The Case of Jesus

I hope I’m not going to hell from this.

Both the Christian and Atheist translations of his texts are both base and vulgar. The main question we have to ask ourself is, did Jesus exist, and if so, were his miracle’s real? There seems to be two camps to this, the atheist camp which says that Jesus was wholly a fabrication, a myth, and the agnostic camp which claims that the Jesus character was verified by a couple of Roman historians, and according to Penn and Teller, there were a wide variety of Jesus-like magicians, performing miracles at that time. The main question we have to ask ourself is, were his miracles real? And if so, this opens up the possibility of aliens. All gods are aliens, there can be no God which is not an alien, if the God is the totality of the universe, but there is not something which is outside itself or seperate to the universe, where is the God? God might as well be called the universe itself, and not God. Human bodies are seperate to the universe because of their consciousness, so isn’t the consciousness of God seperate to the universe, or else the universe might as well be called God. The human body is also the consciousness of the universe, and also the will of God, is the consciousness of our Bodies, theirfore we are both our mind and body, God, Consciousness, and the Universe. But so isn’t there a seperate God to be called God, for God would be us alone if there was no God the Father, who is both us and not of us, alien, whereby all things which are not of this planet’s origin are alien, all other definitions superficial.

The writings of Jesus seem to exhibit a pattern similar to schizophrenics speech patterns. He seems heavily dependent on metaphor and unable to translate his teachings in a format undestandable to more simple minds. Heaven seems to be a metaphor for “nirvana” and hell seems to be a metaphor for the unbecoming of death, as their are frequent references to throwing lower life forms, like plants and birds, into the fires as a “chaff”. His process seems to be a culling, weeding out higher lifeforms from the lower lifeforms, similar to all processes of intelligent culling. The goal seems unclear, but seems similar to nirvana. He makes frequent references to unconscious processes, such as the birds autonomous ability to food gather, similar to my discussion with Mannequin about how automatic life is, and how birth is not a challenge. Jesus seems to be (poorly) trying to convey the concept of how life’s needs are only a function in a relation to it’s complexity, ie. a rock does not have needs, therefore it is not alive, a plant does not have that many needs because it is more so less complex than a human, therefore God (Nature’s divine spiritual providence) automatically fills it’s needs. His teachings seem to be implying something else though, that God and Nature are not unconscious, and actually spiritual processes that have their own ability of discernment. The word of God is meant as a metaphor to the music of life itself, life events, and qualia, “the grand plan.” He says “there is no pain you cannot endure” and “ask and ye shall receive”, alluding to the inherent good order of life, saying that “Even the wicked know how to give good gifts. If a man asks for a fish, does thou give him a rock?” The theme seems to be, good people can accomplish anything they can set their minds to, and that if anything bad happens to them, it is still a good thing, and part of the plan.

The goal seems to be an overturning of social norms, and accepting of good and bad as both beautiful, Ie. movieism, where tragedies are valued commodities, as part of the path to nirvana. Jesus is more profound than modern scholars give to him, and he is not the goodie two shoes archetype Erik would have us believe. His whole praxis seems to revolve around a social culling of those he deems to be evolutionarily backwards or barbaric. He holds exceptional disdain for the Jews and the Pharisee’s, because he views them as politicians (publicans) and the bane of society. He hates politicians (publicans) and Pharisees because they have too much authority, and are irrational minded and grounded in traditions. For example, according to Jewish law, one must wash one’s hands before eating, and it is also taboo to give medicine to anyone on the Sabbath. This bothers Jesus, because he views it as human idiocy, much like Kevin’s video about “Blind faith and human idiocy.” The Pharisees are the representation of this, individuals with absolute authority, who obey blind faith traditions without discernment otherwise.

Jesus says not one law should be overturned before the end of heaven and earth. Most scholars make the meaning of “the law books”, but since Jesus basically disobeyed every single Law of the Land and disobeyed rewrote what the customs where, this does not seem like he was referring to Jewish Law. Perhaps he was referring to “The Laws of Physics”, as they would continue until the end of “heaven and earth.” Perhaps when he said “Do not overturn one law” he was referring to future mad scientist who would do particle experiments trying to violate physics. If Jesus’s miracles were true then there is the possibilty he was of alien origin, and on his home planet similar things occurred. However, Jesus has inexplicably human qualities, and he is always referenced as “The Son of Man.” Therefore the more likely scenario was that he was human, a delusional schizophrenic, who was taken by aliens and communicated with the aliens, becoming a man filled with the “spirit of god” (aliens.) These aliens were more or less good, as opposed to the demons who are of the same metaspecies and ilk, able to fill a human with their essence, but having different ideals from the holy aliens. Therefore Jesus’ anger at “casting out demons through Belzebub?” (an alien sounding name.) His comeback is that demons and holy ones are diametrically opposed teams…“Why would Satan cast out which that was Satan?” (He put them there in the first place, and removing them would be stupid and why would he put them in the first place to remove them? )

