an initial physical attraction/ repulsion or a social/economic affiliation has been established.
The second thing that happens is a muted power struggle, where balances are established through symbolic body movements, and subtle linguistic cues - maybe, sometimes, through more obvious means – and after we have assessed the other’s boundaries, qualities, strengths and weaknesses - all this, most often, on a subconscious level and within culturally allowable parameters.
We adapt our persona to the other’s sensitivities – if we desire to make a connection - and we censor our words and actions, as much as possible and in accordance with our evaluations of the other’s personality, status, feedback and communal role.
We no more make sexual jokes in the presence of clergy than we express confrontational convictions in the presence of our boss.

This creates a connection with definable restrictions which determine all further relations, from here on in, with this same individual and is affected by all the intermediary and interconnected side-relationships within the extended group. In time, as comfort levels rise or as they fall, these restrictions might be readjusted. But even in the most comfortable, long-term relationships, there is always an element of restriction and confidentiality.

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No human relationship can ever survive total disclosure for long.
There will always be an element of the other’s “honesty” that grates at our soul and blemishes our tolerance of them.
No matter how minute an offence might be, it taints the entirety and cannot be ignored for long.
Just like a fly in our milk: The pallid liquid becomes the background for that speck of vile darkness, we cannot avoid focusing upon, until the whole glass becomes distasteful; a contrasting difference making the apparent cleanliness of the whole doubtful.

In time personal “reality” is inevitably unravelled through subtle hints and unfortunate situations, until finally our folly is revealed, and our revised interpretation, or clearer understanding, of the other and of our unknown self, fills us with a sense of disillusionment and loss.
Chemical reactions are, inevitably, washed from our system and emotion releases its grip from our brain. We then become painfully aware of our past recklessness and delusion or we explain them away as being a consequence of the other’s many faults; time erodes away the masks, and the other’s flaws become reminders of our own, the other’s pretence serves to expose ours and the mystery of the other rekindles a subconscious awareness of our total seclusion behind our skulls and it fills us with that old fear for the unknown.
Nature, then, whispers in our cultured ear and our relentless instincts shame the intellect with their overriding last word.

The entire social fabric is woven with the strings of deceptive courteousness - social graces covering the vastness of suppressed personality and repressed nature.

Civilization is built on the foundations of bullshit.
Bullshit isn’t just some topic a philosophy professor can write an essay about, as if it’s an exception to an ethical rule that soils our general purity and something only the few ignoble are guilty of, as opposed to some imagined ideal man. Nor is it some vice that requires virtuous intervention to right its wrong.
Bullshit is simply a social strategy, nothing more, nothing less.
It is, in fact, what makes communal living and human interaction possible; a social lubricant that enables two dissimilar entities to work together with as little friction as possible.

Everything from a casual greeting to a leader provoking a nation into war is fraught with untruthfulness.
Everything from a marketing ploy to sexual seduction is fraught with dishonesty.
A friend, choosing his words carefully as to not hurt us, is just as guilty of deception as a grifter is, doing the same thing to hurt us.
The outcome might appear different on the surface and the degrees may vary, but the underlying, self-serving motives and psychological insecurities involved are alike.
We are being just as hypocritical when we watch our tone of voice or when we insinuate agreement through silence - when inside we are really ranting and raving or laughing or cursing or feeling indifferent - as when we go out of our way to mislead.
Even our “honest” expressions of personal opinion, expressed from time to time at our own risk, are mostly pulled punches, purposefully ambiguous, censored judgments and/or probing events meant to partially vent suppressed views and repressed emotions without completely revealing them and facing the consequences.

I, personally, have gotten into much more trouble speaking my mind freely, than I ever have by uttering a single lie or expressing a single disingenuous opinion.
The proverb “Honesty is the best policy.” is just another preserving myth.
In fact “Honesty is the worse policy.” if immediate personal interests are at stake, and only the “best policy” for the other that wishes to protect himself/herself from our private mind and our hidden motives.

Every man, through history, that has dared to expose human folly has become the favourite target for collective ridicule and attack.
His “honesty” wasn’t refreshing nor was it appreciated. It was interpreted as a sign of bad intention, which purposefully ignored convention and revealed the fragility of social power balances.
He was then degraded, insulted slandered and laughed at, for having the audacity to challenge our collective values.
His opinions dissected in search for advantage, under the prejudice belief that any mind that holds an opinion contrary to an acceptable norm must acquire some direct benefit from it.
A prejudice that serves to expose our own self-interested perspectives, we enjoy projecting onto others, because they dominate our surroundings.

