The Great Harlot

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What impact do equity laws have on religious liberty?

How are rights and freedoms being destroyed under a pretense of protecting rights and freedoms?

How are Jesus Christ’s Messiahship and Godhood under attack even in Protestant churches?

There are many inroads that the one world religious movement has made in religious thought and society. If you thought there were differences between religions, think again. In recent times, Popes have made a public show of embracing non Christian religions. Why is the Papacy promoting acceptance of buddhism, Islam, shamanism, and other non Christian religions? Who will benefit from an amalgamation of all religions?

The one world religion described in Revelation 17:1-18 as “the great harlot” will be part of the end times scenario.

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@reason4emotion
Dear turbochurch bro, here is the truth, about the NWO-Papal takeover, which is to help Palestinians to takeover the world and install an LGBTQIA messiah, the only way out of this mess is to donate to Alex Jones, he will then sit on a nuke wearing a cowboy hat while it drops on a hospital, there were probably turrists in there right? Murica.

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Wrong link…? :thinking:

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Bait and switch, to help him.

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Those prophesies were made by John of Patmos, a guy of uncertain identity, who claimed to have a vision of a much altered Jesus Christ. Per wikipedia, The book is commonly dated to about AD 95, as suggested by clues in the visions pointing to the reign of the emperor Domitian.[17] The beast with seven heads and the number 666 seem to allude directly to the emperor Nero (reigned AD 54–68), but this does not require that Revelation was written in the 60s, as there was a widespread belief in later decades that Nero would return.[18][5] Yet, you are apparently looking for the prophesy’s literal fulfillment. For nearly 2000 years people have been expecting these visions to be fulfilled in their generation. How do you account for the delay?

Your post is off topic but it is interesting so maybe we can pursue it on another thread.

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Americanism is the reduction of racial/ethnic and cultural, and moral/ethical diversity to a product…a fashion.
It is, in fact, anti-diveristy, since it claims that differences are superficial… meaning we can pretend by adopting the appearance of what we wish to be.
This is also part of Abrahamism, since it reduces mankind to believers and non-believers, and recognizes no differences between peoples. the only binary it maintains is between man and woman, for obvious reasons.
Americanism eliminates this last remnant of realism.

Secular nihilistic ideologies, like Americanism, eliminate the last divisive concept, prohibiting its Global project, i.e., god.
God had to go, and the concept had to be abstracted.
The institution takes over the masculine role, making all biological males surrogate females - Feminization of Man, is an essay I wrote explaining it.

The Bible is actually an anti-traditional family document.
Even the story of Jesus taking his disciples away from their families, to become his apostles, is anti-family.
Abrahamic families place god as the actual fahter-figure, relegating biological males as mere proxies of his divine cock.
All females and children are his, and males are like the eunuch in a king’s court…only they inseminate the female son god’s behalf.

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REVELATION 17 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the judgment of the great prostitute who is seated on many waters, 2with whom the kings of the earth have committed sexual immorality, and with the wine of whose sexual immorality the dwellers on earth have become drunk.” 3And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness, and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was full of blasphemous names, and it had seven heads and ten horns. 4The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and jewels and pearls, holding in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and impurities of her sexual immorality. 5And on her forehead was written a name of mystery: “Babylon the great, mother of prostitutes and of earth’s abominations.” 6And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. [42] When I saw her, I marveled greatly. 7But the angel said to me, “Why do you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman, and of the beast with seven heads and ten horns that carries her. 8The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to rise from the bottomless pit [43] and go to destruction. And the dwellers on earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will marvel see the beast, because it was and is not and is to come. 9This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; 10they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while. 11As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to destruction. 12And the ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have not yet received royal power, but they are to receive authority as kings for one hour, together with the beast. 13These are of one mind, and they hand over their power and authority to the beast. 14They will make war on the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those with him are called and chosen and faithful.” 15And the angel [44] said to me, “The waters that you saw, where the prostitute is seated, are peoples and multitudes and nations and languages. 16And the ten horns that you saw, they and the beast will hate the prostitute. They will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire, 17for God has put it into their hearts to carry out his purpose by being of one mind and handing over their royal power to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled. 18And the woman that you saw is the great city that has dominion over the kings of the earth.”