Similar to schizophrenics, Jesus has a terrific inability of explaining his concepts, and he is excessively dependent on parables and metaphors. He almost feels compelled to use them, just to watch the spectacle of confusing his disciples. It is almost as if he is a troll, and get’s a kick out of the thing. He says to Peter, “Stay away from the bread of the Jews, for their leaven is impure.” Peter takes it to mean that Jesus is criticizing him because he forgot to pack bread on the trip. Frustrated, Jesus hits him with another vague statement. “Have I not multiplied bread by the thousands?” Eventually, begrudgingly, Jesus explains that Peter is simple minded, and that what he meant by the “impure leaven” is really not bread, but their teachings of the Jews, the Pharisees, the vipers, were impure. He has all the hallmarks of an Asperger’s person who intentionally confuses people, then gets frustrated when they cannot solve his riddles, ie. the Holmes and Watson dichotomy.

It is implied that Jesus cannot actually see the future, he is just good at reading people and situations. For instance, he upsets the authority figures in town, gets bad vibes, and then leaves before they can form against him. It does not seem like he has any superpowers, such as being able to teleport or see that far into the future. Whenever Satan challenges him to perform impossible feats, like jumping off a building, he cleverly refuses. It is unclear how he multiplied bread or healed the sick, it is possible through alien technology or some kind of psychic energy. But it is clear that he was much a Man, and not supremely powerful, able to predict future events with much accuracy, or able to remain invincible at all times. Ie. events suprised him, and he did not have supreme future sight. He knew he was going to die, because he got the vibes that Judas was sketchy, he did not have supreme clarity or supreme ability to see the future perfectly. It is unclear how he accomplished other miracles, such as healing lepers without getting leprosy, but it is clear that he was not supremely powerful.

When hanging around schizophrenics, they can kind of lul you into submission, rambling for hours, and giving a very authoritive vibe. Jesus was good at this, and the Bible said “he spoke with authority.” The Joker character (a schizophrenic) can also accomplish this, using an authoritive manner to hold the attention of a crowd. The schizophrenics I’ve dealt with, often have a roundabout way of explaining things, are very unclear and hard to follow. They may have a core truth in their head, that may be actually true, but the manner in which they explain it is often very convoluted and full of odd and mysterious metaphors. Jesus’s teachings have this pattern, he has a convoluted style, grandiose manner, inability to clarify, and heavy reliance on mystical metaphors. He speaks with authority, in a grandiose and epic manner, with much vigor, as if he is writing an epic poem, and Narcissists/Schizophrenics are very skilled at this. Now the type of schizophrenic i refer to are actual schizophrenics, not Satyr’s definition, which are more or less just hipsters and moderns, who have split minds and are hypocrits with themselves. He calls this “schizophrenic”, which is not at all which I refer, which is to the actual clinical condition of schizophrenia. People with actual schizophrenia have peculiar qualities, self-professed special powers, and usually a deeper connect with spiritual things, which makes them prime pickin’s for alien impregnation (ie. Anakin Skywalker’s midichlorian birth.) Back when my schizophrenia flared up, I was fairly sure I could communicate with the spiritual realm and cause bizzarre weather patterns. This is more or less true, as they found absurd people can more or less cause bizarre weather patterns. The only other possibility is that the government AI is linked to my mind, and whenever I get in a mood it triggers HAARP cataclysmic reactions. I would say that is even more far fetched, because I did infact feel spiritual when the things occured, so it is less likely that it has a mechanical computer explanation. I also could, that day, control the power by snapping my fingers. I just felt like the spirits were with me, the force was with me, and I could do it. Delusional things can only happen with delusional people, more so if they are open minded. Either something is true or it is not true.

