The Collapse of Civilization

[Carleas]

@MagsJ

Keep telling me that I’ve never posted any evidence of my beliefs what I know is happening out there, in the big wide world.

I will keep telling you that as long as it remains true.

You’ve offered 1) a news story about the arrest of some people smugglers, and 2) a tweet (and the same tweet repackaged as a tiktok, and rerepackaged as a youtube video) where two politicians disagree about whether London is safer than when Sadiq Kahn became mayor. When was this debate? Unclear.

To refresh our memories on the question, here is the origin:

@Carleas

What specific trend in rapes, murders, or loss of freedom do you see, and in what data?

@Carleas

I’m asking for you (or Jakob or Mags) to provide data for your generalizations

So we’re looking for evidence to support generalization, which a story about the breakup of a smuggling ring is not – in a country of 68 million people, a single story tells us almost nothing.

By contrast, and though I hate to say it, the tweet/tiktok/youtube is actually somewhat responsive, because it has anything to say about "trend[s] in rapes [and] murders]. So, fair play. It’s still a shite source (Is there a full video? Do we know what stats Gareth Bacon is citing? Why is tiktok your primary source of information about the world?)

But contrary to Gsy_Girl’s summary, he didn’t say there’s no increase in crime, he said it’s “safer”. My guess is that Gareth Bacon is citing absolute numbers when he lists categories of crimes that are “up”, and Sadiq Khan would prefer to use relative numbers to argue that it’s “safer”: the population has has increased by over 10% during his tenure, so even if absolute numbers of crimes are up, the average person could still be experiencing less crime.

@MagsJ

Threads were locked and posts were deleted, of the unlawful occurrences I was trying to highlight…

Locked threads are still visible, feel free to link.

I’ve never deleted anything related to this topic or conversation. I looked through your deleted posts to confirm (because nothing is ever really deleted). There have been 18 total:

• 12 were off-topic bickering (most were reported by you);
• 4 were accidental posts/duplicates;
• 1 was a two word ad hom;
• 1 was a picture with no context (the picture was of a bombing in Gaza).

The deleted posts that were in threads related to this topic were in the Global Matters thread (duplicate), Genocide in Gaza (picture with no context), The Resistance Begins (duplicate), and Ali and Isabel (one a request from you to move a digression, one an accidental reply).