Will Evolution one day be accepted wholly, by all peoples?
Will…one day…evolution and religion come to live side by side?
Or will the idea of man, descending from a lower species always have a bitter taste in our mouths.
The beauty of evolution is, it offers a non-religious,
view of the universe, that answers all the key questions
of the universe but one. the why and that is the best part.
The why, we can provide from our experiences. If there is a
god, then the why comes from him, if we have evolution, then we
provide the why. If god exist, then, then I am simple renting
my life, if evolution exist, then my life is MY life, no one Else’s.
Kropotkin
Max: fascinating…well written…bravo sir.
How bout we just combine the two into Evoligion?
Seriously though, I have a strong suspicion we evolved from what primitive man would have referred to as ‘god’
Might work , can’t be too sure i don’t support religion or evolution.
then explain your suspicion…
I will… soon enough. Need some more info though.
ok , then i guess we shall wait another 50 years lol.
Another?
Anyways… it’ll likely be 2-4 so… if you wanna wait that long.
Perhaps that day is already upon us. Is it clear that both are not mere religion?
I would say that when men stop seeking the truth…when they start trusting blindly…evolution and religion will live side by side and few will know it.
I don’t think it has been established that if we were created we can’t have free will.
Well I think that wave-based-life started to evolve before organic life on earth did (“God” evolved, but "God/“angels”/whateverthehellelse is a more evolved species then us, and is made of 0scilation instead of biomatter).
My idea is non-biblical, and provides explanation for all supernaturals without need of a single ID creationist.
Instead of molecular DNA structure, wave-based-life uses vibration based information code [0scilation and infinite sub0scilation]–stored upon, or in need of a quantu medium.
Scientists study the physical, are mostly atheist and protest against unorthadox claims. Religion tries to hold true to some sort of acient, “spiritually enlightened” leader. Occult is methodologies of interaction with general supernaturals [this can be natural, higher brain function, or interaction with non-physical “beings”/forces, etc].
Did they ever just all get together and see passed their own misunderstandings? No. They hate eachother or misunderstand eachother! But each of them are trying to know and control the same thing, whilst each having drastically different methodologies.
But suppose Dan~ is right?
1000110101 positive/negative electrons of [something like] a byte on a PC. This is information, and all information is symbolism [which is a structure].
why is a huge chain of electrons [digital data] or chemical bonds [DNA] so much harder then a single 0scilation with sub0scilations!? What if it’s not?
You should know that
1000110101
requires far more energy then
1.000110101
but each value can be utilized in the same eventual way;
the only problem lays in the processing/application.
Using simple FM synthesis on a single wave,
I made an example of sound wave 0scilation with sub0scilations,
based on asending x10 values:
And here is a stable geometry of the frequency spectrum/average,
which becomes relative the sub0scilation processing algorithm.
But I think you find more satisfaction in posting questions like:
“What color was Jesus’s hair?”
And that’s as far as it ever goes with you all.
Estimation:
Maybe only The_Watcher understands me here.
To the rest?:
Ignore me. Contradict me. Forget me.
Dan~…so you are saying that you thought up the idea that life is based on waves or energy?
I don’t think your theory is correct because you use things within this universe to explain something that is outside of it. if there was a God… he would not be subject to the constraint of this universe because he created this universe.
Your mind is bound to the limits of this universe and you also try to bind God.
Something Else,
Dan is using contemporary language to convery the (meta)physical things he’s talking about here. As he alluded to, if you’re not ‘in the know’ through some sort of direct epistemological sense, it’s going to be hard for you to follow this.
Dan,
I really like that… you actually just blew my mind, but to be fair… I just saw an episode of Elimidate that blew my mind - but I digress.
Can you explain the following.
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A definition of 0scilation and infinite sub0scilation the best you can.
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The Graphs.
Will an evolutionary theory as taught ever reach the subtlety not to deny religion’s central place in the universe?
There is at least one prominent priest-paleontologist who wrote on evolution.
…
Descending 0scilation with 6 sub0scilations:
1.01001
This contains 1.01001 of energy.