We rarely question the integrity, nor the sanity of the one that echoes our beliefs or our emotions or our rationality back at us, making us feel that we are on the right path and living the best possible life or that our own pretence is, in fact our genuine self and not some social façade we wear to achieve a more unproblematic integration within the group.
But we often question their integrity and sanity when the other offends our conventions and makes us uncertain about our investments and attitudes or when the other hints at our own duplicity and hidden self.
We despise them for it. We despise them for challenging our connections to a whole we wish to disappear within or for merely making us doubt and rethink our positions.

And what can one be, if they are indifferent to our hatred or to our collective wrath, if they are not ill or a product of dysfunction?
Do they not test the very notion of health and normalcy altogether?
Haven’t all monsters, through time, been guilty of challenging our shared judgments?

Manson, Dahmer, Bundy or any infamous or anonymous criminal in our prison, is considered ill, not because of what they did or thought, so much, but because they could not bring their passions under reason’s control sufficiently enough to make them consider the consequences of confronting the collective; because they were, perhaps, indifferent to our opinions of them or to the image they projected against our combined judgment; because they didn’t care about what we thought of them and showed no inhibitions in expressing those “inappropriate” sides of themselves; because their indoctrination into our value systems didn’t stick and they could not be tamed; because they dared to be themselves unequivocally and with the full glory of their inherited nature, mostly revealing itself through sexual divergence and violence, the twin pinnacles of suppressed natural tendencies.
Ares and Aphrodite, blush.

The criminal’s divergence from the norm makes them unpredictable to us and this makes them dangerous; it makes them “monsters” that must be re-harmonized and re-educated back into the fold.
We prefer the predictability of conformity and imitation.
The civilized man should be a reflection of his neighbour, speaking the words he was taught, wearing the facades we wear ourselves, acting in the same ways as we do, being ambitious in the same arenas we are, dreaming the same dreams, eating the same foods, owning the same stuff, fucking in the same manner.
The civilized man should be a defender of the status quo, a conservative force, a repairer of the pretentious fabric that envelopes us all with its calming grace and soothing safety.
Mega-cities, super-organisms can, in this way, become functional entities.
Nation states become reality. Globalization becomes plausible.
And the mind attains that state of release into the whole, losing the uncomfortable self in the conglomeration and unloading its fears and anxieties unto the communal shoulders of unity.

This need for hypocrisy isn’t a matter of personal choice; it is a matter of survival, forced upon us through the environment as it is shaped by systemic control.
Human existence is no longer dependant on adapting to natural environments but now it is dependant on adapting to artificial, man-made ones.

Being acceptable and tolerable to the greater whole makes some form of insincerity crucial and it makes reason’s control over natural drives essential.
Tell someone what he likes to believe is true and he/she will love you, tell them something that confronts their perspective of reality and you set yourself up to be ostracized and excluded like a cancerous cell.

Of course all opinions are accompanied with scepticism and the acknowledgment that there are always exceptions to every rule. :laughing:

The cleverest response should be:

What a pile of bullshit!!! :wink:

Thanks you.

Good essay man.

Reminds me of the old saying, we live behind the mask of rationality for so long that we forget what we look like underneath.

About the average Joe, doing free work for a charity: I do believe that Altruism exists, in the sense that it is an extended form of self interest. By making connections and empathizing with people, we can see them as a form of ourselves, and therefore have the desire to help this extension of ourselves. Who we help depends on how we make this connection, we may have the same color of skin, we may do some of the same gestures, we may of gone to the same college. Then, there is a much broader way to make connections in which the person makes connections with all other humans, and therefore wants to help all other humans. Also, there is value Altruism, in which a person executes an action simply because it is it’s values to do so. Then there is simply performing something out of the hope that someone will return the favor, not per se the person you gave to.

Finally, Altruism in some cases can make the helper feel superior, and possibly create a victim mentality in the receiver (or desire to pay back a favor), because there are psychological strings attached to a gift. With these connections the person can feel like they are bettering themselves, even though they are not in fact helping themselves. Even though we can call this self interest, it still helps others.

I think that we need something to work towards, a sort of goal so that we can band together with. A sort of common goal, a problem that effects us all that we all can fight/ But it doesn’t have to actually be to serious or life threatening that we need to ‘kill it’. Thinking deeper on it, Altruism is probably part of human nature, but needs a ‘goal’ to set it off, to begin cooperation. Until people have a common goal that effects them all, and until we can start recognizing our connections with one another, a cooperating society may not be possible.

