The Dogmatic Political Mind-Set

[MagnetMan]

@apaosha

@MagnetMan

Since Obama is a waste of time, perthaps the nay sayers can give us their take on what needs to happen for better goverment and how it can be achieved within the present framework?

I have no opinions on this. Any sort of governance will be self-defeating in the long run; you can’t please everyone.

Since you have nothing constructive to add then you should at least leave us believers with our happy illusions

I like the idea of Anarchy, though it isn’t a self-sustaining system.

Precisely. Within a generation we would have regressed back into the Stone Age.

The herd will reform the State inevitably every time; it’s a natural inclination for them to cluster together in mutual self-interest.

Good government takes advantage of our natural inclinations. When we write out our idealistic Constitutions, what is natural gradually gets thrown out with the bath water. We end up with thousands of libraries filled floor to ceiling with law books, all trying to define how original constitutions wanted us to behave.

The most natural form of government is one of mutual respect and obedience to unwritten social ethics. The way you achieve this without breeding rebellious teenage protestants, is to rear and educate children to respect univesal family values. There are seven of them, and if parents made sure each one is properly seated by age 21, we would have a self-policed, hadr-working population that does not need bureacratic oversight, or any other supervisors tell them how to behave. Such a New Age generation would clearly see the whole of mankind as a single family all sharing the same values. And we would all work together to steward the home planet as a single family estate.

I think it is better and more courageous to live as an outlaw within the state; a criminal if you will, doing what one likes when one likes, and possessing enough rationality to consistently elude the State’s enforcers …

I had some moments like that in my teens. I worked out a detailed plan on how to execute a perfect bank robbery.

As to courage let me warn you, if it is on the wrong side of ethics, the end is worse than having the courage to face the devel and be damned. An abyss of puss lays beyond that.

[apaosha]

Indeed. The most effective form of slavery is that which causes the slave to believe he is happy.

Such a New Age generation would clearly see the whole of mankind as a single family all sharing the same values. And we would all work together to steward the home planet as a single family estate.

Conflict and inequality are necessary; many beautiful things in this world have sprung from them. Your naive and idealistic utopia will result in stagnation and decadence, nothing more.

[Anthem]

@MagnetMan

@MagnetMan

The problem I have with those against Obama
Is that they are seemingly for no change.

Since Obama is a waste of time, perthaps the nay sayers can give us their take on what needs to happen for better goverment and how it can be achieved within the present framework?

Did I say he was a waste of time?

[MagnetMan]

@apaosha

Indeed. The most effective form of slavery is that which causes the slave to believe he is happy.

Sounds Divine to me.

@MagnetMan

Such a New Age generation would clearly see the whole of mankind as a single family all sharing the same values. And we would all work together to steward the home planet as a single family estate.

Conflict and inequality are necessary; many beautiful things in this world have sprung from them. Your naive and idealistic utopia will result in stagnation and decadence, nothing more.

Yeah! The planet management progects that are needed right at this moment are so vast and so complicated it will take generations of collective creative effort for them to become a reality. And when we have this planet running in perpetual motion with only maintanence needed, I can play golf every day on any course of my choosing without feeling guilty about starving kids. I want nothing more,

[apaosha]

Sounds Divine to me.

This does not surprise me …

Yeah! The planet management progects that are needed right at this moment are so vast and so complicated it will take generations of collective creative effort for them to become a reality. And when we have this planet running in perpetual motion with only maintanence needed, I can play golf every day on any course of my choosing without feeling guilty about starving kids. I want nothing more,

Conflict - and, through it, overcoming- is creation.

Subsistence is stagnation.

You do not want to create; you want a soft, easy life in which all your cravings are met with the minimum of expended effort.

You want ease; and to be spared any hardship.

Were you not coddled by the decadent society in which you live (which survives and prospers through the existence of minds such as your own), you would be dead long ago.

[Anthem]

Tsk tsk, magnet, you drama-hound.

[MagnetMan]

@apaosha

Conflict - and, through it, overcoming- is creation.

Subsistence is stagnation.

You do not want to create; you want a soft, easy life in which all your cravings are met with the minimum of expended effort.

You want ease; and to be spared any hardship.

Were you not coddled by the decadent society in which you live (which survives and prospers through the existence of minds such as your own), you would be dead long ago.

The pull of gravity will bring wisdom inevitably.

[Anthem]

@MagnetMan

The pull of gravity will bring wisdom inevitably.