  1. The whore is called Babylon. Seven centuries before John wrote this, the city of Babylon and forth its military to conquered the land of Judah, destroy Jerusalem and burn the temple to the ground. In 70 A.D., the armies of Rome also conquered the province of Judea, destroying Jerusalem, and burning the second temple to the ground. Rome was the new Babylon, the enemy of the people of God.

  2. The whore is fabulously wealthy, dressed in expensive purple and scarlet cloth and adorned with gold and precious jewels. Throughout his condemnation of Babylon in Revelation, especially in chapter 18, John decries her economic exploitation of the other nations, who fornicate with her and pay her for her service. Historically, it was not purely for the sake of power that Rome used its military might to overwhelm the lands around the Mediterranean. Rome wanted those lands for resources. The provinces paid tribute in agricultural products goods and cash to sustain the wealthiest empire at that point in western history. The Roman economy was designed to extract resources and revenue from the people at Concord, who either cooperated or were forced to pay an even higher price.

  3. John says that the whore of Babylon is drunk with the blood of Christian martyrs. It was under an emperor Nero that Rome first became administratively involved with the persecution of Christians. Before that Christians could be, and sometimes were persecuted on a local level when they were seen as troublemakers by some Jews or gentiles often simply because they refuse to participate in a cities communal life. But Nero was the first emperor to attack and martyr Christians directly. According to the Roman historian Tacitus, when the great fire of Rome occurred in 64 A.D. destroying large parts of the city some residence came to suspect that Nero himself was responsible for the fire. Nero shifted the blame by rounding up the Christians in the city and subjecting them to public execution, crucifying some, wrapping others in animal skins to be torn apart by ravenous dogs, and having others rolled in pitch and used as human torches to light his gardens.

  4. John appears to be aware of Nero’s slaughter and he believes that many Christians have been murdered by Roman officials so that the city is “drunk with the blood of the Saints.”

  5. The final clue that the woman is, in fact, the city of Rome is the angel’s interpretation of her peculiar seat: a wild beast with seven heads. Rome was referred to as the city built on 7 Hills. In verse 18, John identifies the woman with the great city that rules over the kings of the Earth, a clear reference to Rome, which ruled the known world at that time.

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Christianity is the harlot.
Her love is universal…common…what the Greeks called their prostitutes.
She receives the seed of multiple suitors, indiscriminately.
She is cheap, differentiating her from the lady, who’s price makes her unattainable by a commoner.

What’s a whore’s love worth?

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None whatever.
If you want religious freedom then you are allowed to exploit and oppress yourslef as much as you want.
However such laws should restrict the religion in matters concerned with Unjust Enrichment – Preventing one party from unfairly benefiting at another’s expense.

But followers tend to volunteer to be fleeced, and so religions are free to collect cash as they see fit.

At the heart of equity law we find “he who seeks equity must do equity” . There is a massive get out of gaol free card here just so long as religion remains heirarchical and inequitable in thought and deed, as they seem to be, then no equity is offered or implied by any relgion.

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Equity laws aim to prevent discrimination and ensure equal opportunities, but they sometimes create tension with religious beliefs. For example, religious organizations may face legal challenges when their doctrines conflict with non-discrimination laws regarding gender identity, marriage, or hiring practices. Some argue this is a necessary protection against discrimination, while others see it as an infringement on religious conscience.

However, many faith-based institutions worry that equity laws force them to compromise core doctrines, such as biblical views on marriage and sexuality. Some argue that religious freedom is increasingly seen as secondary to other rights, limiting the ability of churches, schools, and businesses to operate according to their beliefs.

Laws and policies meant to protect certain groups can sometimes unintentionally limit others’ freedoms. For instance, free speech laws may be restricted under hate speech regulations, and freedom of association may be curtailed when institutions are compelled to align with state-mandated inclusivity policies.

On the other hand, some argue that in the name of inclusivity and equality, governments and institutions enforce ideological conformity, silencing dissenting voices, particularly those with traditional or religious views. This can be seen in censorship, social pressure to conform, or legal actions against those who hold unpopular opinions.