My Blog: philosophyandsatire.blogspot.com/

General Patton

The way you describe altruism here goes against popular opinion.
You describe altruism as being selfishly motivated, which contradicts the common definitions of what it is.

I personally do not believe altruism exists, but that it is a social myth meant to facilitate cohesion and to enforce discipline to certain modes of behaviour.
I see any example of compassion or kindness as being either indirectly or directly self-serving and/or necessary.

But that does not take away from the importance of the experience.
If I show compassion or kindness or love towards someone who shares in my interests and fights along side me for our common desires, then this makes it no less significant or fulfilling.

My rational mind can deconstruct a phenomenon while my instinctive mind can enjoy it.

Satyr,

Thank you for this effort. It was well put together and I can agree with much and disagree with a little…

As to a clever response, I haven’t any. But I would offer that the only honest response we could possibly make as to our existence is, “I don’t know.”

JT

tentative
Yet how many have the courage to admit it?

So here we are speaking about perspectives – another way of excusing our inability to comprehend or to find all-encompassing patterns – debating over who comprehends another famous person’s opinions more fully and claiming authority through association.

No different than Christians debating on who has interpreted Biblical passages more precisely or who speaks the words, in the mind of God, more accurately. For them any display of Biblical knowledge, any ability to quote verbatim from scripture or any skill in connecting the Bible’s ‘truth’ with another source that supports and elevates it, constitutes your respectability and determines your authority and “leadership” in their eyes.

Here we are referencing authority sources, becoming figureheads for another’s perspective, pretending we are thinking when we are reciting and gaining egotistical delight by how many we can convince of our own pretence; a popularity contest based on cultural forces, modern sensibilities and self-interest.

“Truth” isn’t found it is constructed by convincing enough minds about its veracity.
Our own value and worth determined by how well we play the part and upon what past and present authority we rest our rhetoric.

Hi Satyr,

Absolutely and absolutely. But if you dare be truthful, they will kill you. Not because you’re wrong, but because they hate your telling them. I don’t know that there is an adequate answer. As muddled as I am, I’ve tried not to hide my intentions of at least trying to be honest, even though honesty is as subjective as anything else we can say… But that isn’t seen as a strength, but a weakness, and I enjoy the privilege of getting my ass kicked on a routine basis.

Perhaps we need a 12-step program for philosophers…

Hello, my name is tentative, and I’m a muddled philosopher, addicted to explanations that take me nowhere but back to the beginning… I don’t know.

Nah, it would never work. Too many egos. Too much ego.

JT

tentative

I know what you mean. :sunglasses:

This brings up an interesting topic.

How and why do certain ideas take hold, as opposed to others?

To me the success of a theory or perspective or ideology is more dependant on finding the appropriate fertile ground to nurture it and has less to do with its arguments and reasoning.
Logic itself is an agreement upon reality, based on experiences and repetitive predictability – a communal illusion of sensual interpretations.
We can find all kinds of sources to support every kind of hypothesis, so why do certain ideas flourish during certain historical time periods while others hibernate awaiting their time or never manage to take hold?

For example: Why did Jesus’ message resonate with the populace during that time-period and in that geographical area, when the ideas expressed had been around and were anything but new?
Why did Communism appear as a force after industrialization and not before and why did it fail even when it was expressing Christian morality and common sense, compassionate economics?
Why did Nietzsche’s rediscovery of Hellenism resonate, and still does, amongst the young and rebellious and is still so powerful during this post-modern time?

Ideas are rarely new. They evolve and alter in time, but they are always mutations or combinations of previous ones. We repeat ideas incessantly, each adding his own twist with his own style and making slight alterations in the process. That’s how ideas evolve.
Jesus’ message flourished due to population pressures and political reasons, finding fertile ground in a suffering populace, lacking hope, and needing an escape.
Communism, similarly, gained power during a time of disillusionment with where instinctive Capitalism was taking mankind and failed for the very same reasons.

The success of an idea is more a product of politics than reason and more a result of historical, psychological factors than strength of argument.
Furthermore an idea must offer something to the mind that adopts it as ‘true’. It must preserve the element of hope - a reason why Nihilism never caught on and never will, except amongst a select few with particular mental qualities and personality traits.

Every experience and ‘fact’ can be spun into supporting a multitude of perspectives.

