The Cold War that the USA Lost

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Both subject to assassination attempts.
Both in favor of the USA in charge of its own currency.
Both against secretive shadow governing (NSA and DHS).
Both against governing through debt (Control through Banks).
Both against “Big Government” totalitarianism.
Both in favor of limited government.
Both in favor of privacy.
Both in favor of national independence.
Both against Socialism disguised as democratic capitalism.

Both lost to the New World Odor (U.N.) now governing all monies, all rhetoric, all laws, all disease, and all wars.

First “shot” fired in 1913 by Pres. Woodrow Wilson and J.P. Morgan Jr…

James,

I was not aware of the fact that Regan started as a democrate. It took me by surprise.

with love,
sanjay

Originally in the USA, democrats were for democratic governing over oligarchy. But it all changed into liberal socialism (Democrats) vs conservative socialism (Republicans) in order to comply with the New World Odor Socialism.

In the USA, nothing conforms to its name because everything is misdirection and deception, taking advantage of confusion in order to exercise extortion. Names of things are just lures for the unwary.

He was an actor, hired to portray a passionate political leader and given scripts to read to the public that were probably written by the same guys who got him elected.

Well, he was degreed in economics and sociology before he became an actor. At that time, the democrats were conservative and supported the Constitution, unlike today. He saw the changing and switch over to the republican party. He was the governor of California for a while and ran for president several times before defeating Carter and then stayed for 2 terms.

I am aware that he was an actor. Some also say that he spied and reported about many people from the hollywood to FBI during his acting tenure.

with love,
sanjay

James,

I viewed both clips and has no hesitation in saying that both leaders were right in their approach, at least in their speech.
But, given that Obama and Bush made policies for governeing from the shadow, people yet vote for Democrates, even though they spy and fool people more than Republicans. Republicans are at least honest about their agenda and also do not want any restricton/manipulation on the media.

So, the question is what makes US citizen vote for Obama not once but twice?
Is it his merely his good oration qualities or voters unability to understand what is going on in reality?

With love,
sanjay

James S Saint: Well, he was degreed in economics and sociology before he became an actor.

K: at a very small time school.

JS: At that time, the democrats were conservative and supported the Constitution, unlike today.

K: unlike republicans, we have actually read the constitution. For example Obama taught constitutional law
at university of Chicago. and unlike republicans, we don’t commit acts of treason, I.E arguing for succeeding
from the union like Rick Perry and calling for revolution like bobby Jindal. Nope, we understand and
respect the constitution which is more then the GOP of today can say.

JS: He saw the changing and switch over to the republican party. He was the governor of California for a while and ran for president several times before defeating Carter and then stayed for 2 terms.

K: “he saw the changing” I have no idea what this means. He was a crappy, crappy governor. I arrived right after
his term and I saw the damage he did to California. The impression I get from people who knew him was
he was basically senile by 1982. I believe he was over 70 at that point. Reygun was one of the worst presidents
in U.S history but with that said, BUSH Jr. was worse maybe worse president of all time.

Kropotkin

zinnat13: I viewed both clips and has no hesitation in saying that both leaders were right in their approach, at least in their speech.

Zinnat: But, given that Obama and Bush made policies for governing from the shadow, people yet vote for Democrates, even though they spy and fool people more than Republicans. Republicans are at least honest about their agenda and also do not want any restricton/manipulation on the media.

K: given that you don’t live in America, let me correct you. People vote for democrats for the simple reason
the GOP lies, the drive for war after 9/11 was all driven by GOP lies, after 10 years in Iraq and we never found
the WMD’S (weapons of mass destruction) A recent poll (and I hate polls) suggest that over 75% of people regret going
to war in Iraq. The drive to increase the security in this country comes directly from the GOP and their lies about
WMD’S.

Z: So, the question is what makes US citizen vote for Obama not once but twice?
Is it his merely his good oration qualities or voters unability to understand what is going on in reality?

K: The voters understand reality quite well. the GOP has every single election given the American voters
worse and worse candidates. I thought Kemp was low and then bush jr. lowered the bar and then McCann and
Romney hit the bottom. this election the list of midgets gets worse, bobby Jindal, really, is that the best you can
do? the GOP list of candidates goes from terrible to really, really bad. There is not a GOP candidate that
can elected for any type of national office because the only they can win now is by gerrymandering the districts.
They cannot get elected without rigging the elections. The prospects get worse by 2016 with demographics
going against the GOP in every way. by 2020 the GOP will be a small, small regional party. The GOP basically
doesn’t exist in California anymore. (btw, the California GOP party declared bankruptcy last year and they can’t
even field decent candidates in areas like LA and the bay area.) Don’t believe JAMES when he babbles about
democrats because he has no idea what he is talking about.

Kropotkin

I love how everyone thinks that it’s their job to interpret the constitution and not the job of the scotus.

Kropotkin: He was not one of the worst presidents it’s arguable he was one of the best. Capitalism and it’s fate is not a new thing. Ever since Spengler, for goodness sakes, it’s credibility has been in doubt. The momentous event of the fall of communism reinforced the life blood of capitalism being the only true expression of individual, human endeavor. All dogmas are artificial. That a president happens to surface at such a time and be able to rise to the occasion, is no true measure of a successful politician. Hitler was semi educated, yet he was a mover, to say the least. It is the cult of the personality that ruled politics since time immemorial, and such a man can hire feeders, to make sure he doesn’t make a mistake.