Jesus main objectives seemed to be about social reform. He seemed to offer practical tips on how to defuse situations…ie. resolve something with your adversary, less he press charges on you. This seems to be more or less common sense, yet for some reason even nowadays, people do not follow it. For instance, I offered a thief several times to give me back my property, or else I would press charges on her. She kept refusing, and lo and behold, an officer came and arrested her, just like Jesus said. Had she known this basic property, she could have avoided the whole thing. I did not want to press charges on her, I kept offering to forgive her for what she had done, but she kept refusing my forgiveness, and lying to me. If this is the 2000’s and people still act this idiotic, you can only imagine what it was like in Jesus time. His advice was basically like E=MC2 to them. For example, his advice about turning thy other cheek, which still cannot be understood by hyperviolent types like Erik. You see, in Family Fueds, they always have to “one up the other”, same as wars. They do not understand “turn the other cheek” would lead to a more rational world of less conflict, where things are defused. This is contrary to Erik’s agenda, which is to put the world in eternal blight and warfare, therefore Erik calls Jesus a fag and ridicules his teachings.

Christianity does seem to be more or less a feminizing religion, Buddism seems to be an extremely feminizing religion. Jesus teachings seem to be more or less some kind of meta Buddhism about Nirvana. He seems to allude to a kind of feminine selfabsorbing bliss about “keeping your thoughts to yourself and dwell on your own holiness” rather than proclaiming in synagoges to be worshipped by men. He says that the narcissistic displays men do are ultimately unsatisfying not as satisfying as “heavenly treasures” which seems to be a kind of feminine self-aggrandizement, keeping energies to yourself rather than displaying them. He offers practical advice, preaching against worldliness and hedonism, saying such behavoirs are evolutionarily backwards and are unenlightened. He states the obvious, trying to get the simpler more base minds to think in new ways which are not wrapped up in dogmatism. For instance, he says “If one lusts after a woman, he commitith adultery in his heart.” This statement accomplishes two things, it says that “Reality is also part of the mind, we are not just our external bodies” and “Actions are both physical and nonphysical, the physical world is only half of reality, our nonphysical actions are Real too.” Now this concept was revolutionary at the time, with worldy empirical minds wrapped up in dogmatism and textbook laws. Much of Jesus’s teachings are practical, but much of what he said is convoluted and remains a mystery. It seems essential, that if one is going to “transcend” into heaven, that it is imperative that we find out the meaning to his mysterious teachings. He seemed to know more than what both Christains and Atheists let on, and there may be secret truths to his teachings imperative for understanding the universe and saving us from what he calls hell (which seems to be waiting for everyone in death, even plants.) So his teachings deserve a closer eye, which is free from the Christian and athiest biased dogma. He said that “Anyone who does not understand his teachings, only his parables, are not wise, and will perish.” I would say that 99 percent of christians and atheists are not wise.

His life, seemed to be a build up of conflict, living in savage times, among simple people. It culminated in his tragic death, which he planned as part of his divine opera. It seems, that the man got bored of living, viewed it all the same, and wanted to experience the extreme sensations, so that he could face his fears and live up to the suffering of the simpletons, the animals. His works seem to tread on the gangsterish, the obscene, as he is very expressive, almost mafia like, of his criterion. Very critical, presenting his Way as the Ideal, promising glorious death to those who serve him. There are recurrent motifs, and his literary style is a bit repetitive, taking a perverse pleasure at the macabre, adding to its intensity. His works prophecied of me, the Queen of the South, who would pass judgement upon the modern generation. Jesus seems to be the Satyr of his time, his works serving as a diatribe to complain about social norms, the Gentiles, the Jews, and the ever present, ever looming, “modern generation of degeneration.” Several references to Sodom and Gommorah are referred…saying “If so much these people are unwise, even Sodom and Gomorrah would be worthy of a lesser demise!” His reference to the prophet Jo’ nah seems to be a subtle reference to the numerology of 3, and if he was alien in origin it would explain his apparent “beaming him up Scotty” into the clouds. Alien or not, it is possible that his works offer the key to actual salvation, and they should be looked over more closely with an honest eye.

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Trixie, sorry UP1001,

Vagueness in a position of authority (or not) is conspicuous consumption aggression.

You saw part of it, but didn’t understand it for what it truly is.

The schizophrenic type mind often finds itself in positions of authority. Many of these individuals drag the world into their conspicuous consumptions, and their psychic aura makes their underlings unable to resist. Ie. Trent Reznor, the man with all the money, but no power, because he is an underling to the SuperOrganism of conspicous mindless consumption.

Jesus seemed to be an agent of chaos in relation to the SuperOrganism, and was the antithesis of conspicuous consumption, thought he had the same heavy handed aura of authority as the others.

UP1001 … hanging around with schizophrenics can be a difficult yet mind enriching experience!