We can see, even in this forum, how ideas with the necessary cultural elements of altruism and tolerance – so very popular these days for obvious reasons - are accepted with little resistance and even less scepticism.
Those able to present reasons for maintaining belief in what suits us are exalted as heroes and leaders, their authority gained through their ability to sooth and to reference sources that offer relief and hope and that are mutually accepted as dependable and culturally established as reliable- their power becomes institutional and created by their attractive potential during a specific eras circumstances.

Truth is, every hypothesis can be deconstructed until its errors and fallacies become obvious and where its blind faith begins.
A truth’s probability becomes a possibility when it is accepted or it indoctrinates enough converts to it; attracting followers through its promise, manipulating their psychology as it has been shaped by environmental factors and also through its style of expression or by having been already established as an institutional power.

Much has been said here about hypocrisy and hypocrites in this forum, by the same people that are themselves no more or less than just that.
We all selectively represent ourselves and our viewpoints become pure and honest and superior by how they adhere to political and cultural environments and by how they flatter us personally or offer us hope and expectation.
We all try to live up to our own ideals, always failing to do so, and struggle to practice what we preach.

Yet, certain individuals have bought into their own pretence and have started believing that the façade they’ve convinced others of, is actually who and what they are and that simply reciting ideas and connecting them to institutional powers or referencing sources means they have found a truth.

For me the quality of an idea is measured by its results, by the type of man it creates when infecting his mind.
Nothing else.

Satyr asks:

I guess I’d start with the whys. There is no way to generate a word, a concept, an understanding, without creating its opposite. The more strongly an idea expresses itself, the more visible its opposite. As you observed, there aren’t any really “new” ideas, just those that come into heightened awareness. While there is never conclusive proof, one can look to social, political, environmental pressures that swing the pendulum wide in either a positive or negative direction and from that get an inkling of why a particular idea has become a focal point. All extreme swings invite their extreme opposites. Ideas become relevent conditionally, not because they are new or particularly profound.

One could easily deduce that the ideas brought by Jesus of Nazareth were a culmination of stagnant religious laws, and the pressures od Roman occupation. Had he brought his ideas forward say, a hundred years earlier, he might have received no attention whatsoever.
Even a quick social or political analysis can usually explain the why an idea ‘sticks’.

The hows of an idea is far more complex because of the possible variables. It make’s you wonder why some really excellent idea never seem to reach a level of social consciousness, and I would venture that it is similar to the same vagaries as personal awareness. There is so much that depends on the structure and timing of an idea that it finally goes beyond any detailed understanding, or at least MY understanding. :wink:

Our ideas do change how we see and function, but the process seems to occur randomly. I can never explain why I was so stupid yesterday or why I am so brilliant today. Unfortunately, the brilliance fades quickly while the stupidity hangs on and on… :blush:

More importantly, ideas seem to need a ‘gestation’ period. They seem to appear as AHA! experience, but it may be that the seeds of that idea have been there and have simply waited for the right combination of events to ‘pop’ into view.

JT

A follow up: Why ideas in the first place? As a living organism I will seek out whatever sustains life as the need arises. I don’t need ideas. And yet…

I would suggest that the need for ideas comes from simply being afraid of the dark. A self created dark, but the impetus behind all of our explanations. Look around you, are we not just whistling in the dark? Words, elegant theories of meaning, philosophic musings piled so high they reach beyond our ability to see…

Only a few times in human history has a human left the darkness, stood in the light, and asked us to join them. We take this wonderful truly novel idea or understanding, and from it weave a quilt to protect us from the dark. Some weave wondefully complex quilts, others are but tatters patched together, but we never leave the darkness…

JT

Congratulations Satyr on a sincere thought provoking essay. I had to laugh when I read your closing sentence:

It was the same as my signature. :slight_smile:

I have to digest this gradually. We agree on the great majority of it and I’d be curious to your reactions to certain questions. To begin with you wrote:

I have come to realize that there is no real separation between science and the essence of religion. In the entire context of existence, science makes horizontal sense and measures what occurs between before and after. The essence of religion measures higher and lower in terms of vertical existence. Where science measures in time, the essence of religion concerning qualitative consciousness in respect to higher and lower is a personal verification within the quality of the moment itself or “now.”

From this perspective it seems reasonable to suspect that Man has purpose that goes beyond life as we know it. But, as you’ve implied, we don’t know what this becoming content with “rational” explanations is leaving us with the perpetual “What the hell am I doing here.” Though we can explain it in terms of life’s demands, the larger question of the purpose of human existence remains something we avoid.

Do you believe that Man has a purpose other than just what it is assumed to be on earth? If so, is it connected to something higher than life on earth and can only be achieved through our individuality?

