The Feminization of Man

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If you say so.

One thing I realized early on in life: People rarely know themselves as well as they think they do.
Ergo my motto ‘Know Thyself’.

Most of the time self-consciousness is so distressing and natural selection so cruel that one runs from the results, hides behind selective and partial interpretations and relishes blissful ignorance.

How manly of you!
That settles it, you are very masculine, because this entire essay is, obviously, the definition of manhood as that which diminishes or degrades females and is cruel to animals.
Good job. Bravo!!! =D>
You are smart, dude. Wow!!! And so macho and tough.

Your displays of hyper-masculinity, are exactly what a feminized male does to compensate for his emasculation.
The rapper, to feel better about his state of mental slavery, puts on a show with bling-bling and biatches which are meant to give off the impression that he’s a man, he’s da man, when he’s nothing more than an adolescent boy, retarded in his development and stagnating in his stunted maturity.

He’s a female.

Maybe you should consider your cruelty to animals and women as your compensation for feeling so weak and stupid.

You fool, your teenage rebelliousness says little but your every post speaks volumes.
Do not take yourself as capable of deciphering psychologies and motives. Your judgment is poor and your mind feeble.

Your every post reveals this.

You don’t even see it because if you could you wouldn’t be the dumb-ass that you are.

And what makes you think I’m hiding? What I reveal I reveal willingly and without fear or shame.
What you know, or think you know, I’ve shown you.
Unfortunately your masking and dancing about has failed to hide you from me. Even when you try to pretend that you are smart, you look stupid.
You can’t pretend that you are above your quality.

Is that what you know that I know or is it what you want to know that you know I know?

Jeez, how many childish strategies are you going to use?
No argument to challenge the thesis on-topic. Only declarations of certitude and displays. Where is this intelligence and reasoning prowess you are so proud of and you profess?
Show us that 'masculine brain in action.

Is your intelligence implied, and yet hidden. Only accessible by the few select who can grasp your depths, over a nice smoke, and get you despite of your inability to speak?

And just so that I do not disappoint you:
What an idiot you are?
You win!
The money is in the mail.

Isn’t it remarkable that even in your understanding of what a “philosopher” is you expose your quality of mind.

A philosopher, imbecile, is just one who loves wisdom/knowledge. You picture him, because you cannot comprehend him, as some gray, old, severe, always serious man speaking in a monotone, perhaps smoking a pipe over a glass of brandy, surrounded by books in a study.
That there is a little boy’s imagining of a thinker, and you a child brought up on too much pop culture.

The age of anti-intelelctual intellectualism.
God bless America.

This’ll be interesting:
What did Nietzsche say? You’ve’ obviously, understood him so well and he’s transparent to your very bright mind, so tell us.
Tell us about your ‘common sense’.
Show us that mind in action.

Remember to get drunk first so that when you begin uttering stupidities you can have something to excuse yourself with and so save your ego from embarrassment.

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I will give you this, Satyr. You are witty beyond compare when it comes to dishing out highly insulting remarks.

However, what exactly is this “real man” supposed to have characteristics of?

A combination of Goethe, Einstein, Bill Gates, Napoleon and Jesus?

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Dear child, I have grown tired of you.

All your questions have been answered over and over and over again.
The essay itself provides you with the information you are asking for. I can’t continuously repeat myself. Ingenium might have a fit and you know how women can get.

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Funny, I was reading a bit of it before you responded.

This is why you’ve gotten so angry with me: Because I actually point out the meaninglessness of these ideas. Your “philosophy” rests on these premises:

  1. There is “happiness”
  2. There is a “should”
  3. There is “importance”

Now try as you might, you cannot deny making this essay is the result of these myths.

You’re tired of speaking to a brick-wall that is about to come your way in time…

There is no consolation for our existences.

Is it so hard for you to admit?

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Satyr is right though. Smears is a hack. I doubt he’s even read anything Nietzsche wrote, and yet, the man not only has an opinion on N’s whole work, but on those who read and study Nietzsche also. I bet you he has clever opinions about most big named philosophers. Probably a clever one or two liner. Don’t ask him to elaborate though…it’d a waste of time.

Hell, I doubt he’s even read Satyr’s relatively short essay, yet…he does have an opinion of it. And of the author himself, no less.

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If you’ve read and studied Nietzsche, chances are that you would see life to be even more meaingless than before.

The Ãœbermensch is meaningless. Everything is meaningless.

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Child, I cannot be held accountable for your misunderstandings.
Thanks for, once again, providing evidence as to how unable to comprehend you are.

I said there is ‘happiness’ or ‘importance’ or a ‘should’?
Who the hell are you debating, the straw men in your head?

