The Five Great Inspirations of Man

There are five great inspirations of man.
Each one initiated a New Age of conscious development.

2.5 Million B.C. I am separate!
20,000 B.C. I can plant a seed!
4000 B.C. There is only One God!
500 B.C. I can define the Nature of God!
1905 A.D. Mass is energy!

The final two inspirations, in Ages yet to come:
Energy is Divine
I am God

I like :sunglasses:

i hate to do this, given how terribly the man has been bastardized around here, but it is nonetheless necessary:

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I should believe only in a God who understood how to dance.

And when I beheld my devil, I found him serious, thorough, profound, solemn: it was the Spirit of Gravity – through him all things are ruined.

One does not kill by anger but by laughter. Come, let us kill the Spirit of Gravity!

I have learned to walk: since then I have run; I have learned to fly: since then I do not have to be pushed in order to move.

Now I am nimble, now I fly, now I see myself under myself, now a god dances within me."

Thus spoke Zarathustra.

Sounds like William Blake was, in your opinion, way ahead of his time.

The final two inspirations, in Ages yet to come

There is god,

but no one know him

I like to dance too :sunglasses: Very apt. =D>

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Shit! I am going to have to revise my opinion about some of you guys. I was beginning to wonder :smiley:

^^ Let me then reassure you of your opinion of me.

You’re an idiot. And so are you, unoriginal, if you buy into his crap.

Ask him what he thinks god and divine are.

Without Contraries is no progression. Attraction and Repulsion, Reason and Energy, Love and Hate, are necessary to Human existence.
From these contraries spring what the religious call Good & Evil. Good is the passive that obeys Reason. Evil is the active springing from Energy.

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the following Contraries to these are True

  1. Man has no Body distinct from his Soul…
  2. Energy is the only life…
    3 Energy is Eternal Delight
    …Those who restrain desire, do so because theirs is weak enough to be restrained; and the restrainer or reason usurps its place & governs the unwilling…

…He who desires but acts not, breeds pestilence…

…Opposition is true Friendship…

-William Blake, The Marriage of Heaven and Hell

Which “crap” are you referring to?

I assure I am not buying into his crap, because I know where his words came from. And I think he knows too… :-k

Why would I care what MM thinks of god and the divine? I only care where he is right or wrong in reference to me.

You forgot:

200,000 B.C. I can vocalize my thoughts and communicate them to others.
3000 B.C. I can inscribe my thoughts and communicate them to others better.

I would also place your ‘I am separate’ to around 200,000 B.C. as that is when modern homo sapien sapiens appeared on the scene. I don’t think any primate thought in much abstract terms at all before then.

I also think the insight that there is more to the world than what one can see, touch, or feel in any tangible way deserves a place somewhere, but that probably comes hardwired with the species, placing not long after its advent.

Well, I guess you’ve attained those two already - thanks on behalf of mankind :smiley:

Nice tread subject man!
I can see there are some progressionists in the house tonight. Im not sure if I agree that the majority of the Earths population is up to speed on Einstien 50% have never made or recieved a phone call, over 75% probably never heard of relativity.
I dont think Austrealpithacus was quite up to much complex thinking. But that just a question of the dates and may be beside the point. What separates man from nature is culture. And not the result of divine intervention. Its the result of a series of catastrophes and periods of stability . There is no scintilla of evidence none, to support a phisical or spiritual separation. It is not a sound aurgument it is not the logic upon how the biological world was built.
Tell me what is it what is the logic behind what separates you from nature? Grind grain into bread, grapes into wine. Take this and eat from it, as life eats of you, for we are all food for eachother. Amen.
Phoebus makes soom good points that I agree with also.
Opposition is true freindship.
Without contraries there is no progression.

Mitochondrial DNA traces all human cultures back to the San Bushmen of the Kalahari.
We also know that humans first migrated out of Africa into the Middle East and Europe around 130 thousand years ago.
The brain of Cro-Magnon was fully formed when he arrived in Europe.
We know nothing of what happened during the time it took to for our specie to gradually migrate across the 6000 miles that separate South Africa from Europe.
So how long did that take for the brain to fully develop?

There are four crucial things about our origins that we do not know.

We have not defined the distinction between a hominid consciousness and human consciousness
We do not know when it happened
We do not know how it happened
We do mot know why it happened

The net result of this ignorance as to our origins is a global-wide confusion on every front of human interaction: About race, culture, politics, economics, religion, science and everything else that drives us to into wars and depressions. We simply do now know who we are, why we exist and what the reason for it is.

It is my conviction that if we can come to a consensus on the above four questions, we can then move forward together, step by step and gradually define the exact reason for our being.

I believe that I resolved those initial four riddles forty years ago while living and researching in South Africa.

It has been my hope, ever since I joined this forum that I could engage the members in a serious investigation into the origins, purpose and destination of the evolution of human consciousness.

I will not argue that I have come to the correct conclusions.
I will simply explain how and why I came to them and see if you agree, and if not, we can discuss the reasons why.
If enough of us engage in this, it is possible we may end up in a consensus. If that miracle should happen, the magnitude
of its wider consequences are unimaginable.

For those interested:

2.5 million B.C.E. I AM SEPARATE

I arrived at the date by looking for embellishments in crude hominid tools and weapons. I was looking for something more than just crude attempts to fashion them into increased efficiency. Chimps do that. There is no survival treason for embellishment. It requires Ego, It require leisure time. I wanted something that showed a distinct stamp of personal ownership - of craftsmanship.

