The Face Of The Enemy

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Dr. Mostafa Roshan and his son Alireza. Dr. Roshan, a 32 year old scientist and university physics professor, was assassinated in Tehran on January 11, 2012. He was one of five Iranian nuclear scientists assassinated since 2010. The Iranian government has filed a complaint with and provided evidence to “international bodies” (per a report in the UK Guardian) implicating Israel (Mossad) and the USA (the CIA) and the UK (MI-6).

Does anyone remember top U.S. NASA scientist Dr. Wernher von Braun? Before coming to the U.S. at the end of WWII, he was in charge of Germany’s V-2 rocket program, which used slave labor from concentration camps. Dr. Von Braun himself selected slave laborers from the Buchenwald camp. Described by one NASA peer as “without a doubt, the greatest rocket scientist in history”, Dr. von Braun was the chief architect of the Saturn V launch vehicle which took U.S. astronauts to the moon.

I’m not informed about the details of whatever game the U.S. and Israel and Britain are playing at here, but I am convinced that assassinating the man in the above picture was more than wrong; it was evil and indefensible. A policy of assassinating all the working physicists in any country is patently absurd! Then what happens when that country, or others sympathetic to it, start assassinating all the physicists in the US, UK and Israel? If our diplomacy is failing that badly, then fix the diplomacy – don’t go around killing innocent civilians just because they’re competent at their jobs.

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So what you gunna do about it?

You have pointed at one, comparatively insignificant atrocity involved in today’s world domination game.
It is about to get a whole lot worse.
Find an Ark… quickly.

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The man in the picture was not insignificant. His son is not insignificant. NO ONE is insignificant! What I can do is not much, but this is part of it – keep a picture of his face, his son’s face, and occasionally bring that to the attention of a few other people. If you know something else I could do that would help, I’m listening.

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Are you going to keep a picture of the other 2 billion?
I agree that not one is “insignificant”. That is why I said, “comparatively insignificant”.
Murder is murder… period.
But when facing billions and perhaps the entire species, one is merely a sample.

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Are we talking:

Or:

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Yes.

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To Melonkali, this story is very tragic, my heart is with you.
It just show that fear in the world drives negative things. I guess if all people
skew our knowledge of the atom towards positive energy production, then
this may be the best path for humanity.

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Thanks for your compassion – it’s a rare quality these days. You may be right, fear may be a larger culprit than greed in some of these situations. In the U.S., the majority of American people (per polls) want Guantanamo Bay to remain in operation, in Cuba. I guess fear trumps decency, principle and integrity, not to mention compassion, in that situation, too.

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The illuminati don’t like competition.
They control some countries allot more than others.
Assassination of people is part of what they do, but they do allot.
I am not referring to a known group.
The way that things like the CIA are set up is that someone can give the order, someone else does it, and they don’t know who told them to do it or why.

Religious dogmatism was part of how the illuminati controlled human society in the passed. Now they use more complex means. The illuminati may or may not be supported by malevolent aliens but it probably is. I mean outer space aliens.

All we can personally do about it is try to stay informed and support our friends.
Humans are more helpless than they seem. For example: How many people are just sitting there staring at chemtrails. What do they do? Humans are foolish. Aliens can win at games against humanity. Sadly humanity doesn’t have God’s support, if there is such a God. The “gods” tended to favor their own goals more than they favored humanity. But that’s another story.

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We are our own enemy. If kids are obnoxious, do we blame them or the parents? If government is obnoxious is it their fault or ours? We can stop it easily. Petitions, taxes and voting We are about to elect presidential leadership and control to a party. Want to explain why anyone should vote for either Democrat or Republican when there are fine candidates not of either group. If stopping government abuse is the goal then stop voting for the ones they tell you to vote for.

One controversial comment.
If you go into a career that is controversial such as nuclear, then are you not putting your own head in the noose?

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A good point. But then, how many fields of study are potentially effective which makes them potentially dangerous in the wrong hands? Shall we paint targets on every researcher in every country in the world who engages in any potentially effective research on anything – botanists? Aggies? We’d be talking 100’s of thousands, at least. This is just too paranoid and absurd. Only the philosophers would be safe :smiley: !