Have you met colin leslie dean?

Or yourself?

[MagnetMan]

@Anthem

@MagnetMan

The pull of gravity will bring wisdom inevitably.

Have you met colin leslie dean?

Never heard of the dude.

Or yourself?

Am hoping to, one day.

[MagnetMan]

@apaosha

You do not want to create; you want a soft, easy life in which all your cravings are met with the minimum of expended effort.

I got done with arts and crafts class in nursery school
I was done with bows and arrows by puberty
I was done with dogmatic religion by my teens
I was done with pseudo-intellectual argument ( like this one) by 21.
I am now wanting to harvest the 5 billion KWH of lunar energy that is going to waste twice a day in the
Gulf of California.

You want ease; and to be spared any hardship.

When my work of carrying the globe on my shoulders is done, I look forward to a nice game of golf.
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Were you not coddled by the decadent society in which you live (which survives and prospers through the existence of minds such as your own), you would be dead long ago.
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It is time you left nursery school.

[d0rkyd00d]

As if a testament to the ineptitude of political argumentation of most folks, this thread has degraded into quite a worthless discussion.

I’m not sure if I should laugh at the irony or cry at the seeming hopelessness.

[Anthem]

You mean solar energy?

@MagnetMan

When my work of carrying the globe on my shoulders is done, I look forward to a nice game of golf.

Ahh…the mark of a truly learned man…humility…

[Carleas]

I think Dorky said it better than I can. Locked*.

*EDIT: After some more consideration, I feel my actions may have been rash. I’m only human . So I’m unlocking the topic. But I still think Dorky had a good point.

[apaosha]

I got done with arts and crafts class in nursery school
I was done with bows and arrows by puberty
I was done with dogmatic religion by my teens
I was done with pseudo-intellectual argument ( like this one) by 21.
I am now wanting to harvest the 5 billion KWH of lunar energy that is going to waste twice a day in the
Gulf of California.

I bask in the radiant splendour of your obvious superiority. Do tell this woeful ignorant how to be such a magnanimous, gifted, higher type such as yourself …

=D>

@Carleas: This thread was doomed from the get-go. Political idealism is futile.

[MagnetMan]

@apaosha

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I bask in the radiant splendour of your obvious superiority. Do tell this woeful ignorant how to be such a magnanimous, gifted, higher type such as yourself …

There are two sides to your brain. You have been trained to use only the analytical half. The intuitive side is where all inspiration lies. It needs exercise or it atrophies. If you really want me to tell how, we need a change of tone, here and in the political arena.

Carleas, thanks for the unblock
Hopefully we can get to the nitty-gritty of the politcal mind-set
It depends on the sincerity of our enquiry/

[apaosha]

There are two sides to your brain. You have been trained to use only the analytical half. The intuitive side is where all inspiration lies. It needs exercise or it atrophies.

Would this be the left or the right hemisphere?

Or do you mean that I should become a “man of spirit” akin to to your pet politician?

What does that mean …?

Shall I practice magic? Shall I commune with the dead? Shall I heal the sick by reciting some religious nonsense and waving my hands spastically?

Please tell me - I’m very interested. Honestly.

[/sarcasm]

[MagnetMan]

@apaosha

There are two sides to your brain. You have been trained to use only the analytical half. The intuitive side is where all inspiration lies. It needs exercise or it atrophies.

Would this be the left or the right hemisphere?

Or do you mean that I should become a “man of spirit” akin to to your pet politician?

What does that mean …?

Shall I practice magic? Shall I commune with the dead? Shall I heal the sick by reciting some religious nonsense and waving my hands spastically?

Please tell me - I’m very interested. Honestly.

[/sarcasm]

Honesty and sarcasm are mutually exclusive.
The pupil is not ready.

[Anthem]

@magnetman

Honesty and sarcasm are mutually exclusive.

In this case, that was his point.

In general, you’re wrong.

@magnetman

The pupil is not ready.

The ‘teacher’ is not ready and at this rate never will be.

[MagnetMan]

@Anthem

@magnetman

Honesty and sarcasm are mutually exclusive.

In this case, that was his point.

In general, you’re wrong.

@magnetman

The pupil is not ready.

The ‘teacher’ is not ready and at this rate never will be.

Is apaosha another toady of yours?. Can’t the man can’t speak for himself?

[Anthem]

I don’t know anything about Apaosha, except that we share a distaste for your lies. We reinforce each other, which is something your theory lacks: support.