Who are you talking about?
You are telling me my motives?
You can’t even come to terms with your existence and you don’t know your own motives and you deem your judgment sufficient to make such grand deductions?
Go away…your stupidity is irritating. You are a waste of time. Stop prostituting yourself to me.
I don’t want to buy. Haven’t you been raped enough?

You got me…now go away.

Deep and insightful commentary. Thanks.

By the way it is the fact that everything is meaningless that makes man creator of his own meaning.
You really didn’t understand Nietzsche, did you?
But little boys, like you, desire another’s meaning to fill in the gap in their own head. They are beggars for leadership and grovelers for authority. Little girls wanting to be taken; all safe in oblivion.

You know I was also banned from PhilosophyForums for a posting called What about Bob? but, I suspect your banishment had more to do with how annoyingly obtuse you are. You’re like a mosquito: tiny and harmless, but buzzing around and sucking blood, causing itches and general annoyance.
Now where’s my flyswatter?

He probably read Nietzsche for Dummies or picked up some analysis of his work.
his commentary, if he dares provide us with more than ‘Nietzsche was a pussy’ will only expose him as a regurgitator.

What has all these men-children in turmoil is the reminder about how emasculated, stupid and girlish they are.
This is their attempt to redeem their stunted manhood.

I love it.

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I knew you would say “No, I didn’t”. But just what is the purpose (Yes, even to your mind) of this exactly other than the three things of which I just pointed out?

Let’s get serious now, no more of this “you’re an idiot” nonsense. You point out that men are imposters, weak and feminised . What is irritating to me, however, is that it really doesn’t matter who people are exactly, because in principle, they are the same person struggling. The man who reads this won’t get anywhere from what he is already: An imposter who needs a blanket.

No, no more of this. Stop running away and answer me.
[quoteYou got me…now go away.[/quote]
It won’t go away, Satyr. I am only that voice in your head that won’t leave you alone: “Nothing will make a difference?”

Inside, that crying boy is you wanting to be released.

It may only be released now upon the time of your death.

No, that just solidifies more that man does not create meaning. Man just creates pointless window-dressing. I understood Nietzsche to be a man who couldn’t deal with reality. Common defence that “You don’t understand Nietzsche” may be correct in most places, but not here.

I’ve already been to that level. Arrogance won’t save you from the universe. And no, Satyr, not intelligent arrogance nor stupid arrogance.

I don’t desire anyone’s meaning. I desire that people turn their heads to the slave-master.

Don’t start with this “You hate yourself” rhetoric. Even if you did; does it really matter? Life hurts you; you hate it. Why is this so complicated to yourself?

I think we were banished for the same reason. We aren’t “angels”.They also must have thought you a superfluous mosquito.

Because you have enormous amounts of time, tell me about “What about Bob?”.

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Little boy, you already know many things.
Now, the thing you know most of all is that you get a meaning out of being noticed by me or you try to gain purpose by seeking the sense of power in being my better.
Too bad.

My dear imbecile, how you cope is your problem not mine.

An “impostor”, imbecile, implies an authenticity. There is none.
The ‘unreal’ implies the real. There can only be an illusion if one assumes that there’s a reality that eludes us otherwise you have to take the phenomenon at face value and only recognize that it is error that fools us or a will that attempts to deceive.
Error and deception are products of life and they have no other meaning outside it.

Who is fooling you? Who rapes you? You are a misanthropist who has taken mankind to be the totality of existence.
You are trapped in the environment of men, and dissatisfied with the world of men.
How you react to it, is all you.

What I’m running from is your complete mangling of what is being said and what is reality.
How can you debate ignorance and fight against straw men? They’re so flimsy that they reconstruct themselves continuously into another caricature.
Look at how many times you’ve reinvented what you are saying, even while your posts are based on erroneous dualistic reasoning with the only unchanging conclusion, the desirable one, that of your hatred for life (nothing more than indirect self-loathing) and misunderstandings.
Your reaction to reality is yours personally. that you want it to be universal is due to your cowardice and inferiority complex.
I’m not here to help you with your problems. Try Krimwest. I’m here to test my interpretations of reality and my awareness. You offer nothing in that respect.

You are a pretty, little dancer. Dance for me.

Help me, please!
Heeeelp me!!! :cry:

How beautifully you show yourself.
Tell me more about what I am. I’m listening…or not.

You don’t even understand what ‘creates’ means.
Without man there is no meaning…therefore…

That’s just your reaction to a meaning that doesn’t satisfy you or doesn’t offer a final fulfillment to your fragile ego.
Are you going to kill yourself, or what?

Your first sentence sort of contradicts the second one. Oops.

You’ve never read the pre-Socratic Greeks, have you? The Hellenic perspective?
Heraclitus?

Tell us about him. Who is this vile creature?

Life is reactive. Your reaction exposes your qualities and your essence.

Find it yourself.
I’m off to work.

