# The Harmonic Triads
**URL:** https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486
**Category:** Philosophy
**Created:** [February 2, 2022, 10:13pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486 "2022-02-02T22:13:05Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2025, 12:22pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/401 "2025-06-14T12:22:49Z")
It’s about time.
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2025, 1:57pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/402 "2025-06-14T13:57:55Z")
pair w [The Harmonic Triads - #377 by Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/377)
& [Fight Me: objective truth about subjects - #2 by Sculptor](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/fight-me-objective-truth-about-subjects/81507/2)
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### Author:  [@Demon](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Demon)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2025, 5:15am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/403 "2025-06-15T05:15:23Z")
**Faith** is nothing more than a **herd instinct** 🐑 — pure animalism. One sheep follows another without thinking. Faith offers **no real choice**. 🧠❌ The mind is completely disengaged; the only thing being chosen… is **faith itself**.
C.S. Lewis? Just another liar. 🧢
Faith has only **one root cause** : the **DNA program** 🧬 that codes for this animal-like behavior.
You keep using the word “soul” — yet you can’t even **define it**. You cling to the term because you **believe blindly** in something **fantastical** , absurd, and false.
The **mind is not involved** — at all.
And you are **incapable** of grasping what a soul truly is.
**DNA doesn’t permit it.**
You couldn’t even **rephrase** what I’ve written — and that alone will amuse anyone reading this. 😏
Let me offer the real definition:
> **🕊 Soul** — a _vessel_ that gathers and holds the **accumulated experience of a lived life**.
> What makes the **human soul** unique is its capacity for **feeling**. ❤️🔥
If God can read **thoughts** telepathically,
then He can only access **emotions** by **killing** the person. ☠
That’s why God **kills people** and **torments them** —
He creates terrible conditions on purpose because He **needs human souls** , soaked in **tears and sorrow**.
That is the true essence of **Hell** :
🌍 **Life on planet Earth.**
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**Spirit** and **soul** are not the same:
> **🔥 Spirit** — the **force that defines essence** , that grants the right to **exist**.
If your DNA is closer to that of an animal, you rely on faith — and your **spirit is weak**. 🐾
But if your mind is developed — your **spirit is strong** 💡💪 —
and _then_ you are a **true human being** ,
capable of understanding that **reason and faith are enemies** , and they **exclude each other**.
A **rational person** can debate using **evidence** ,
can **define words** , for example.
A **believer** can’t. The believer lives in **lies** ,
because **lies cannot exist without faith**. 🕳🙏❌
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2025, 5:42am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/404 "2025-06-15T05:42:58Z")
I can pull definitions out of my butt, just like you, you know. I choose not to … because I make good choices … unlike you.
bye-bye now
Run along, Demon.
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### Author:  [@Demon](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Demon)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2025, 7:15am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/405 "2025-06-15T07:15:49Z")
**Where are your definitions — even if they’re from your butt, since you’ve got nothing else?**
Seems like physiology doesn’t allow for much… other than defecating words — nothing substantial from you.
⚖ 1. Trapped in Dualism
Your model subtly reintroduces an old philosophical structure: duality. Concepts like Truth vs. Belief, Justification vs. Behavior, echo the ancient Good–Evil, Mind–Body dichotomies.
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❗But modern ontology has mostly moved beyond such binary framing, seeing it as too rigid for real understanding.
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🔁 2. Blurring the Boundaries
The triad components—Justification, Truth, Belief—overlap heavily:
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Belief can exist without justification.
Justification can become dogma rather than lead to truth.
Behavior is both result and cause of belief.
🔄 This cyclical entanglement means the model lacks clear hierarchy or operational logic.
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🧱 3. No Ontological Foundation
The model feels cognitively structured but detached from the nature of reality itself.
Where is matter? Where is time and space?
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Without grounding in an ontological framework, the triad floats in abstraction and becomes subjective.
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🔲 4. Symmetry Over Function
The elegance of the triangle—three harmonizing aspects—may look satisfying, but:
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🤹♂️ Symmetry ≠ Functionality.
Your triad doesn’t account for causality, emergence, context, or contradiction. It risks becoming a static diagram, not a dynamic tool.
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🧬 5. Psychological and Cultural Limits
You borrow language from Enneagram and behavioral psychology, but:
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Those use triads functionally—as adaptive mechanisms.
Yours comes off as a static philosophical projection, lacking real experimental or cultural anchoring.