Consider the following excerpt. It seems a minority does question purpose. Do you believe the question is worthwhile?

Nick_A

No it is not “reasonable” to assume such a thing.
It is more reasonable to assume no purpose exists besides the circular purpose of life perpetuating life.

Beyond this simple purpose man is free to choose to create another purpose.

Here is where memetic conflict occurs, if I am allowed to use Dawkin’s term.
The entire struggle between political and ideological perspectives is this fight over which purpose will become mankind’s.

The question of ‘What the hell am I doing here?’ can be answered with: ‘I am here to grow, procreate, and die.’ And there is no purpose besides this.
But for most this is not enough.

So a “higher” purpose is sought.
For most it is a spiritual journey into grander myths and creativity. For others it is a descent into despair and nihilisms, with its liberating rewards.

Philosophical debate and religious faith is about this exact question.
But purpose is for man to create. To think otherwise is to believe in fate and to surrender to determinism.
If there is any hope for free-will then it is in answering this question or accepting the responsibility of finding purpose where none might exist.

Not only do I think it is “worthwhile” but I think it is in answering this question, or just posing it, that a human being differentiate himself from animals and from human-like animals.

If we are to accept as our purpose the one that created us then we surrender to fate and become tools for a purpose we did not choose.
The question isn’t if another purpose must be found, but what this purpose will be.

tentative

Was it not in this singular enlightenment that man faced his greatest horror and found his most miserable ennui?

Personal variables but also environmental conditions.
An idea detrimental to the majority will find few welcoming minds.
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Satyr

You’ve written very well about how society is built on dishonesty and I agree completely. This is why all this talk on world peace and the like is naive IMO because it assumes a capacity and desire for honesty that doesn’t exist.

You’ve also touched on the fact that we also live lies. We agree that another purpose is worth searching for and the question is what it will be.

However, if we live in a dream and find it acceptable from lying to ourselves, it would seem that in discovering true purpose, we have to acquire the capacity for inner sincerity. I don’t mean being sincere with others but the ability to be sincere with ourselves. We are so used to living in the psychological states of inner lies that we no longer notice it. Your “Know Thyself” requires a brutal impartial sincerity with ourselves that we don’t have but must be acquired to really value an objective purpose. Even worse, our habitual self created partially through these lies struggles against this awareness.

You say that the question is what the purpose should be. But how do we decide and work towards it if we live in dishonesty? Human purpose I believe is based on reality and if so, how can it be understood and acted upon beyond intellectualization through lies and their resultant imagination?

So for me the question becomes how I can grow to feel purpose free of the inhibitions of preconceptions that deny the ability to “know Thyself.”

Hi Satyr,

I can intellectually understand the question, but it just doesn’t feel right. [size=75](How’s that for a philosophical statement?)[/size] IMO, it seems far more likely that what man faced was his freedom and rather than accept responsibility, fled back into the darkness. If there is purpose - and I question that as well, it is to both see and accept our freedom to be man, not as a man. Is it horror and miserableness? Is it sunshine and happiness? I suspect that it is both, and we’re free to see as we choose. From my observations, the universe is reasonably well ordered and processually cadenced. I find nothing to suggest that it is anything but neutral, and simply awaits us to supply meaning. I find it more palatable to see my cup half full. Is it nothing more than an illusion of wishful thinking? Perhaps. But the same is true of any other assignation of meaning, and so we end up staring ourselves in the face. I have no other answers. We may construct what we like - and we have, many times over.

It’s Friday and beer-thirty. Have a good weekend.

JT

Nick_A

I see this goal of “Knowing Thyself” as the only worthwhile goal to strive for in life.
This “inner sincerity”, you spoke of, is something I’ve been attracted to since childhood.
To see things, not as I want them to be, but as they are and then figure out a way, if possible, to adjust or compensate; to question everything, including my own beliefs….especially my own beliefs, and to test my perceptions against those of others as a way of eradicating error.

Now I’ve realized that this is harder than I first imagined. Most others are infected with common beliefs and shared perspectives, through cultural indoctrination and common instinctive influences, and so debating one is debating them all, plus it is difficult to totally detach from ones needs.
It is rare to find someone to offer a challenge beyond cultural beliefs and educational frameworks and beyond what it is inclined to believe in due to their nature.

This does not mean it is possible in any complete way to know yourself, it only means it is the only thing accessible to our mind in some way.
It is in this struggle to overcome fears, preferences, hopes, needs, prejudices, egos and interests that we discover more than just who we are. Through the discovery of self, to whatever degree this is possible and in whatever way ‘self’ is defined, the universe unfolds.