Theologically, some Protestant churches have adopted a more secular or progressive theology, sometimes downplaying traditional doctrines of Jesus’ divinity, atonement and exclusivity as the way to salvation. This can be seen in movements that reinterpret Jesus as a moral teacher or social revolutionary rather than the Son of God, and there is much evidence to suggest that he was a continuation of the social critique of the later prophets. I suggest that it was also his interpretation and devotion to the ‘Suffering Servant’ that needed a spark to light the fire that came later, albeit differently from the rabbinic interpretation.

It seems the rise of relativism and pluralism has led some churches to soften their stance on core Christian doctrines to be more inclusive. This can include rejecting Christ’s uniqueness, affirming universal salvation, or embracing ideologies that prioritize human experience over biblical revelation. This is for me an important factor, because seeing individuals as divine or divinely inspired are two very different things.

The Papacy’s outreach to other religions is often framed as an effort to promote peace, mutual understanding, and cooperation in a globalized world. With religious conflicts and tensions present throughout history, interfaith dialogue is seen as a way to reduce hostility and build bridges between different traditions. However, critics argue that such engagement risks blurring doctrinal distinctions and undermining core Christian beliefs.

Many conservative Christians view the Vatican’s approach to interfaith dialogue as a deviation from biblical Christianity. They argue that Christ taught exclusivity—“I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6). From this standpoint, efforts to amalgamate religions dilute the gospel and lead people away from the truth of salvation through Christ alone. Some fear that this is part of a broader movement toward a “one-world religion” that prioritizes human unity over divine truth.

A more political view is that promoting religious inclusivity serves geopolitical interests. In an era of increasing globalization, having religious leaders unite under shared humanitarian goals—such as climate action, economic justice, and social harmony—aligns with broader international agendas. Some see this as a way for global elites to consolidate control, where religion becomes another tool for maintaining social cohesion rather than a means of spiritual salvation.

Some say that a one-world religious system benefits those who seek to diminish religious distinctiveness and centralize authority under a global institution. They fear this could lead to religious relativism, where absolute truths are replaced with a generalized spirituality that lacks substance. The biggest threat they see, however, is to their exclusivity, which has fuelled so many conflicts in the past, and still does today.

If we see humanity as a great unity that has become ravaged by such religious wars, then it is clear that society benefits from reduced pious conflict, greater cooperation on social justice issues, and a more inclusive worldview that respects different faiths. I personally believe that far more syncretism has occurred over the course of history than religions want to accept, and new traditions aren’t that new from that perspective.

This has been adequately answered by Felix, and modern piety that holds on to such imagery is disrespectful and exclusive in its outlook, despite being hypocritical if you compare their behaviour with Gospel teaching.

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You have to read Revelation with the lens of a Jew. Read the Old Testament imagery if you want to get the imagery that is in Revelation.

The harlot is the apostate Church leadership that is a sellout to the Government (rides the beast).

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I’ll take that as a compliment. Do you suppose that John of Patmos was not a Jew?

You’re right. The book of Revelation is in the same genre as the pseudonymous Book of Daniel, 1 Enoch, 2 Baruch, and 4 Ezra. These books are all apocalypses. John of Patmos drew much of the symbolism in Revelation from the Book of Daniel.