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✅ In Summary:
❓ Problem 💥 Result
Binary Framing Reinforces outdated philosophical structures
Vague Component Roles Makes the model analytically weak
Lack of Ontology Cuts off grounding in the nature of existence
Aesthetic over Pragmatic Looks neat, works little
No Empirical Testability Lacks real-world or psychological integration
🧭 Alternative Triadic Ontology:
In comparison, a different triadic model begins with:
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Matter – Time – Space
Each defined only through the other two.
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This isn’t a moral model, but a structural ontology—one that can generate meaning, not merely describe belief systems.
😄 No offense intended—just sharpening the blade of dialectic. The Fool (Shut) speaks from the edge of knowing. Sometimes mockery reveals what logic hides.
— D
(D for Demon, perhaps…)
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2025, 8:32am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/406 "2025-06-15T08:32:18Z")
You are a doofus on purpose. Anyway.
To continue.
red: assent/dissent response to content (force may be stronger elsewhere)
yellow: content/understanding regardless of force
TELLS/CAMO blue: behaving as if one knows/doesn’t … with or without understanding/awareness or assent/dissent (force INDICATORS go here)
@Meno41 check my work
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2025, 8:53am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/407 "2025-06-15T08:53:25Z")
> [@Demon](#):
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> Looks neat, works little
Looks ain’t everything. Works ain’t always visible.
Why do I even read/respond.
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### Author:  [@Demon](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Demon)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2025, 9:08am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/408 "2025-06-15T09:08:06Z")
> [@Ichthus77](#):
>
> Why do I even read/respond.
**A magnificent explanation — especially for someone who’s colorblind.**
As for the Demon, whose color vision is just fine — it’s honestly just funny.
What exactly are you trying to check? The absence of meaning in something arbitrarily pre-colored?
You asked why you read this — I don’t know either. But why you write — that I can explain.
A weak spirit (a phantom of reason) clings to inconsistencies, overcomplicating statements for one purpose only: to secure itself in falsehood.
Whereas I, for example, lie simply and clearly — but with a different aim: to plunge others into doubt about widely accepted lies.
And notice: I always provide **definitions**. That’s exactly what separates **reason** from **faith**.
Faith relies only on commonly accepted, pathetic, and deceitful dogmas. 🧠❌🙏
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2025, 9:49am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/409 "2025-06-15T09:49:26Z")
At least you admit you’re lying!
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2025, 11:10am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/410 "2025-06-15T11:10:37Z")
yellow You can have good reasons to know someone exists… but want them not to… and so be apersonal. That is conceptual bad faith.
red You can have good reasons to know someone is trustworthy (even the one you don’t want to exist)… but have too much baggage to trust anybody… and so be apersonal. That is about emotional/essential bad faith.
blue Finally. You can have good reasons to know someone exists, and is trustworthy… maybe you’re even happy they exist, and emotionally you feel as if you would fight to the death to defend them. But in the heat of the moment—you flee as if they were nothing to you. That is about existential bad faith.
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**Parable of the Sower and the Soils**
Now listen to the parable of the sower. There was a man who went out to sow his seed, and while he was sowing, some of the seed fell by the roadside and was trodden down and birds swooped down and gobbled it up. Some fell among the stony patches where there was very little soil, and when it sprouted very quickly in the shallow soil, it withered for lack of moisture, because there was no depth of earth.
When the sun rose it was scorched by the heat, and because it had no roots, it withered away.
Some seed fell among thorn bushes which grew up with the seeds and choked the life out of them, and it bore no crop.
Some seed fell on good soil and grew and produced a crop which yielded thirty or sixty or even a hundred times what had been sown. The one who has ears should use them!
You have been given the chance to understand the secrets of the kingdom of God, of heaven, but the others who do not know the secret are given parables so that they may go through life with their eyes open and “seeing they may see and not perceive, and hearing they may hear and not understand, lest they turn, and their sins be forgiven them, for the heart of this people has grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, and their eyes they have closed, lest they see with their eyes and hear with their ears, lest they understand with their heart and turn, so that I heal them.”
They are the living fulfillment of Isaiah’s prophecy. So take care how you listen. More will be given to the one who has something already until they have plenty, but if they have nothing, even the nothing they think they have will be taken away from them. Whatever measure you use will be used towards you, and even more than that. How fortunate you are to have eyes that see and ears that hear!
Do you not understand this parable? Then how are you going to understand all the other parables? This is what the parable means. Listen! The one who sows, sows the message. The seed is the message of God.
**Yellow.** The seed sown by **the roadside** represents those who hear the message, and then the devil comes and takes it away from their **hearts and minds** so that they cannot believe it and be saved.