In essence philosophy is nothing more than the search for identity, for a definition of what it means to exist or to be {become} or as Campbell put it:
"The search for the experience of being alive.” {paraphrasing}.

Even the Other, interests us only as far as he/she/it identifies us and establishes a framework of boundaries which determine our self-awareness; how they mirror back to us what we are.

Solitude and pretext is the natural state of individuality, even amongst social beings- or should I say, especially amongst social beings.
It is this need to preserve sociability and save our access to the benefits of communal cooperation that most of the lies become essential. The complete self is covered up or contained by other selves and rules of engagement and inter-relation are established to preserve cohesion.
In time, as in the case with ants, the individual is remolded into a different being, to fit into a community.

Purpose is determined by personal preferences and by taking responsibility for self totally, or it is determined by community preferences as they are constructed through shared interests and moral laws.
The self is always defined by some external factor, whether it be nature or culture - gene or meme.
The question is: How does one rise above both or is this even desirable or possible?

The first step is to acknowledge hypocrisy in ones self and towards ones self. We live dishonestly towards one another, because we are dependant on each other, but this need not be the case towards our selves.
Here at least, in our mind, we can speak the truth of what we are and accept all that we can never know as being part of what we are.
If through our realization we discover that we can never escape bullshit then that should be something we acknowledge and admit, and if philosophy is the search for identity then it should attempt to speak honestly and with no reservations.

For many reality and freedom are intolerable and their survival and mental stability are reliant on some level of pretence. For them purpose is inherited and the burdens and terrors of freedom are forever inaccessible. They need a community of supportive elements to justify their meaning, literature to base their beliefs upon and the bullshit is simply the glue that holds it all together and so a necessity for their well-being. Their self-worth is determined by what others think of them and their purpose in found in relation to their need to be accepted and protected within a communal fold. It’s not that they play the part consciously to enjoy the benefits, we all do that on some level, but that they, in time, begin believing in the bullshit that benefits them.

Their opinions become the walls behind which their ego is defended and it is protected, life and limb. So debates or opinion exchanges become battles of survival when the opinion is crucial to the mind’s well-being or when the ego is threatened by another external force. Our opinions define our self and our self-worth.

But to be free is to detach from everything, including our concept of self as it is determined by instinctive needs and survival instincts, and then reattach anew using reason.

I believe becoming as indifferent as the universe seems to be, is the key.

I can see indifference as being the essence of confidence, for example, and how this relates to success.
It has been one of those moments of realization that opened my eyes to what indifference was and to its overall absurdity. It made me realize that the least I was concerned about something or the less I wanted something the more worthy I became of it, the more it became accessible to me.
Confidence is but an external representation of indifference due to alternate possibilities or disinterest.

In the arena of sexual relations, for instance, it is hilarious when one realizes that women are attracted to men that exude confidence, in other words in men that are the most indifferent towards them, since they have alternate sexual partners or are altogether unconcerned about sex or dislike them for some other reason. They want to belong to what they are the least worthy of and dismiss what exhibits too much desire towards them since it hints at it being the least worthy of them.

But that’s another topic that needs more clarification.

It cannot in any absolute way. But knowing this keeps the mind flexible, open and unrestricted by absolutes.

I would restate your sentence this way: “Human purpose, I believe, is based on an interpretation of reality and if so, how can it be understood and acted upon beyond intellectualization through lies and their resultant imagination?”

But not all “intellectualizations” or “imaginings” are in error. They are all attempts to approach transcendence through generalization and simplification. Imagination is important to abstraction and abstractions are important for strategy. There are just more precise and less precise abstractions.

When something cannot be seen directly it is perceived obliquely.
In the case of reality, the results of an idea or a perspective concerning it or an interpretation, exposes its qualities.
For example the type of mind, the type of man, an idea or ideal creates determines the qualities and value of that idea beyond its rhetoric and promise.
All ideas and ideals are attractive on paper, they all work hypothetically. It is when they are applied practically that their imperfections and limitations become apparent. Their imaginings rarely live up to their reality.
Want to know what Christianity is? Do not only read its theory or listen to its dogma, but evaluate the Christian man as he is constructed today by this ideal. Analyze the consequence and discover the essence of it in real-time.

Man is forced into a perspective but this perspective is always tested against an unknown, unknowable, perhaps fluctuating ‘reality’.

I believe in the cleansing qualities of despair.
It is on the edges of hopelessness when the mind has lost all that we touch upon freedom.