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I am surprised (or actually glad) that no one shares my view!!! Anyway, in my view, killing is NEVER wrong (I am not saying GOOD either as I firmly believe there’s no absolute morality exists in the world). We kill countless animals for our consumption. By being stupid, indifferent (99% of us), no one seems to seriously care that we have 17,000 babies are dying out of malnutrition each day on this planet. The most idiotic and hypocritical thing is while most of us mindlessly blame serial killers like Stalin, Hitler, Mao and others as “TOTAL EVIL”, they do not blame GOD/NATURE which often instantly and brutally kills hundreds of thousands of innocent people in the case of natural disasters. No one seem to blame “something – God -Nature” which created the universe and our human condition as 99% of us were constantly brainwashed to believe God is Good through childhood training. No one taught us God might be the ultimate SADISTIC awareness/force because it is the ultimate truth and dangerous!

Can anyone tell me with reason why killing is bad? Then how would you call God’s action (which killed far more than Stalin had killed over the course of human history) to instantly and brutally kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people in the case of natural disasters?

For those of you are curious, if I was God, omnipotent and compassionate, I would create a world where there will be unlimited amount of resources so 7 billion of my children will never have to fight to keep the necessary resources so they would live in harmony and peace forever.

Will

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I’m glad what you would do if you were God – I’ll vote for you next God election.

The problem with killing, assuming one has nothing against it in principle, becomes choosing. Like Stalin purging everyone and his dog Spot, you know. Who needs to die, who doesn’t, and why? Not to mention wars. How do you discern? Then there’s retaliation. Generally, historically speaking, the whole thing gets out of hand and turns into a free for all, doesn’t it?

Although I’ll freely admit there have been times I wished I had an Uncle Guido… :wink:

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<The problem with killing, assuming one has nothing against it in principle, becomes [choosing].

Yes, we choose who will prey upon, kiss up, ignore, attack only to pursue our “self interest” which includes the fact some fireman choose to sacrifice [die] himself to save others to supremely stroke his ego, knowing he is an exceptional human being like Kamikaze pilot. I will repeat, we live and do everything to serve our self interest even including someone tries to be just like everyone else (lazy/mediocre/stupid) to not make wave in order not to be the target of mass’s envy!!!

<Who needs to die,

R U joking or hypocritical? We all are gonna die because that’s what GOD [the ultimate sadist far surpasses Hitler, Stalin and Mao] wants us. The thing I forgot to mention if I was omnipotent and compassionate was that I would create a human whose body is not mortal thus not susceptible to outside physical threat and violence thus he or she can live up to the highest of ethics and morality without compromise.

<who doesn’t, and why?

I already answered many times!!! Do I need to spoon feed you? The answer to your question is because GOD/NATURE is extremely harsh and sadistic!

<How do you discern?

I already answered it so far!

<Then there’s retaliation.

We do everything in relation to our past, which is to say we do everything to retaliate! That’s what we do, denying would be stupid and hypocritical!

<the whole thing gets out of hand and turns into a free for all, doesn’t it?

When did it happen? Since the beginning of history up until now without any rest. Tell me if there was a single year when we human had lived in total peace and harmony! There’s none! Am I wrong? All we do is to deceive, lie, steal, kill, rape, brainwash, enslave (prey upon weak and stupid) and pretending like a good moral being (disgusting HYPOCRITE) 24/7. So don’t pretend like the problem just started recently!!!

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You began your first post stating that killing is never wrong. I believe it is usually wrong (I’m not 100% pacifist). And even if one unjust death pales in the face of the gazillion unjust deaths before it, it is still one more unjust death, and it is wrong.

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The “enemy” lay in how much of “self-interest” is interest in only “self”.

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It’s disinterest that is more problematic.

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So r u saying human killing other human is wrong but when God kills millions of innocent people, that is right???

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will2010 could you be any more of a fucking cliche?

No one blames God or nature for Tragedies? What? Have you been living under a rock?

The case could be made that death itself isn’t neccessarily bad, but killing can be.

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I really don’t understand much about this action, but I would point out being a father and not in the military doesn’t automatically classify you as innocent.