The goal of humans is to get stronger

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Sex is not the goal of living beings. But to get stronger

A nice guy to get down these days is none other than the german philosopher of the superman and will to power, Fredrich Nietzsche. Nietzsche’s values were about the values he wrote. Indeed he was an overman (the goal). Remember that his values were/are not the neo-liberal values which today’s neo-liberal democracies live on. Sex for Nietzsche was like a basic need. Not like in Miami for instance where u would see a whole road full of motels (haha)
The core of modern neo-liberal democratic values lie on economical-production (GDP), materialism, and hedonism (pleasure) , which are/were not the basis of a democratic-socialist system or a socialist-aristocratic system. I know we cannot have fascists dictatorships, Empires, lazy Neros, or fascists Caesars again. But even within the context of a democratic-system we can have something different than this neoliberal, hedonist, materialist, egocentric, competition, elitist, consumerist slave-master system that neoliberal-democracy is founded on which subdivides the individual into mass production zones (factories, offices, apartment complexes, etc.)
The founding fathers (inventors) of U.S.A, and the re-inventors of Democracy at the Englightenment just wanted an independence from U.K, and a little bit of more freedom. they didn’t have higher goals. I mean they were strong, independent and optimistic, but no way in their minds they wanted to re-create a would-be empire of complete men. That’s why you see our society, without a guide, without goals, Values, goals so they give in to the most extreme drugs and decadent behaviour. When people feel bored, they wouldn’t read a book, they would go out and have sex. to fill their emptiness, that emptiness is also physiologically related, from low levels of neurotransmitters and some other hormone problems.
Nietzsche clearly stated it that development of the whole world and nations should start in their physiology, and then everything comes as consequence. That is not the case in modern neoliberal-democracy. That means that we as new-philosophers (overmen-the-goal) must destroy old values, give way to new values and into the hegemony/predominance of physiology over politics, philosophy, economics and religion.
Nietzsche might have used or might have not used prostitutes. Nietzsche clearly said once “Like if the goals of humans were sex and profit”. He said the goal of humans and all living beings is to get stronger, sex and effort are just tools. The goal of Nietzsche was to write higher works and to disect human’s problems and to find an answer to this weak mankind, to weak men. he studied animals, the animal world and it worked. N noticed the strengthetening of cells, protoplasms, eggs. And why then most humans instead of getting stronger got weaker and weaker throught their lives, so he thought how can some living organism get stronger while humans get more decadent., weaker and sick.
In the sex issue, Nietzsche wasn’t a baby face Hollywood model, his goal was to get stronger, and he did get stronger. He might not lifted a 400 KG weight, but he sure was a heavy-weight champion one of his kind elite writter.

PunkNietzsche

“We Gotta Get Out’a This Place” - The Animals

Bibliography

The Will To Power; Fredrich Nietzsche

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Greetings Punk!
from Nietzsche as a pre cursor to the existentialists, development and self transcendence is the most meaningful way of life and the only way to authentic Being. your ‘getting stronger’ here would parallel that.
anything can be a goal, as Nietzsche said, “humanity still has no goal”… but you create your own goals, be it sex, pleasure, material, whatever.
however the overman seeks to “go over” - develop and transcend himself, or get stronger in every aspect of himself. that is not the goal of mankind as a whole, that is the goal of the overman.

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Just a note of nit-picking. Nietzsche was a pre-cursor of nihilists, the militant left-wing of existentialism. Existentialists existed before Nietzsche.

Punknietzsche, I would first question what you mean by your resolution you put forwards. Do you mean individual living beings, orl iving beings in general. You are certainly correct if you mean living beings in general as you can see dominance of the strongest in nature (the alpha male) or where the best adapted of a specis survive.

However if you are refering to individuals of a species, saying for example: “your goal should be to get stronger,” I should like to counter with nietzsche’s own will to power. My goal, is whatever I will myself to do. Man makes his own end.

Of course this depends on waht you mean by goal too. Blah, my train of thought jsut de-railed, I’ll continue later.

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Well indeed, i think nietzsche’s favorite social system would be workers-democracy a self-legislature system in which we are all important

PunkNIetzsche

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— Nietzsche’s obsession with physiology has always been a bit problematic for me, but nevertheless, it remains beneath the surface of his published writings.

Nietzsche said in the Twilight of the idols, as well as in his notebooks, “That which does not kill us, makes us stronger.” But Nietzsche’s conception of will to power (Machtgefuhl?) is of a more general and elevated nature than that which is usually attributed to him.
He spoke of the individual overcoming himself. “become who you are” exclaims this philosopher which will have no philosophy antecedent to that of life.

punkNietzsche confided:

I’ve perused the Nietzschean corpus several times and don’t remember running across that, perhaps you could enlighten me. Nietzsche clearly thought sex the father of a lot of cultural innovations ((sublimation), see my thread that i am losing in the chamber). Nietzsche thought the differences between the sexes needed to become greater in order to produce greatness. “One must have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing star.” Thus spoke Zarathustra F.N. but even the height differential has lessened since australopithecines.

PunkNietzsche, Have you read the will to power?

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Humans’ goals are the same as any animals’ goals. To survive and to reproduce. A mixture of the 2. They are the 2 basic needs for maintaining life that everything that anyone does boils down to.

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Marshal McDaniel wrote:

““become who you are” exclaims this philosopher which will have no philosophy antecedent to that of life”

Is it really possible NOT to be “who you are”?

If you are NOT realizing your goal and NOT “getting stronger” – well, that’s what you are…

And is there any philosophy “antecedent to life”?

I mean, that ANY philosophy is a reflexion of desires, aspirations and perceptions of a conscious being, and even if it calls for self-destruction – well, that’s just another part of life…

So the philosophy of Nietzsche, in the way you put it, looks like a mere tautology.

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Thank you for your interesting inquiries Somov.

Sartre’s “bad faith” may be relevant here too, but my main argument follows. It is very possible to not be yourself. The next time you are in a large social gathering, look around you, at how many are trying to please other people, at how many get reflected glory because their son, for example, is doing well in college. The philosopher Ayn Rand introduced the notion of the “second hander”. People who live their life vicariously, who, if asked to take an inventory of themselves would have to gather everyone they know together, because they have sold their individualism a hundred times. You think Faust sold his soul to the devil? Yes, but today’s devil has many faces and is called mob.

There are a lot of philosophies inimical to life that people nevertheless adopt into their lives everyday. They choose some pious lie that has absolutely nothing to do with loving, caring, and sharing with others on this earth that we hold in common.

In order to become stronger we must love ourselves so that we can love others, not the other way around, and “all love is beyond good and evil” Friedrich Nietzsche.

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(Albeit I used to be German…or I’m “Made in Germany”) I don’t know a thing about Nietzsche. I do my own reasoning: I believe the greatest goal of humankind is to recognize our inherited positive and negative (mental, emotional and physical) pre-dispositions, unique abilities and talents. Next, to dismantle the negative ones and develop the positive ones. In doing so, this will enable us to systematically, regularly and adequately fulfil our genetic pre-dispositions (or genetic default values) and enjoy highest-possible, innermost, lasting contentment or quality of life. (Thus, to become stronger, taller, fatter etc. are secondary considerations…) jjj

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the goal of mankind? none. there is no goal of living beings, at least not an objective one except for that which you make for yourself.

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…O.K., but in order to minimize suffering one has to learn how to act logically correct. The difference between enjoying and suffering made me come to that conclusion. Maybe you don’t mind suffering? Then of course you are free to walk into the traffic…or lake. Hoping you’ll survive this lesson…could be then that you are going to think of ways to minimize suffering and/or increase you quality of life. Like it or not nature is in charge and we are advised to co-operate with nature. jjj

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1.) Knowing something about Nietzsche and thinking for oneself are not binary opposites. The two, either one, or neither one can exist in any individual. This is an example of ‘logical correctness’
jjj said:

Francis (not Roger) Bacon said:

I’m not so sure that all suffering should be avoided. One should always have one’s trials by fire ready at hand. (Marshall McDaniel)

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I agree with Silhouette. I also want to say that once an organism is perfectly adapted to its environment, it changes very little. This suggests that the goal of a living organism is to become perfectly suited to its environment. We (humans) don’t really need to adapt to our environment, because we can change our environment to suit us!