How can we be honest when there’s a conflict of interest between our rational mind’s search for understanding and purpose and our instinctive mind’s search for immortality and happiness?

Every mind that has honestly sought out enlightenment has inevitable faced nihilistic despair, as the side-effect of its unbinding from life’s determinations and of its disillusionment with all the lies. In the end of our intellectual pursuits we find nothing to rely upon, nothing to believe in completely and nothing to comfort and define us.
We feel lost.
That is freedom and the reason why it is so unattractive and terrifying. It is in that moment that the possibility for clarity is realized and even self becomes another insignificant phenomenon we are indifferent towards.
The mind rises above its role and its original purpose of arbitrator of need and facilitator of survival. It detaches and becomes pure thought.

Kazantzakis said: “I believe in nothing, I hope for nothing; I am free.”

It is through this loss of everything, including the desire to live, that free-will becomes apparent and we become worthy of everything.
Freedom doesn’t only include the will to live, for this is how instinct guides us and controls our Will, it also includes the will to die.
Freedom is unprejudiced choice.

This does not mean that we deny life altogether, but that now we have that choice and the added choice of selectively engaging life on our terms.

tentative

I believe this freedom was felt as despair. The mind desperately grappling to find something outside itself and finding nothing inevitably succumbs to its need and accepts any life-raft. It then spends its every moment and its every talent trying to defend it from the scrutiny of other minds; it creates ideals, ideologies and philosophies.

The fundamental requirement of every conscious mind is to remain a conscious mind. This is its narrow-mindedness.

Many have interpreted Nietzsche’s overman, for example, as a future man that paints over reality and re-labels life with more palatable words.
In my view the overman is a concept of some future man that Wills life, despite what it is, that is not through ignorance and denial but through awareness and acceptance.

The debate over Love on this Forum is telling.
Here the concept of Love is forced into definitions to save it from analysis and deconstruction, not to indulge in it despite what it is and being fully aware of its selfish roots but to mask it behind feel-good words and continue in the delusion of what it is supposed to be.

Another example is in how some have tried to ignore the underlying essence of life, as being a state of constant Need, interpreted by the mind as suffering, struggling to maintain itself against an indifferent and often hostile universe.
It is deemed noble to merely ignore what life is and reinterpret it and re-label it, as a means of coping with it - tolerance through ignorance.

In fact it is life’s suffering that makes tolerating it, to access its promise, such a noble endeavor. It is knowing what life is, accepting it and persisting despite of it, that makes it a challenge.
If life were pleasurable or if what defined an overman was simply his ability to delude himself, as many have suggested, then where would the challenge lie, where would the glory of living rest?

And we supply meaning in relation to our needs.
For instance our need to exist should make the universe quit a negative place since it is mostly hostile to life.
But if we become indifferent to existence it becomes just a phenomenon we interpret sensually and become simple observers of.

The universe’s neutrality can be thought of as its indifference towards us.
But we are not indifferent towards it, we are far too weak for that, and so we define it using our self-interests and preferences.
As living conscious beings {becomings} we are partial to life and consciousness and so prejudiced.
As such the universe is not to our liking.
We want to correct it.

I see here the origins of autopoiesis, as I understand it and not in reference to any book or theory by Varela/Maturana, which I’ve bought but have not read yet.
I use the word as purely a Greek term made up of auto {self} poio {create - construct}.
The organism encloses itself to define itself and creates an amicable, ordered environment against a hostile or indifferent one.
It creates itself, as the word implies, by secluding itself and then reattaching with others selectively.
Life is discrimination and defensive.

Satyr

It is hard to find where we would disagree. Right now I’d primarily like to emphasize my agreement. Like you I’ve also felt this question of inner sincerity in relation to “meaning.” For years I gave up on it accepting humor or delighting in the contradictions as at least partial compensation in a hopeless situation where I instinctively knew I was just going through the motions.

This is what I felt and what I know Jacob Needleman means in this excerpt from the preface of “Lost Christianity.”

What is the meaning beyond playing a role? Like you I agree with the effect of society on individuality. I’ve noticed how many people reject this individualism preferring instead to speak of world peace and “we are all one” without realizing human meaning is not found in society. You seem to have seen this also. I’m curious if you came upon this on your own or through this minority that seem to know these things and pass it on under the table so to speak in writings that are unconventional and fail to glorify egotism?