Seems to me they … as a group think data pool … are seriously misunderstood and underrated … the general story is they live in their own worlds completely disconnected from what normal people label “reality” Cow muffins!! … at least in some cases.

I had the privilege of being compelled to undergo a ‘session’ (about 20 years ago)with a psychiatrist who had spent 30 years or so dealing with some of the most severe cases of schizophrenia in the community and surrounding area.

Fortunately … my ‘wits’ were back home at the time(IOW … my mind was clear and alert) :slight_smile:

I ended up interviewing him and he made some astonishing comments … like we don’t know how the drugs we use work … sometimes they work … sometimes they don’t … because they appear to give some people a resemblance of normalcy … we continue to prescribe them. The poor souls who are sent into a permanent vegetative state are thought of as collateral damage I suppose.

The most alarming … yet wonderfully interesting … statement he made is … "We know there is a spiritual component to the most serious of these not-well-understood conditions … but who is capable of dealing with this spiritual component.

The words ‘spirituality’ and ‘alien’ … aren’t they synonyms?

Alien implies an alien that can be seen with our sensors, spiritual implies an alien which cannot be seen with our sensors, only our own consciousness sensors.

We should also examine the disciples. Jesus seemed to give a stifling atmosphere and critical vibe…disciples were punished for slight mistakes, called devils for being too critical. Jesus had the atmosphere of a mafia boss, joker, or a Sherlock holmes on watson. If Jesus was not real, the disciples seem to have been real characters, it is possible that Jesus was a made up character to solidify their fame and recognition, part of an epic troll conspiracy. It is questionable how profound the teachings were at that time, since Greek philosophy was going on simulataneously. Why were Jesus’s teachings such a threat, when Greek philosophy and critical thinking was also a threat? It is unclear to me whether Greeks had eastern flavours to their teachings, Jesus had the nirvana concept which Greeks might have not discovered yet.

Still, my base verdict is that Jesus was real, and modern christians have diverged from what he had intended, which wasnt a childish notion of a litteral hell, Jesus intended a more enlightened understanding. Because of this, noone really understands his teachings which really may give a salvation better than the eastern teachings. For example, christians say “hell is a weeping and gnashing of teeth” even though Jesus called that “the outer regions that wise people go to”. Jesus said wise people do not go to hell, so obviously that is not hell. He never even says hell is the firey furnace, they could be seperate concepts. Jesus’s teachings need to be explained with the intelligent eye, not childish bible thumpers.

Blacks=Gentiles,Barbarians Romans=Gentiles,Barbarians

Jesus was anti-semetic.

If Jesus was of extra-terrestrial origin, then there is nothing in our recorded history to prove he held an advanced knowledge of the universe. If he did possess such knowledge, it seems that he did not pass any of this knowledge on to his followers. Consider the story of the three wise men following a star to Bethlehem. Even if all the other parts of Matthew’s gospel are to be believed, this particular passage is almost certainly a work of fiction. But what is significant about this story is that it shows an almost complete lack of knowledge of astronomy among the followers of Jesus. A star “parking” itself over a manger in Bethlehem is most consistent with the most primitive conceptions of the universe: Flat earth, a fixed and stationary earth, and stars tiny enough and close enough to earth that they can fix themselves to a single point directly above the earth.

A much more convincing claim to have been visited by an advanced intelligence is made by the Dogon people of western Africa. The Dogon, in their mythology, do possess an advanced knowledge of astronomy, including the existence of Sirius B, a star invisible to the naked eye. The Dogon claim to have acquired their knowledge from visitors from a planet in the Sirius B system.

ufo.whipnet.org/creation/dogon/

Apparently any interest in astrology by members of the Jewish community at the time of Jesus was punishable by death.

Some argue the Star of Bethlehem was an actual astrological event and the Magi may have been from as far away as China … at the time the Chinese had … still have … a passionate curiosity for astrology … believing it impacts their daily lives.

And thus, we see a growing divide between Judaism and Christianity. The story of this star of Bethlehem heralding the birth of Jesus would seem to suggest that it was OK for Christians to look to the stars for signs. The three wise men were presumably astrologers, who had used their knowledge of the stars to divine the birth of the messiah.

