Making the neighborhood unsafe is criminal. That’s what assault does.
No, it does not depend on who the business owner is.
No, slaughtering millions of Jews does.
And so does anyone who thinks assaulting people in the streets is a solution to illegal immigration.
You don’t even undertand what you are talking about, the neighborhoods were already unsafe due to the mass influx of Migrant Criminals, Assaults, Robberies, Rapes, Murders etc.
Disspraportionately high among them.
The GD Comes in as a Show of force, kicks some teeth in, problem solved.
All you have to do is read some interviews by people who support the Golden Dawn.
Christ
Even if he is a Criminal? Also can I see some of this evidence of Business owner Clubbing?
So the Deaths of Jews are the only Deaths that matter?
It is when it works, you create a hostile enviroment for the illegals and they won’t want to stay.
You keep cutting them slack,give them benefits and ignore crimes because you want “teh mutikulturalizm”. Then they’ll stay and come in greater numbers.
I want to get a picture of Genghis Kahn and frame it in my apartment.
Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Mussolini were light weights compared to him.
Funny how the liberal types in this thread are defaming the fascist lovers here considering their dear leader is currently bringing laser guided drone democracy in the middle east. Human beings are funny that way.
Well, he’s a black man so it must be ok…oops, did I day that outloud?
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I don’t understand this exchange. Are you saying that killings Jews does not qualify as murder and therefore Hitler is not a mass murderer?
And slapping a ‘war’ label on to something does not make all action excusable. Hitler had German citizens murdered before and during the war.
You should read the stuff that you reference. The Russo-Japanese war was fought in 1904-1905 between Tzarist Russia and Japan. The ‘commies’ didn’t take over Russia until 1917. And the Germans helped the ‘commies’ take over by supporting Lenin.
Do they only beat up illegals? Do they check work permits? A lot of EU nationals don’t even need a work permit to work in Greece.
If the GD kicks teeth in, they are criminals. That’s very clearly a crime, and it’s immoral.
Yes, quite clearly. If you have crime in your society, and your solution is to commit crime against criminals, you haven’t eliminated crime, you’ve just doubled it. The streets are likely as violent and unsafe as they’ve ever been. That’s because of fear and desperation. Guess what assaulting people in the streets causes? —Yes, that’s right: fear and desperation.
You misread what I wrote. It was very clear, and you can go back and look at it.
Who said that? Are you denying that Hitler is a racist mass murderer? —Not the kind of guy you should be hanging a framed picture of in your house?
When you create a hostile environment for a certain people, then they form together, form gangs, etc. You seem to think that assaulting people in the street is a solution to illegal immigration. It’s not. It’s just a recipe for even more violence. Not hiring illegal immigrants is a solution. That makes the Greek business owners the real criminals. It’s not much of a crime to try to find work when you need work to live.
The notion that assault is a solution is basically what I’d expect to hear from someone who has retarded their humanity 1000 years or more.
No if the laws implaced allow crap like this to happen and the only solution is to take actions that conflict with the law, then either the law is lacking or the state is lacking in not solving these issues before such actions are required.
So if one breaks a law in order to defend their community then that is completely justified and not criminal in any moral sense.
In those areas? No you’re absolutely wrong.
I don’t think so, you were very clearly implying some incident, either one which occured and i’m unaware of, or one you imagined in order to Demonize the GD.
You said that. You specifically reffered to Jews.
And as I asked if being a leader during wartime makes you a mass murderer then all the leaders of the nations involved in WWII are mass murderers.
When you create a hostile environment for a certain people, then they form together, form gangs, etc.
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THERE WERE ALREADY GANGS VON RIVERS!
The GD did not cause them, they went after them.
Yes it is, this is just Pacifist nonsense your speaking.
There are numerous interviews with people that have testified violent crime had went down since the GD moved in and took action, juts becuase this goes against your preconceived notions doesn’t make it untrue.
You’re right those business owners are part of the problem as well and the GD understands this, they criticise it and try to work against them. This is part of their platform.
I don’t give a damn.
The laws in place do not allow assault, beatings in the street, or people getting their teeth kicked in. It doesn’t matter who is doing it, or to whom. That’s against the law, and it’s immoral.
So if one breaks a law in order to feed their family then that is completely justified and not criminal in any moral sense? —That would be a surprising claim, given what you’ve said. It’s also implied by the quote above. That’s surprising, because earlier you were talking about criminal migrant workers…
What a stupid thing to say. Read the fucking news in Greece.
Again, go back and read what I said. It’s very clear. Nowhere have I ever said that business owners are being beaten in the street. If you deny this, then go back and quote me. Have some intellectual integrity, please. Integrity.