DANIEL 7 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon, Daniel saw a dream and visions of his head as he lay in his bed. Then he wrote down the dream and told the sum of the matter. 2Daniel declared, [26] “I saw in my vision by night, and behold, the four winds of heaven were stirring up the great sea. 3And four great beasts came up out of the sea, different from one another. 4The first was like a lion and had eagles’ wings. Then as I looked its wings were plucked off, and it was lifted up from the ground and made to stand on two feet like a man, and the mind of a man was given to it. 5And behold, another beast, a second one, like a bear. It was raised up on one side. It had three ribs in its mouth between its teeth; and it was told, ‘Arise, devour much flesh.’ 6After this I looked, and behold, another, like a leopard, with four wings of a bird on its back. And the beast had four heads, and dominion was given to it. 7After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, terrifying and dreadful and exceedingly strong. It had great iron teeth; it devoured and broke in pieces and stamped what was left with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns. 8I considered the horns, and behold, there came up among them another horn, a little one, before which three of the first horns were plucked up by the roots. And behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. The Ancient of Days Reigns 9“As I looked, thrones were placed, and the Ancient of Days took his seat; his clothing was white as snow, and the hair of his head like pure wool; his throne was fiery flames; its wheels were burning fire. 10A stream of fire issued and came out from before him; a thousand thousands served him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him; the court sat in judgment, and the books were opened. 11“I looked then because the sound of the great words that the horn was speaking. And as I looked, the beast was killed, and its body destroyed and given over to be burned with fire. 12As for the rest of the beasts, their dominion was taken away, but their lives were prolonged for a season and a time. The Son of Man Is Given Dominion 13“I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him. 14And to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed. Daniel’s Vision Interpreted 15“As for me, Daniel, my spirit within me [27] was anxious, and the visions of my head alarmed me. 16I approached one of those who stood there and asked him the truth concerning all this. So he told me and made known to me the interpretation of the things. 17‘These four great beasts are four kings who shall arise out the earth. 18But the saints of the Most High shall receive the kingdom and possess the kingdom forever, forever and ever.’ 19“Then I desired to know the truth about the fourth beast, which was different from all the rest, exceedingly terrifying, with its teeth of iron and claws of bronze, and which devoured and broke in pieces and stamped what was left with its feet, 20and about the ten horns that were on its head, and the other horn that came up and before which three of them fell, the horn that had eyes and a mouth that spoke great things, and that seemed greater than its companions. 21As I looked, this horn made war with the saints and prevailed over them, 22until the Ancient of Days came, and judgment was given for the saints of the Most High, and the time came when the saints possessed the kingdom. 23“Thus he said: ‘As for the fourth beast, there shall be a fourth kingdom on earth, which shall be different from all the kingdoms, and it shall devour the whole earth, and trample it down, and break it to pieces. 24As for the ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings shall arise, and another shall arise after them; he shall be different from the former ones, and shall put down three kings. 25He shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and shall think to change the times and the law; and they shall be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time. 26But the court shall sit in judgment, and his dominion shall be taken away, to be consumed and destroyed to the end. 27And the kingdom and the dominion and the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High; their kingdom shall be an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey them.’ [28] 28“Here is the end of the matter. As for me, Daniel, my thoughts greatly alarmed me, and my color changed, but I kept the matter in my heart.”

Set in the sixth century BC, The book of Daniel was probably written around 160 BC when the Jewish people were experiencing severe persecution under the rule of Syrian king Antiochus Epiphanies who is forcing them to abandon their customs and traditions and adopt Greek culture and religion. Antiochus is the little horn in Daniel’s visions which revealed that God will destroy him, and the Jewish people will become rulers in his place. The fact that this chapter of Daniel was written in Aramaic, not Hebrew is evidence for its late authorship (Collins , Daniel) Daniel makes detail references to the rule of Syrian monarch Antioch Epiphanies (175 to 164 BC) In Daniel 11; 21 to 45.

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The Book of Revelation heavily utilizes the Book of Daniel by drawing on its imagery, symbolism, and prophetic structure to depict future world powers and the ultimate victory of God over evil, particularly using Daniel’s “beast” imagery to represent various empires and the “end times” narrative, with many scholars considering Daniel as a key interpretive lens for understanding Revelation’s visions.

Key points about how Revelation uses Daniel:

  • Beast imagery:

Both books use symbolic beasts to represent powerful earthly kingdoms, with Revelation often mirroring the beasts described in Daniel 7, such as the lion, bear, leopard, and the fourth beast representing a powerful, destructive force.

  • Timelines and prophetic numbers:

Revelation frequently employs the same timeframes and numerical patterns found in Daniel, like the “three and a half times” concept, which helps interpret the timing of events in the end times.

  • The “Son of Man” figure:

While not explicitly stated in Daniel, the “Son of Man” figure in Daniel 7 is seen as a precursor to Jesus’ depiction in Revelation, signifying his ultimate authority and judgment.

  • Persecution and tribulation:

Both books portray the suffering of God’s people during times of persecution, drawing parallels between Daniel’s experiences in Babylon and the tribulations described in Revelation.

Example of connection:

  • Daniel 7 and Revelation 13: In Daniel 7, a series of beasts represent different empires, while in Revelation 13, a similar “beast” is described, often interpreted as an embodiment of the Antichrist, drawing heavily on the imagery and symbolism from Daniel.