Mao Tse Tung had ghost writers, who would all be alive today, had they the foresight and wisdom to realize that it would be to their disadvantage to try to acknowledge their own penmanship.

Kropotkin: He was not one of the worst presidents it’s arguable he was one of the best. Capitalism and it’s fate is not a new thing. Ever since Spengler, for goodness sakes, it’s credibility has been in doubt. The momentous event of the fall of communism reinforced the life blood of capitalism being the only true expression of individual, human endeavor. All dogmas are artificial. That a president happens to surface at such a time and be able to rise to the occasion, is no true measure of a successful politician. Hitler was semi educated, yet he was a mover, to say the least. It is the cult of the personality that ruled politics since time immemorial, and such a man can hire feeders, to make sure he doesn’t make a mistake.

Mao Tse Tung had ghost writers, who would all be alive today, had they the foresight and wisdom to realize that it would be to their disadvantage to try to acknowledge their own penmanship.

Kind of makes you wonder where Obama is coming from when he spouts, “How dare the Supreme Court tell ME the intentions of the Constitution!”. I guess he that he selectively didn’t read that part of the Constitution that mandates that as the Supreme Court’s sole purpose. But then, he isn’t really working for the USA, so who knows.

What about the patriot act?

Actually he he is following bush jr. In that regards
Whereas bush lite arbitarilly decided the
Parts of the constitution he would or would not
Follow. Another example of of Obama following
In the footsteps of bush lite. And as far as working
For the US. He has clearly done far more to improve
The US. Then anything bush Jr. Ever, ever did.

That was an issue, not unlike the creation of the FED, wherein Congress was surreptitiously bypassed under the guise of “Emergency Powers”, usurping authority long enough to instill the emergency.

And yes, Obama is just a reflection of a Bush(man), socialist to the core.

So, you are saying that basically there are two reasons for republicans losing elections-
1- They lie
2- They lack good leadership

As far as lies are concerned, i think that every politician tends to lie, more or less.
Yes, it is true that Bush lied about Iraq but did Obama not lie about the government spying programme? And, what about people like Snowden?

Secondly, i do not think that, given the history of GOP and the size of US, it is possible that republicans cannot have good leaders for presidential post. I looks to me that corporate lobby, who is the biggest manipulator of the elections everywhere in the world, do not want any good republican leader to be the president. They fear that perhaps that would not be good for them. So, they push for second grade ones.
This is reflecting in California GOP becoming short of money, which is a quite unusual thing for me.

with love,
sanjay

I would rather this thread not become an argument between liberals and conservatives or who is the worst President.

The issue is that there was a “cold war” wherein hidden influences were being instigated throughout the population intended to serve goals other than that of the Constitution or the American population. A shadow government was forming and has now completely formed. “He who reigns in darkness rules the world”. But it didn’t have to be that way.

The war that was lost was a war against secretive, manipulating conspirators more commonly known as “serpents”. Now, they are all that is left. The US Constitution had merely one tiny flaw. But as always, that is all it takes to have to go through both rise and fall then have to start over (the one tiny hole in the dike).

Before i give the wrong impression, James, i don’t intend to become a sort of spy in the house of love, as Anais Nin, would have it, but i need to reflect on our discussion earlier in another formu, where emphasis was placed on a lineage of discussion relating to the Spengler-Weber debates, and i argued for Weber’s position, and found considerable concurrence, within current followers, and one particular one i could dig up, closed with the statement, that the outcome is still a work in progress, and there is no telling which point of view ultimately will prove to be the correct one.

Another point in the same thread, was the impression brought into the discussion, that ideological thought is likely to reduce to Kant, and a synthetic approach may, in the long run will prove to be the tool, by which further reduction is prevented in analytical thought.

 The rationalism of a Spinoza, whom Nietzsche took literally was not taken but figuratively by Goethe, and Wagner, therefor the rift, Nietzsche contra Wagner.  Things came to a head in a production of Parcifal at Bayrouth, whrere Nietzche was disillusioned, the redemptive power of love, which originated with Goethe, was the final straw.

 What is at stake here?  Not only credibility, but the fact, that the ideological struggle is still on, and what is missing from current political processes, is that negotiations are breaking down, in the above examples given, namely, the one which stands out is the current struggle betweem executive and legislative parts of the US government.  
  
 World wide this struggle can be extended to the separation of church and state issue, and because power has been more or less outsourced , there must be some wrangling and jostling between the Vatican and the U.N.  

  Politicians in this country, the SCOTUS included are talking about meeting of minds on the both sides of the isle.  But is this the real picture of what really is going on?  t is business as usual of special interests bribing their representatives by porkbarrel means to get their special as usual business done.  Nothing really changes, and nothing will, until another fiasco like the last one, will bring people to attention.  

Philosophy can help, at least point out inconsistencies, and the forum dealing with machines taking over , has pointed out, that this is no longer a local or regional threat, but one of worldwide significance.  The reason why we are beginning to see a limit, or end of history, is precisely because these regions,are expanding to include more associations based on corporate structure, and the time to make decisions whether diplomatic or economic are increasingly made in terms of one another.  The effect of all this is seemingly a need to create a central agency for the coordination of these, in order to prevent mass confusion in the making of these geopolitical decisions.  Kant's synthesis of de-mystifying the naturalistic fallacy, into the growing wants, as opposed to perceived needs of humanity, may be at a very early stage, but it looks like it offers the brightest hope for world unification.

I also was taken surprise by this fact