You are conversing in bad faith. You asked why Hitler was a racist mass murderer. I told you that it was for his role in the slaughter of millions of Jews. (And others, sure). Then you claimed I said that only Jews matter. I did not. And you still will not say if you think Hitler was a racist mass murderer. Instead, like a little child, you try to point to someone else who also does things that are wrong. “Ohhh”, you say, “well look at other leaders and blah blah blah”. —Yes, and? Did they round up a part of their population, blame problems on them, divide them from their families, force them out of their jobs, force them into concentration camps, to work as slaves, and then be killed by the thousands? …Because if they did all that, then absolutely, they’re on a par with the attrocity of Hitler.
And that’s the picture that hangs on his wall.
They need a scape goat, to blame their inadequacies on.
For every single testimony you quote, I’ll quote you one saying the exact opposite. Go for it…
Reasonably applied Violence in the service of a rightous cause is never immoral, being stagnant and ignoring problems is immoral
It depends on what they do.
Yes because they prey on the Greeks living their, there is a differance between someone stealing som bread to feed their family, and a migrant going to europe to prey on the population because they know the governments their are weak and will tolerate it.
In those areas?
Right back at ya.
Again, go back and read what I said. It’s very clear. Nowhere have I ever said that business owners are being beaten in the street. If you deny this, then go back and quote me. Have some intellectual integrity, please. Integrity.
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Ok so you said it as a suggestion?
Implying that it would be a bad thing?
Like i said before it all depends on what the business leader did.
You say it doesn’t.
What’s your point?
That you don’t beleive violence should ever be used to resolve an issue?
Ok I hear you loud and clear, and I strongly disagree.
Well why specify jews then?
They all had their role in the Deaths that occured in WWII. Does that make them mass murderers? Yes or No?
Yes
Ok then. Have you ever thought the reason he admires him isn’t based on the killings of WWII?
I mean the Germans invaded Greece as well, killed Greek soldiers. I’m sure he’s not a fan of that.
Perhaps what he admires is what Hitler did for Germany prior to the War, with National Socialism.
Oh good one. Blaming problems on people who cause the problems is scapegoating is it?
If a man sets fire to a house and you call him an arsonist, and blame the destruction of the house on him is that scapegoating?
What would be the point of that? That people in the international media don’t understand whats going on or will distort facts?
Or that the sheltered upper classes of Greece don’t understand the problems of the Greek proletariat because they don’t live it?
Where did you get your facts if not from the international media? How do you know that your facts are not distorted?
Do you understand the problems of the Greek proletariat better than the Greeks who are living in Greece? Why do you have this understanding?
Violence is always immoral when there’s a peaceful solution. If there’s not, it’s still never reasonably applied violence to assault people in the streets who look like they’re foreigners, even if they don’t have some paperwork on them at the time. As a solution to illegal immigration, it’s as barbaric and as immoral as it gets…
They apply for a job like anyone else. And so by your reasoning, illegal migrant workers aren’t actually doing anything immoral. Crazy.
No, there’s not. If anything, going to another place to seek out work is a lesser offense than stealing bread from a business owner. In this case, they’re actually just asking for a job… and the business owner freely gives them one.
Like I said before, you completely missed the point. Please, have some intellectual integrity and just go and look at what I said.
I was explaining to you why Hitler was a racist mass murderer. Do you think that Hitler was a racist mass murderer?
Foreigners don’t cause the problem of illegal workers, unless they force the business owner to give them a job. Do they?
Whenever someone pulls up news that conflicts with your preconceived view, do you just write it off as an international conspiracy?
What Jewish-American organizations might this be?
National Socialism isn’t very nationalistic - just as Communist Russia wasn’t very Communist. They are just myths fed to the public so they’ll believe in the glory of the nation/system/leader. This is abundantly clear with National Socialism because every time a country turns in that direction they start invading other countries and clearly have no respect for national boundaries or sovereignty.
That is to say, Fascism is the Globalist political philosophy par excellence. I would see Golden Dawn in that context - they aren’t Greek nationalist, they are internationalist autocrats. They have successfully got a section of the Greek people to turn away from blaming the European Central Bank, the entire nation-as-corporation scam and fictitious debt and managed to get them blaming petty criminal immigrants for their woes. The same thing is happening with UKIP in this country, and they are utterly pro-bankster, utterly pro-NATO.
What that supposed to be words that you vomited onto this page?
I expected no better response from you. That’s the thing about fascists, they always live up to my stereotyping of them. ‘This isn’t what I believe, ergo it must be vomit’…