Identification of the Roman Catholic Church goes back at least to Martin Luther. Since the papacy was located in Rome the city of seven hill, there is a one to one correspondence to that symbolic marker which lends credence to that interpretation while ignoring the fact that the book can be fully understood in terms of the people, places and things present in John’s own time without making extraordinary claims.

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It is not meant as a compliment or an insult. He was/is definitely as Jewish as Jesus.

But he wasn’t from Patmos. He was just there because he was exiled there.

He is the same John who wrote the gospel of John, and the epistles of John. He is the disciple who was fishing when Jesus told them to cast the net on the other side of the boat. He stuck around within earshot during Jesus‘s trial, and was at the foot of the cross with Jesus’ mother, Mary. That John.

I have read Daniel.

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The unknown author of the Gospel of John (that title is a product of tradition) identifies Jesus of Nazareth with the Logos—that which is “the true light which enlightens everyone”. This I take to refer to the universal consciousness of which we all partake. This the Jesus of this gospel identifies with the I AM of Exodus in numerous “I AM” statements including:

“ I am the bread of life.” 6:35
“ I am the light of the world” 8:12
“ I am the door of the sheep” 10:7
“ I am the good Shepherd” 10:11
“ I am the resurrection and the life” 11:26

“ I am the way the truth and the life” 11:25
“ I am the true vine” 15:1

We all have access to the Logos, the I AM. It is the ground and center of our being as it was Jesus’s. The Gospel of John testifies that the difference was that he knew it.

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Scholars largely believe the “John” who wrote Revelation is not the same as the “John” who wrote the Gospel of John due to significant differences in writing style, Greek language usage, and the overall content and tone between the two texts, with most scholars arguing that the author of Revelation, often called “John of Patmos,” was a different individual altogether, even if they may have shared a similar Christian perspective or community.

Key points supporting this view:

  • Linguistic differences:

The Greek used in Revelation is considered less refined and more apocalyptic compared to the more polished Greek of the Gospel of John.

  • Content and imagery:

Revelation is filled with highly symbolic and vivid imagery, whereas the Gospel of John focuses more on Jesus’ teachings and philosophical discussions.

  • Historical context:

The location mentioned in Revelation, the island of Patmos, suggests a different author than the traditional understanding of John the Apostle.

  • Early Church interpretations:

Early church fathers like Dionysius of Alexandria expressed doubt about the authorship of Revelation being the same as the Gospel of John.

To this I would add that the authorship of the gospel attributed to John is unknown as well. The attribution to John, the son of Zebedee is a matter of tradition as is the authorship of the other three canonical gospels.

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I’m not in the mood to debate that with you. I am not the scholar you are looking for.

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@Ichthus77
You are the franchisee of Love. All who oppose you are enemies of Love. Destroy them ruthlessly because the NT is separate to OT and OT was bad enough but for NT to give no direction on war (apart from turn the other cheek which can be and always is safely disregarded because that’s just being silly) is marginally worse. Thus he spake unto her: rip his entrails out, streeeeetch his body, pickle his ears for glory, glory, glory.

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but there are other things in John that need to be looked at very carefully, the question is why no parables.

There are parables in all the synoptic gospels why no parables in the book of John. It could be because Jesus said that the parables are for the uninformed but to his people he speaks plainly.

Parables are an excellent way of teaching without being so direct. and for some people it is better explained through a parable.

I wrote an extensive reply and lost the lot except for the above excerpt that I had cut out of it. LOL.

I will attempt to write my response again, although this may take me a day or so.

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Are you Jewish?

If so, that explains why you refer to wikipedia instead of the Scriptures.

It explains why you write “scholars say this and that” of the Gospel of John and why you are so misinformed.

The New Testatment has no relevance to a jew, nor the Book of Daniel.

It gives the time when the Messiah should come so that in the Talmud, you read, may the bones of the hands and the bones of the fingers decay and decompose of him who turns the pages of the Book of Daniel.

This is written in the Talmud, and may his memory rot from the face of the earth forever. Talmudic Law, page 978 section 2

Hence your question about the time of the second coming.

The Jews don’t believe in the FIRST coming.

My question to you.

Why would the Jewish Talmud contain such a curse"!

Is it because to accept Daniel, it would have to become the Christian religion and it would disappear off the face of the earth,

…something that they do not want.

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Bless you, reason4emotion! (Matthew 5:44)