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That’s irrelevant. You avoid the question because you don’t want the answer to come.

Don’t try these stupid games and name-calling.

The authenticity is a crying child, if you will, being kept under the surface. That’s what defines an “imposter” (Can be spelt both ways).

If you’re “the man”, can you at least answer me?

I do show myself that vision. I am the result of that being released on the surface.

You do realise that if you do “create”, it is “creating” figments of your imagination that cannot compensate for your realised worthlessness.

Can’t you simply accept window-dressing when you see it? Must I lie about everything?

Yes…I contradict myself. Anymore pointless nonsense?

You know him personally.
[quoteLife is reactive. Your reaction exposes your qualities or your essence.[/quote]
It actually exposes that you hate something hurting you. Why are you trying to make this complicated? As I said, likened to one of the simple creatures in the ocean reacting to a touch.

That might not be possible if it was deleted by one of the Administrators; which is highly likely.

Just give me a short explanation when you get back.

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I’m at work now but I’ve got a few minutes to play with the baby. It’s so cute!!

Whatever makes you happy, in a miserable kind of way.
Your reactions to reality are of no interest to me. Your emotional state is of no concern to me. The very description of ‘hating life’ is an emotional statement. You are a girl.

Others use the denial method to cope and other still use religion. You use this strategy of spreading your distress so that you feel relief in the sharing.
I’ve been there, done that.

Now, if you have something on-topic to say, fine, if not go away.

Deep.
So, it’s a reaction to need. Eventually the child grows strong enough to not cry…you still haven’t reached that stage and never will, by the looks of things.

Answer what, the words you put in my mouth?
You are debating the figments in your imagination.

You do know that it’s pathetic, right?
Like a grown man crying like that baby, that you mentioned earlier.
Are you begging for a daddy or a mommy to pick you up, are you hungry or did you just soil your diaper?
I can smell it…it smells like something nasty.

And?
What is worhtlessness, because as far as I know value is a human invention. Worthless to whom and for what reason?

When you realize that your reaction to reality is not the universal one, you’ll see that tryingh to make everyone as miserable as you is how a weakling avoids effort or responsibility.

I hate cherry-cola…but I do not try to convince everyone that they should hate it.

It just exposes the quality of your judgments.

Yes, we contemplated suicide together.

there is no you outside suffering.
How simple are you? There is no you being made to suffer. You are it.

It’s your simplicity that makes you tiresome.

No it’s there under the name Wanderer.

Nope, i ain’t your daddy, little boy.
You want something you go work for it or just sit there whining and crying.

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I’ve tried to question your essay with no avail in answers.

Post me the bloody link!I don’t want to become a member of philosophyforums.com again.

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Satyr,

OP = =D> .

Though I agree with your descriptions of the archetypes, and how each respective archetypes function and evolved, I must re-read the OP again to re-reflect and see what I do agree and what I don’t. But all in all, I enjoyed it and it is challenging and well-written.

One question though, will homosexuality as a defacto sexuality in the near-future really possible? Do expound on your theories.

By the way, may I ask your permission to quote your essay, especially on the part of the archetypes, in my blog and in future papers in respect to certain issues. I really liked the description and observations in it. Thanks!

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Once more you seek to gain that sense of self-importance and relevance.

You are a lazy thinker.
Here it is…a commentary on the average, modern American and, by default, the average modern westerner.
This got me banned, by the idiot Paul.
Too much painful ‘truth’ for his politically-correct, pseudo-intellectual mind to absorb.
you got banned because you are a man-child with nothing to say or do but annoy others into noticing you.
There you find your vengeful pleasure.

Well, I wouldn’t say that its a de facto certain future, because environments tend to change, and hopefully they will, but if things continue relatively unaltered then I imagine homosexuality will be another social option and lifestyle choice.
I perceive much inner conflict and neurosis arising from this as heterosexual males are urged by the culture to indulge in a practice that goes against their nature as it has evolved up to this point - a meme versus gene conflict.

Because of feminization, and the idolizing of feminine traits by a system that benefits from them, the cultural trend will make sex and sexuality a pastime or a practice expressing the adherence to a new ‘normality’.
As in many times of decadence sex will become trivial and rampant amongst the upper classes wishing to escape an existence they find mundane through uncontrolled hedonism - another form of escapism. Also the loss of severity in the sexual act, due to declining fertility, birth control technologies and overpopulation, will make it a remnant of a ‘primitive’ past whose only purpose now will be to satisfy the lingering natural inclinations that have not evolved out of the organism, and a means of social bonding/grooming, as in the Bonobo apes.
The secondary sexual functions will become primary and the primary secondary.