There is enough collected evidence in museums that such personal embellishment began to take place around 2.5 million years ago. I believe at that time, enough neuron connections took place between the left and right hemispheres of a gradually enlargement hominid cortex for the dim beginning of a human ego to emerge. An internal dialogue began to take place between the two brains. For the first time in creation an individual consciousness saw itself as separate from all other consciousnesses.

In this way I answered for myself the first three questions.
A self-reflecting ego defines human consciousness.
It happened around 2.5 million years ago
It was caused by a sense of separation

If there is any argument on this, let us discuss it and find a consensus.

We can then move onto the more subjective question of WHY did it happen?
What was the survival advantage of Nature evolving a human Ego?
Why did She do it?
Is there some long-term design?

All First Causes are about survival MM. Consciousness was developed to aid the survival of its organisms.

Rocks may want to become human, but their comparative lack of consciousness leaves them as helpless rocks.

It was necessary to 1) differentiate ‘self’ from ‘other’ and 2) protect the ‘self’ from all ‘others’, at all costs.

She didn’t do anything; He did.

Yes.

Good point. It took it from there. I posed this anomaly for myself. If all other 255 specie of primate evolved to a position of symbiosis in every ecological system that could support our specie, then stayed there without further conscious movement, why,then, would only one kind make a quantum leap forward?. What possible extreme ecological system out of the 255 existing ones our specie occupy, would be so challenging that basic primate smarts required another evolutionary step?

I am open to answers.

As I said, we cannot move forward unless we arrive at a consensus right from the start.

I take it that we agree on the start date and spark of the first ego as the definition of a distinctly human consciousness?

We will talk about rock consciousness much later, if we manage to get there, via consensus.

It is generally accepted that Mother Nature is She.
We will be discussing general consciousness as we go.
Who He is will be examined right at the end.

I am glad you agree. Now lets us see if we can prove it.

Simple: competition.

There are generally-eight lanes in the 100-meter sprint race. There is only one winner that we accept. Humans got here first.

I do not agree on any “dates”, because you cannot quantify these kinds of events in this way. You are estimating a distance.

The actual realities of said-occurrences exist outside the depth of time. Humanity may have been born yesterday for all we know.

Mother Nature is not responsible for consciousness. That was my point.

She just allows it to be possible. She does not create the thought.

You cannot “prove” what will happen tomorrow. You can only predict it through systems of probabilities.

What seems probable is that the human specie is evolving right now at an unknown acceleration that depends on an unknown constant.

Biologically modern yes but not behaviorly modern. There is no evidence that they behaved modern until 40,000 yrs ago.

We know they migrated and reached Austrailia not long after leaving Africa.

You mean to go through the the 5 great inspirations? The question I would greatly like you to explain is, why you call them the 5 Great Inspirations this statement is so loaded with vitalism and puposefulness.

There is no difference.

We know aproximately.
Its was the results of feed back loops like a dexterous hand, complex mating rituals, social relationships, ect. and catastrophes. I myself would call them the 5 great catastropheses.
I think you know why it happened.

So its the tool that hurled us into a new consciousness?

t may be the single most catastrophic event in the history of the world.

Austrealpithicus was a complete dullard. If you looked into the eyes of homo erectus you would not recognize anything you could recognize as human you would more than likely be prey to him. There is no reason to believe that this separation took place so far in the past.

The last one has been done by many people.
In India, it’s documented since at least a few thousands years, I guess.

And if your god is everything, we are all god, evidently.

That is what Darwin said about 3 billion other specie. But it does not entirely explain why we blew away the competition to the extent we have. There is no survival milieu in Nature so hard to master that it requires a brain our size. If we go back into the jungle we would not need smarts any better than a gorilla. Like I said, the question WHY is subjective. We can argue over it forever. So we have to project it further into the investigation and see if that reveals a more complete answer

Carbon dating is pretty accurate.The first stone implements that are stamped with a sense of personal style date back 2.5 million years. Before than nothing. After that, an eventual Mazzaratti. If you do not accept that it took the birth of an ego to embellish an implement - why would a hominid waste valuable survival time doing that?. Explain more clearly where you think I err.
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I am not sure what you are driving at. Hunter/gatherer behavior is related to environmental imperatives. Men hunt, women and children gather, then they share the spoils. Period. If you put a modern group in a primitive environment it will behave no differently to a hunter/gatherer group two million years ago.

Man arrived in Australia 70 thousand years after leaving Africa.

I am separate. The birth of the human ego. The beginning of the Stone Age
I can plant a seed. The birth of agriculture. The beginning of the Bronze Age
There is only One God. The birth of script. The beginning of the Iron Age
I can define God. The birth of scientific self determination. The beginning of the Steel Age
Mass is energy. The marriage of physics and metaphysics. The beginning of the Nuclear Age

The first hominids appeared roughly 6 to 8 million years ago. There is no evidence that any homonid had an ego strong enough to personalize his own tools.
Explain your reasoning.

All primates are subject to those exigencies. That did not make them human

You have missed the point. The first embellished stone tool provides evidence that our brain made a quantum leap into a human consciousness.

Possibly. It also may turn out in the end to be the single most miraculous event to happen in the Cosmos.

I am not suggesting that the first spark of human intelligence scored high on I.Q.

MM wrote:

So your saying it took a suspention of the laws of nature for it to happen.