Same code in bit format [positive/negative electrons, digital]
101001
This took 3.0 energy to “create”–if all digits were previously 0 and a few were selectively programmed.
Do decimal points have limits? No.
There can be
1.01001010100111101010100101001010000001010101010101001010101001011101111010000010101010011111010101111010100001010100111
Which only took about 1.01 energy to “create”.
And then there is the digital:
101001010100111101010100101001010000001010101010101001010101001011101111010000010101010011111010101111010100001010100111
which probably took about <40 energy to “create”.
And now we see–with basically 1 unit of energy, properly programming the wave [in a very precise way] we can still program infinite data onto 1 wave, whilst expending hardly any energy at all when “doing” that.
I don’t think that geometry has a size limit, do you?
And once geometry becomes “language” (a symbolic sequence)
Then the shape of a wave can store infinite “language” (each unit of language being x10 smaller then the first).
If the medium storing/posessing the wave is stable enough [does not damage the wave, prepetuates the wave]–then we have infinite data on something like an atom, preserved perfectly forever.
The real problem is:
processing the 0scilation.
Either ascending [x10, x10, x10]
or desncending [+/10, +/100, +/1000]
The recignition of the language/data of the wave must be either more pricise, or more fantastic.
Example:
Computer_A can handle values that have 40 decimal places per second.
Computer_B can handle values that have 20 decimal places per second.
if each digit was a unit of data,
Computer_A would process 40 units per second
Computer_B would process 20 units per second.
The processing power of decimal data is not based on volume [100Hz per second], the processing “power” of decimal data is based on precition [100decimal places].
It is no longer a question of “power”/“strength”–it is a question of precition, handling very tiny processes.
If each unit of data in Computer_A required 1 energy to process
But each unit of data in Computer_B required a decimal of energy to process:
Computer_A would use 40 energy per second
and Computer_B would use an everage 1.0555 energy per second.
Computer_A’s “power” would then be additional, only stronger when having more volume.
Computer_B’s “power” would be decimal, only “stronger” when more precise. Precition & small geometry are used in descending sub0scilation data/language.
It is theoretically possible for this to now happen on the large scale:
Computer_C processes units of energy per second, and creates 1,000,000,000 units of energy per second. It uses 1,000,000,000Hz of power per second. (Is that wasteful??? that’s allot of energy.
Computer_D processes descending sub0scilations, and can handle 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 units of data per second.
Using about 1.055Hz of energy per second.
Computer_D could process a trillion+ times as many units of data per second as compter C, whilst using up one millionth the amount of energy per second.
Theoretically, yes, it is possible.
Problem:
Handling and applying that man decimal points at once.
So, what I thougt [was]:
“If ‘angels’, ‘demons’ and ‘gods’ exist, and they are not ‘made of’ matter–they are probably ‘made of’ 0scilation.”
Non-biological life “evolved” before life on earth.
It did not need to eat or sleep to survive, it merely needed to 0scilate properly.
This is all just theoretical, supporting the possibility of an end that I don’t have a means to.
Not to discount all the science you brought us, but this part interested me, as I have wondered if spiritual beings might be a form which passes through matter, like a wave. The question for/beyond physical science is, what keeps the oscillations oscillating?
I know, and I think anyone reading this should keep that in mind.
But you’re orbiting around the same planet of thought that I currently am. What we are talking about here is the pinnacle of what I’ve been able to discover about the universe so far. The quantum field seems to be a type of intermediary. The zero point field and it’s limitless energy that many theorize about may in fact be the potentiality to harness the type of energy that you are talking about - the precise utilization of your 0cilliation theory. This fits somewhat into contemporary physics in that once we hit the quantum level, multiverse type stuff starts to pour out.
Like you said, I don’t think we can so much utilize this power through conventional technology, but rather through our intepretation of this source. Hmm… perhaps, ironically it is a consciousness* is what creates the ‘nothing’ factor we see in the physical world, the… (thinks how to word this) intervals that allow us to comprehend time. But this all stems from this potentiality, let’s just call it ‘The Tao’ for lack of a better word.