It is also possible that it was Halley’s comet (although Halley’s did not appear around the birth of Jesus). Matthew’s account of the birth of Jesus seems to contradict certain historical facts, as well as the other gospel accounts of Jesus’ birth. In my previous post, I called this passage a work of fiction, but I guess it would be more accurate to say that is an ancient Jewish form of storytelling known as a midrash. While fiction is usually written for entertainment purposes, the midrash, a kind of fiction, attempted to relate the present to the past through story. The story of the Magi and the massacre of the innocents was likely trying to link First Century persecution of Christians to earlier persecutions, including the massacre of innocents that preceded the birth of Moses.

The reason I say that the Star of Bethlehem may have been Halley’s relates to one theory that this passage from Matthew is actually based on the appearance of Halley’s in the year 66 AD, during the reign of Nero (and I’m sorry I can’t find the reference now). Nero was highly superstitious, and the appearance of Halley’s just sent him over the deep end. He started executing people left and right, because comets had a reputation of being bad omens. It was around this time also that Nero began the persecution of Christians.

Another purpose this midrash would serve, through the appearance of these Magi, is to show that Jesus was not just king of the Jews, but of all mankind. The Jesus we see in the earlier gospel of Mark is largely indifferent to the fate of non-Jews, and by the time Matthew’s gospel is written, a significant proportion of Christians are made up of non-Jews.

Could the Star of Bethlehem have been Jesus’ spaceship in geosynchronous orbit?

Could Jesus have been delivering a message from aliens with a superior understanding of how humans ought to live?

Could Jesus have used alien technology to perform ‘miracles’?

Could aliens have retrieved Jesus or his body after the crucifixion?

Did you ever consider that by a “bright star in the Heavens” they meant, “a bright guiding hope cast in an otherwise dark reign”? Stars are used to guide people during dark times (such as winter and dark eras, such as the one that had just begun). Don’t you still call famous movie actors, “stars”? - Same thing.

Wise men “see” via rumors and spies when not merely calculating.

Biblical scriptures are about the spirit of things, not the physicality of them.

I think I know enough about symbolism in scripture to say that there are endless ways of interpreting even the simplest of stories. I’ve told you this before, James, and you think I’m kidding, but I’m not. The Nativity story is in The Wizard of Oz. Instead of the three wise men, you have tin man, scarecrow and cowardly lion. Instead of the virgin, you have Dorothy. Instead of the Star of Bethlehem, you have the yellow brick road, which they have to follow, not to Bethlehem, but to Oz. Instead of a choir of angels singing “Peace on Earth”, you have a “celestial choir” announcing their arrival in Oz (Watch the movie closely, and you’ll even see them look up to the sky when this choir starts singing).

The good part comes when they get to Oz, and Dorothy gets a makeover, in which they transform her from a little girl into a young woman, symbolizing the loss of innocence, before she is presented to the wizard. As she approaches the wizard, the wizard yells and startles her, while she exclaims “Jimminy Cricket!” The thing to note here is that at the time, there was no such character as Jimminy Cricket. Disney didn’t release Pinnochio until nine months later, when “the word became flesh”. Now if there was no such person as Jimminy Cricket, back in 1939, when The Wizard of Oz was made, why would Dorothy use this name? Well, believe it or not, Jimminy Cricket, at the time, was a minced oath for Jesus Christ.

All this has to do not with the coming of Christ, but the coming of Apollo. Chapter 12 of Revelation relates the birth of Jesus in symbolism suggestive of the birth of Apollo; and so, TWOO relates the birth of Apollo in terms of Nativity symbolism. Now this was 1939; the first landing on the moon came in 1969 -thirty years after we first hear Dorothy exclaim “Jimminy Cricket”. This would correspond to the “first sign” -as in the “seven signs of Jesus” in St. Johns gospel. Remember that the first sign was actually performed by Jesus for his mother, before he began his public ministry (the changing of water into wine). In 1969, one month before the first landing on the moon, Judy Garland (who played Dorothy) died of a drug overdose. This is also in the movie: Just before Dorothy reaches Emerald City, she is poisoned by the witch in the poppy field. Glinda brings her back to life using snow. Snow on a warm, sunny day represents things that don’t happen often, i.e. miracles, and this scene symbolizes the death of Judy Garland just before the Apollo moon landing. The snow causes tin man to rust, turning him into a statue. The Book of Revelation once again: the beast of Revelation, or Apollo, the statue that was given breath and the ability to speak. So tin man turning into a statue, you could say “man turning himself into a god.”

Phyllo … the accurate answer to all of your questions is … “maybe”.

Does it really matter?

Seems strange how much of our linited energy many of us donate to craft questions and looking for answers that can’t be found.

How much time and effort is spent trying to figure out what is happening inside of us … the introspective journey?