The emasculation of males does have, as it does in male wolves to mention one other species, an effect on their testosterone levels. This slight decline will result in great alterations when coupled with the general environment favoring feminine demeanors and chemical/hormonal pollutions with unimagined consequences.
An added factor can be added. That of increasing mutations due to population increases and rampant reproduction. Mutations that are not cleansed out of a genetic pool through the natural process of culling, but are protected and nurtured, sometimes allowed to reproduce resulting in genetic pollution.
See Aidan.

We already live in an era where a mature male can be disrespected and insulted by a child, and he has no other avenue of recourse than to go complain to an authority figure. We see here the maintenance of a sense of adolescence, even amongst adult males, and dependence even amongst the self-reliant.
This is a form of uniformity or leveling.

All natural attributes are being eliminated so as to be replaced by human constructs, such as equality and feminism, under the guise of fair-play - a very unnatural and contrived concept.
We find race, sex, heritage, maturity being obliterated as identifying attributes. In their place the individual finds identity through cultural constructs such as money or piety or service to the whole or some contrived self-effacing ideal.
The less sense of self you have the more easily you are integrated, and so self-consciousness is being decreased - stupidity.

The meek shall inherit the Earth. The rise of the human bee - a busy, bee indeed, caught up in the pursuit of resources and in consumerism. The dull dolt, finding a sense of value and identity in consuming and producing, or the self-hating half-wit escaping it all through dogmas that promise a relief from elf and the responsibility for self. Nihilism or Hedonism; the twin peeks of western man’s demise.
The death of Hellenism as the hands of the Judeo-Christian disease.

‘I am nothing’ or ‘I am not’ meant to erase the very sense of self so as to be replaced by the communal sense of SELF. The super-organism integrating lesser organisms into its dominion.
This idea of the ‘sanctity of life’ or humanitarianism, egalitarianism, altruism which attempts to make all individuals equally worthy of respect, love and life. The diminishing of distinction. The teaching of shame if one veers away from the dogma.

The only distinction allowed being that of value to the system or us/them, good/evil. A simplification that prohibits nuance and makes the mind dull.

Back to sexuality: With sex, as an identifying natural marker, the cultural desire to eliminate any lingering natural differences between the male/female archetypes makes homosexuality its necessary extension.
If an individual is trained/educated to think of itself as neither male or female or that this distinction is merely superficial and ‘physical’, then the individual can penetrate or be penetrated with equal significance. The act itself has lost, or is losing, its reproductive function and is now only a social function and a psychological mechanism. Ironically these latter were later developments of the sexual act - progress and enlightenment at play. The act itself, evolved for one purpose only, is now a social lubricant.

In this process of reprogramming the human mind is where the repression supression begins, as natural instinct conflict with cultural norms. We see the emergence of sexual deviants, expressing this stress through fantasies and bizarre sexual practices.
Necrophilia, for example, or bestiality, or Copranophilia and so on. These are extreme examples but more subtle practices such as role-playing or orgies or hyper-masculinity, as exemplified by the forum member Smears, can be symptoms of sexual repression and anxiety.
Over-compensating for a general feeling of dissatisfaction and inadequacy, manifesting itself as exaggeration or extreme displays of masculinity. The body-builder is another example.

Sure, why not?

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For what it’s worth (which is little), thanks.

Yes, Paul obviously doesn’t have a brain in his head if he’s going to say contradictory nonsense like “You are too busy rebelling to think for yourself”. Not to mention calling Plato And Nietzsche both “idiots”.

Rebelling is thinking for yourself, that mindless, weak, idiot…

See, we do agree on some things.

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Yes I agree I think this also happened during the decline of the Roman Empire.

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Aidan, in a world without moral order, the only “meaning” to be found is a “hedonist” meaning. You cannot find such a meaning because you suffer from reality.

“But to suffer from reality is to be a piece of reality that has come to grief [eine verunglückte Wirklichkeit sein]…”
[Nietzsche, The Antichrist(ian), section 15.]

Now because you are a piece of reality that has come to grief, you cannot imagine anyone enjoying this reality. This is because life is perspectival: and from your perspective everything looks miserable – even Satyr.

“This monk, with all the vengeful instincts of a shipwrecked [verunglückten] priest in his system, was outraged in Rome against the Renaissance…”
[ibid., section 61.]

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and is not all debate an attempt to convince, dominate, seduce, the other to your perspective?

A power struggle.
Even the weak, in their miserable vengeance, try to find power in the powerlessness.

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I cannot find meaning because “I suffer”? Isn’t it actually that you suffer because there is no meaning?

Nichts ist tragisch. Alles ist unwirklich. Ja, Sauwelios?

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You could say that, Satyr. To me, we’re in the same situation with the same principles.

I hate to tell you this, but your words are your miserable vengeance just as mine are.

We despise this world. If you think duality is the key to everything…so be it.

I only come to prove there’s no need to “love” life in order for you to live it.