This is likely to get this thread monitored even more than this site already is, but have you ever heard of reptillian-like creatures that have the ability to adjust their frequencies, their… oscillations? It’s funny how much your theory actually parallels what I originally perceived to be a rather incredible claim that there are beings (aliens to some) who can effectively shift their form shapewise, and effecitvely dimensionally. I saw this on DISCOVERY just a month ago. It gets political after that, but you get the point.
The world is on the tip of a paradigm shift beyond most people’s dreams, it’s a tip that’s been there all along. It’s our little needle point in the giant pincushion of the cosmos. I hope you’re around to see it.
Keep taking those meds buddy 
*This, despite elusive now, will prove to be the key to discovering just what type of pen we are using to write the physical story we seem to be in.
Gobbo,
I suspect upon reading this last post, that one of us must be stoned.
Okay, this is a hard Q.
I will ask this also at the physics forum; hopefuly they can help me out.
Remember that if the oscillations don’t have any wasted energy [no friction/reactions with other particles/waves] then they will last forever, uncorrupted.
But I am unsure about this. Maybe it is a subatomic vibration; the effects of a wave upon a particle, programming that particle to vibrate at the exact 0scilation&sub0scilation frequencies, and from there:
The subatomic particle can emit more waves that can program other particles?
I do not know.
Yes, I will try my very best to live as long as possible.
I took lots of BlackWalnut captules today because tapeworms that don’t stay in your gut–can get deadly.
And I don’t feel as bad as I did months ago.
Allot of the things that I personally write down or think of–I don’t post.
I made a little rant to myself, for example, just today–about “quantriborgs” that would be part bioligical, part robot and part 0scillation. Some highbred of “man”, “machine” and “spirit” life. I was yacking about the moore’s law and how expotential information technology is, and how human’s main survival tool is the brain, the information processing–therefor human evolution will become as expotential as the technology of the rapidly progressing information age, and beyond.
I’ve wrote a bit of fiction about the subject.
A pleodimensional being was one of the higher forms of life in that book, and below that where interdimensionals/eternals. Above the pleodimensional being’s class of life there is the animate-self-stabilizing-reality-being, something like a miniture universe that is self-conscious, etc.
But that’s all too fantastic!
Any “alien” capable of dimension shifting is capable of so much, and even one of them could change the world if it really wanted to. I constantly resist ideas of absolutely superior “higher beings” because of my theory that their potential effect on us should have been actuated by now. More likely, IMO, the 0scillation based life has limits [just like material based life has limits] and whatever handfull of mutants, superhumans and Real-Magick practicers have ever been able to partially communicate with these beings–these people don’t actually have it all-that-much better then we do. They still live and die, have weaknesses, make allot of mastakes, etc.
I will sound like a nut if I start to “get into” certian other more personal aspects of this subject, but I hope that The_Watcher sees this thread soon, and I will talk to him more about it personally aswel.
He’s been a great help to me thusfar, IMO.
No. Even at it’s propagandist height (right now) it is accepted by less than 50% of people.
Regardless of that, no belief system has ever dominated completely.
They already do - it’s those ‘liberal’ evolutionists who want to rid the world of any contrasting beliefs. Good old liberal fascism…
‘Descending’ from a ‘lower’ species would be the opposite of evolution. Nonetheless, what I want to know is why things like apes and fish still exist if we’re supposed to have evolved out of them? Why haven’t the apes either
a) evolved or
b) died out
?
My understanding of evolution is woefully shabby but I thought that natural selection meant that weaker animals died. If we’re stronger, why haven’t the weaker versions (of us) died?
I’m not sure myself, but I recall two options according to theory.
For Darwin, a stronger variety of a species “wins out” when it competes over the same territory. If the varieties are kept separate they would evolve in parallel.
In another theory, several animals may evolve to take the place of a species that has become extinct. So the lost species no longer exist, but only those who outlived them.
But then, I wonder why cro-magnons out-evolved the sturdier-looking, neandrethal.
In any case, the thinkers speak of the species dying, not just the individuals.