Anyhow, judging from what you’ve written on society and individuality, I think you’ll appreciate this article on Simone Weil’s observations on both society and solitude. You’ve written similar observations.

hermitary.com/solitude/weil.html

This is the essence of karma yoga but it can be taken wrongly. I’ll pass along another favorite excerpt of mine. Being indifferent doesn’t mean avoiding life to me. To the contrary it means gradually becoming able to participate in it without being attached to judgment.

I agree. The imaginations that concern me though are defensive fantasy that support the illusory self. Contemplation is healthy since it doesn’t defend one side or another but instead opens the mind. Escapism through imagination denies open-mindedness by refusing to look preferring instead self supporting rationalizations and flights of fantasy.

Do not only read its theory or listen to its dogma, but evaluate the Christian man as he is constructed today by this ideal. Analyze the consequence and discover the essence of it in real-time.

The trouble is that it is hard to find any Christians. Christendom has replaced it in public. Simone Weil was a Christian woman but it would be impossible to judge her by societal standards that would deny the essence of Christianity. You have to approach people like that as true individuals and beyond societal results.

You are one deep person. I’m familiar with these things from esoteric Christianity and the help from above that makes it possible. This hitting bottom so to speak is I believe the essential experience of the Cross. It is this time of surrender of self and remainingg present to it which, I agree, invites everything. Of course, easier said than done.

Nick_A

Humor has always been used to express culturally or socially inappropriate truths.

We can say anything if we mask it behind the guise of not meaning it, when in fact it is its t validity that makes it funny, it is its tragic truth that makes it absurd.

Thank you for introducing me to Weil. :slight_smile:

In fact, it is this indifference that makes a more profound engagement with life possible.

When we escape the premises of our becoming, as nature intended, and we break free from those premises can we ever hope to re-engage life selectively.

From my own experience, I find the detaching difficult enough, but what is even harder is the re-attaching.
When one observes life as objectively as is humanely possible and becomes aware of it, the tragic absurdity of it becomes a factor to overcome.

How does one dance when the sexual innuendo and the primordial symbolisms of dancing become apparent, when the animalistic primitive elements of it are known?
How does one lower one self then to its roots?
The easy answer: You inebriate yourself.

I would say that being a Christian, as it is defined by the dogma, is impossible for our species as it is.
It then seeks to alter the beast, to which it addresses its ideal to, so as to make the ideal possible.

Communism had the same problem.
It was speaking to a species that was incapable of its ideals.
The problem wasn’t capitalism or capitalists – they were the symptom – the problem was the nature of the beast and the rules of nature and reality themselves, which have enabled the beast to be.

And, of course, Jesus’ passions have been taken literally and not as metaphors for the greater human condition.
We are all on the cross - some of us just deny it or never become aware of it. Perhaps those last are the most fortunate of all.

Easier “said than done” indeed.

The nihilistic trap is difficult to escape from. The paths of contemplation merge into a common end, a precipice, a void.
Turning back and “forgetting” or accepting it is the difficult part.

Hi Satryr,

I suspect that we are simply looking at two sides of the same coin. It is true that much of what we know of the universe is hostile to the life forms in our biosphere, but it does not follow that this is then true for the universe at large. Even on our little speck of dust we find life in the most alien of environments. Bacterium thriving in frozen Antarctic ice; microbial life at the darkest depths of the ocean with nothing but sulphur from volcanic plumes to sustain them. While it could be false, it would appears that life is constantly finding ways to persist. We know so little of our universe, how can we be sure that the universe is hostile to life?

But more to the point, it is the perceived indifference or hostility that makes life precious. To be of life is a wonderous thing, and to be celebrated. Are we prejudiced and partial to life? Of course we are, and why not? But must we find the universe not to our liking? Why so? As part of the universe , I would have to not like that which is my living particular-ness.

The issue of autopoeisis can only function from a perspective of being outside of creation. It is outside looking in. Our being just is, it is not as being. If our perspective is as being, then discrimination and defensiveness may be correct. It would depend on our perspectival point of view.

JT

Simone Weil was truly an exceptional person. How many could be celebrated both by a pope and the Marxist party? I began several threads on her that never really went anywhere. Here is one that I believe would be natural for you considering the insights I’ve read on this thread. The rivertext site I give a link to explains a bit about Simone Weil and the "spirit"section is very revealing. Her take on Plato’s cave is very meaningful for those that naturally feel that there is something beyond the level of normal cultural life.

Anyhow, if you’d like to add something that would be great since I see you are a person of profound thought. If not, just enjoy the rivertext site that I post a link to on the second page of the intro which takes you to Plato’s Cave…

ilovephilosophy.com/phpbb/vi … p?t=145231