The Externalization of Our Spiritual Nature

Hi Ned,

Ummmmm, nope.

A personified “devil” is an opinion, not an entity. I’m not a literalist, Ned. I may read the bible looking to understanding, but the literal words mean nothing to me. I have no personal God, and no personal devil.

We just might have to agree to disagree…

I had a feeling that you weren’t going to like that! You’ll probably like what I’m about to say even less. If you look to the bible for “understanding” without acknowledging God then you are simply wasting your time…

Why not think of Satan Mary Shelly-style then? Merely as a dynamic, yet unspiritual character. Not Satan the idea, but Satan the ideology.

Though what I most take issue with is your original premise: to err is bad. Whether we are told that, or not, it ought be ignored. Error is necessary for learning. Erring isn’t bad, merely its effects. Through the effects of errors, particularly terrible errors, society creates rules. Our entire learning model is based on errors.

The Master said, “To have faults and not to reform them – this, indeed, should be pronounced as having faults.”

Ned,

Wasting my time? Perhaps. You’ll forgive me if I disagree with your opinion…

Hey Xunzian,

Uhhh, somehow, I thought I was saying the same thing you just said. :unamused:

Did I say it badly?

Forgiven. Many do…

The way you expressed it seemed like you were looking for a world were error does not exist because people merely ‘are’. You are removing the references whereby we make mistakes. I think that is a terrible, if you’ll forgive the irony, mistake. We need those references so that we can improve ourselves. They are the straight-edge whereby a true line can be drawn.

Mistakes are real, but they aren’t necessarily ‘bad’ as long as we learn from them. I’ve learned more form the correction of my own errors than I have from acts I’ve performed well the first time.

Xunzian,

I don’t think making errors is ‘bad’. Quite the contrary. My original statement was merely saying that we are told that a mistake is bad, and because error making is our prime learning mode, we learn to distrust ourselves because we are always doing ‘bad’ things. We are first controlled, and then control ourselves inside this fallacy. Is that a better explanation?

There is only one ‘bad’ mistake: making the same mistake twice.

Now that, I can agree to without reservation.

Hi JT,

I think that it would be an interactive show, with traditional and meditative elements and practical assistance. It would be a place where thoughts could be discussed and tested for their practicability, but it would be a show without a show master. There wouldn’t be one central person, but the One, the Ineffable, and everything would revolve around this mystery.

Tradition would be presented in the form it began as, as an oral transmission of stories, thought-provoking and exciting, waking the ability to understand intuitively what these stories are about. The universality and timelessness of these legends and myths would become apparent, and would advance the mutual respect between traditions, looking at the global implications.

Meditative elements would stabilise people, help them find their centre, their balance. They would quieten worries, frustration, fears and help people find their Way, their path through life. But these elements would also aim to point to those things that burden people – Mammon, dependency, prejudice, fear, insecurity – and offer methods and solutions to find relief.

Practical assistance would be in the form of advice and treatment of ailments, often pointing to the source of psychosomatic disorders and emotional distress and uncovering latent depression. It would provide a faith-orientated outlook, encourage people to take less medicaments and find a more wholesome approach to life. Discussion would give voice to dissent and encourage policy-makers to listen more to what troubles people with low income.

Shalom

Hey Bob,

I don’t know, that doesn’t sound like a television show to me. It sounds more like a description of heaven on earth… =D> =D>

Hi JT,

Well, at least for an hour or so … :smiley:

Shalom

Hi Bob,

Hey, an hour is an hour. Better than the 30 sec sound bite on the evening news… :smiley: