I’m unsure about the Golden Dawn, lean towards support.
I’m undecided about the Golden Dawn
I’m unsure about the Golden Dawn,lean towards opposition.
I hate those ebul Natzifascists!
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I see there isn’t a thread dedicated to this Fascinating politcal movement so i’ve decided to make one.
The Golden Dawn is a National Socialist party from Greece that has been gaining widespread recognition (and hysteria) from the international media. Their popularity has surged since the financial crises that has plauged greece.
Along with their policy of Direct action to attack issues such as poverty, food shortages and illegal immigration and related crime by migrants.
That insignia reminds me of the Hilbert curve in mathematics. Being Grecian, I have to wonder what philosophical thought is behind that choice… and thus their form of socialism.
But in globalist socialism (the G8) dis-permits any true national socialism; “Thou shalt NOT be independent!”
So the Greek government now sufficently scared and trying to find an excuse, use the murder of Pavlos Fyssas an anti-fa Greek rapper by an alleged supporter of the Golden Dawn in order to charge the GD as a criminal organization.
And have now gone about arresting Golden Dawn leaders/Members.
This is quite similiar to an incident in France where anti-fa Clément Méric was killed attempting to strike an alleged skinhead from behind (the skinhead defended himself and after punching the antifa,Clément fell back and hit his head on the divider poles between the street and sidewalk. Killing him), which the Frecnh goverment used as an excuse to ban all “far-right” French Nationalist organizations.
This is blatent political oppression and shows the hypocrisy of these “Tolerant” and “Democratic” governments.
The establishment will not allow any formation of a organized political structure that itself cannot control fascist or otherwise.
Are you surprised at this Stoic?
The revolution will not be politicized and considering they control all the airwaves it won’t be televised either. There is only one way to destroy the international oligarchy in place. You and many others already know what that is. It’s called risk and reward for a reason.
So far nobody wants to organize themselves for the task because of the risk and sacrifices it poses, but the time will come where people will be forced into that decision process against their will whether they like it or not as the paradigm will shift inevitably.
There is no reforming the system. People need to get that out of their heads. It simply must be burned to the ground and be allowed to die.
Not a bit, it was only a matter of time until they pulled something like this.
They were just waiting for an excuse
Obviously, people are too comfortable with the luxuries (and i use that term very loosely) the establishment kicks down to them, and too busy with their own personal affairs to the point where a majority of people (even if they may be sympathetic to certain ideas) will just go with the flow.
This I beleive is true more and more each day. I don’t beleive we’ve reached such a point of degeneraacy and decay as of yet, but I am pessimistic that any reforms will be implemented that could stop the rot.
Exactly - the revolution is against politics as such.
It’s in very general terms toward a non-representative, value-production (rather than projection) based economy.
As always in a crisis, it’s a matter of both courage and ‘wits’ - which means in this case of existential depth, philosophy. Being ahead of the curve is a balancing act.
I just had an image of it as a giant oak breaking out of the Earth underneath the edifices of State. The more elegant, flexible institutions will remain functional in terms of the new power (which, if we endure, will be a millennia spanning struggle of inconceivable proportions and fruit), the molochs will crumble. According to Kriswest these don’t have much hard substance anyhow, which is interesting to take note of as a possibility.
The theory of the butterfly imposes itself -
the idea that the current corporate structure is a caterpillar and/or cocoon of sorts. Or a caterpillar which has since 1913, 1933, 1989, 2001, whatever - turned into a cocoon, an apparently dead hollow structure.
The butterfly’s character can only be contested now - I guess the question, the coming century, will be: are those who take power not ‘evil’ in leaving the weight of our ancestral history behind? This period will be the official burial ceremony of Our Lord.
With these kinds of movements it is often hard to tell what they really Believe. Of course this is true, in general in politics, everyone presenting a certain kind of facade and then going ahead and doing something else when in Power.
One problem I see with them is the leader stating they will ‘take back Istanbul and the Black SEa.’ It has been a Turkish City since the 1400s and is the center of their nation in a number of ways. The Greeks have as much right to that city as Native Americans have to, well, MOST OF THE AMERICAS.
He also seems to have said he and the party is racist.
Actually I often agree with some or even many parts of populist movements. I share their distrust of Corporations - though some are very naive about this facet of their program and it never seems to end up coming to anything - and distrust of banks. They do tend to get dismissed in toto, when in fact many things they say are quite reasonable and/or match opinions of so many people that the ideas must be debated and with respect.
I like it how these liberal, democratic, and socialist countries see themselves somehow as different versus more out in the open fascist ideologies or governments. The reality is they’re equally fascist compared to the other.
They preach tolerance and understanding, yet afford none to those that might threaten their power.
No the’re not, you’re continuing to use the bastardized version of the word “Fascist” which the establishment has cunnily helped shape into a byword for all of it’s own evils, then when they do something despicable (Such as numerous things Fascism in fact opposes) the people are already conditioned to reject the most viable alternative.
Explicitly racist. And violent—the party has been linked to more than 300 assaults on migrants. They found a framed picture of Hitler in the leader’s house. The leader was recently taken in for allegedly being involved in a murder by a member, based on alleged phone conversations. He condemned the murder, but what do you expect when you call certain people “subhuman” and blame your problems on them? Where do you think the party member who actually stabbed the guy gets it? I wonder…
You have violent, tribal, hierarchical, emotion-driven people calling others “subhuman”. --It’s idiotic. They may as well be swinging from a tree throwing bananas and calling other people “subhuman”. They’re alreay carrying around clubs on the street. It’s not funny, it’s…I don’t even have the words for it. Heart-breaking.
Many of these assaults are made to clear Greek cities of illegal migrant criminals.
In fact a large amount of Suppor fro mthe GD is that they do the jobs that the police should be doing, the Greek people see this and they appreaciate it.
And?
The guy stabbed was Greek, also which people are they calling subhuman and do you understand the context of it?
Not sure he was a party member, from what i’ve read it was just some guy who supports the GD.
Why?
You seem to be using that word a lot to emtionally charge your argument I suspect, ive never heard them use that term.
It’s not a solution to criminality to become a criminal by committing assault. It’s violent, irrational, and barbaric. And as a solution to illegal workers, it’s idiotic. As a side point, about illegal workers, I’d think the most straightforward solution—assuming you can’t completely lock down your borders—is to not hire them. That said, if you want to say that GD should be assaulting business owners with clubs in the streets at night, I don’t think that’s a good solution either. Again, it’d be violent, irrational, and barbaric. —It’s on a par with retarding your humanity one thousand years or more, to some point where cutting off a person’s hands seemed like a good solution for someone stealing a loaf of bread. Wake up, please.
Hitler was a racist mass murderer, whose racism was based on the most egregious stupidity.
Foreigners with dark skin.
“Subhuman” was a direct quote from the leader of GD, Nikolaos Mihaloliakos.
It’s not criminality to make sure your Neighborhoods and community are kept safe.
GD wouldn’t but the politicians in the majority and the leftists who allo such to happen in order to acquire cheap labor or because it’s “mean” to refuse them to come over or make them leave have allowed it.
Depends on who the business owner is, but i haven’t heard anything like that.
Context is everything though.
Wake up to what? The BS from the mass media you’re regurgitating?
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Does being a leader of a Nation at war automatically make you a mass murderer?
And what was that?
Could you find me the quote?In context?
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A number of the illegal migrants in Greece fall under this catagory.
Hitler was a racist mass murderer, whose racism was based on the most egregious stupidity.
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Hitler was also trying to resist invasions of communists which also were mass murderers. Commies were raping german women and gunning down guys when the shit was hitting the fan. Germany had one of two options, slavery or war. Any time there is a political conflict, with armed people, they will probably fight, especially of one of them is wrong. The wrong one will fight to control the country just as fiercly as the one that wants to help the country, if not more fiercly. Hitler didn’t want the english or the USA to attack him or get involved with the war. He said how americas are peace-loving, in one of his speeches. The united communist empire wanted to take over all kinds of places, and germany was one of those places. The capitalists had their hand in it too. Killing a german is good? A german killing a non german is bad? According to adolf, this was a battle for existence, and a battle against slavery to corrupt political factions and the bad aspects of internationalism. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Japanese_War
When the russian empire was trying to take over so much stuff, you had to fight or be screwed. Japanese government sided with the germans.
I think they were retarded for sneak attacking the US. But, they wanted to join the anti communist movement.
The people who did the most killing was the greedy money bags people which forced a right or left answer: the likes of which: Fight or be taken over. The world wars were planned scams. Not 100% planned, but planned none the less. I don’t think the germans were any more evil than the americans, as both have done allot of killing. But we don’t talk about bush the way we talk about hitler. Bush is an american, and you people naturally favor him. His method is different. He lies in an entirely different method.