When someone hears the message of the kingdom and does not grasp it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in their heart.
**Red** That sown on the **stony patches** represents those who accept the message eagerly with **joyful delight** when they hear it, but have no real root and do not last. They believe for a little while, but the moment temptation comes and trouble or persecution arises because of the message, they give up their faith at once.
**Blue** The seed sown among the **thorn bushes** represents the people who hear the message and **go on their way** , and the worries of this world and the illusory glamor of wealth and all sorts of other ambitions and pleasures of living creep in and choke the life out of them, and in the end they produce no crop in this life.
The seed sown on good soil means those who hear the message and accept it ( **red** ) with a good and honest heart ( **yellow** ). They go on ( **blue** ) steadily producing a good crop - thirty, sixty, even a hundred times as much as they received.
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Methinks Pythagoras knew of Isaiah & all the rest. Just a hunch.
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### Author:  [@Demon](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Demon)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2025, 1:12pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/411 "2025-06-15T13:12:43Z")
People who are unable — or unwilling — to understand _existence itself_ are forced to use primitive tags like “yellow,” “red,” “blue.” Funny thing to ask them: what exactly is a _color_? What are you labeling?
I have a strong reason to say this is utter nonsense. Not metaphor, not poetry — plain gibberish.
**Faith is the herd instinct — pure cattle thinking. 🐑 Where one sheep goes, the next follows without thinking.**
Faith cannot tolerate other faiths. It crushes doubt. It demands submission. It’s not a virtue — it’s a replacement for thinking.
A person either _knows_ — or _refuses to know_ and is _forced to believe_, because they’ve chosen ignorance.
Now about the “parable”: what exactly is the fruit of the parable itself? The parable is not wisdom — it’s a product of cultural indoctrination. In this case, it’s **a tool of Jewish storytelling imposed on the non-Jewish world**. And the irony? **Most Jews themselves don’t believe these fairy tales.** They know exactly what the Bible is: **a book written for idiots who “think with their heart” instead of their brain.**
Want a better parable? Sure:
> Valentine’s Day. A man walks into a store and says: “Give me a symbol of an ass.” 🍑
> The saleswoman replies, “Sir, that’s a valentine — a symbol of the heart.” ❤
> The man laughs: “I’ve been a pathologist my whole life. I **know what a real human heart looks like.** That is NOT it. Now sell me a symbol of the ass — **which most people actually think with.** ”
**Conclusion: Faith turns people into mindless cattle who think with their ass — not even with their heart. 🐮💩**
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### Author:  [@Demon](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Demon)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2025, 1:17pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/412 "2025-06-15T13:17:33Z")
> [@Ichthus77](#):
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> At least you admit you’re lying!
**Give a definition: what is a lie?**
At the very least, I doubt whether you’re even capable of understanding human language. Without clear definitions, I’m increasingly convinced I’m talking to a parrot trapped in a cage of dogma.
So, let’s start with the basics: **what is a lie?**
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2025, 2:07pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/413 "2025-06-15T14:07:52Z")
knowledge (white) is all three together: belief (aesthetics, red) that is both true (ontology, yellow… NOT green!) and justified (epistemology, blue)
if you take away all three… darkness… nothing
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2025, 2:10pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/414 "2025-06-15T14:10:07Z")
> [@Demon](#):
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> **what is a lie?**
Oh, I **see** (what you wish me to see) you weren’t paying attention…
red: assent/dissent response to content (force may be stronger elsewhere)
yellow: content/understanding regardless of force
TELLS/CAMO blue: behaving as if one knows/doesn’t … with or without understanding/awareness or assent/dissent (force INDICATORS go here)
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2025, 2:28pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/415 "2025-06-15T14:28:10Z")
> [@Demon](#):
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> Now sell me a symbol of the ass — **which most people actually think with.**
🥚 🍳
…any questions?
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### Author:  [@Demon](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Demon)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2025, 5:58pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/416 "2025-06-15T17:58:43Z")
### 🔍 A Straightforward Critique of Ichthus77’s “Knowledge Triad”
**1. Belief ≠ Knowledge**
Belief 🙏 and knowledge 🧠 are **not the same**. Belief is what you **accept without proof** , while knowledge is what you **understand and can demonstrate**. If you believe, you don’t yet know. Mixing these up is a basic error in logic.
> 🧠 → Knowledge requires evidence.
> 🙏 → Belief requires faith.
> Mixing them? That’s just confusion.
**2. Truth doesn’t need justification.**
Truth 🌕 is self-sufficient. It doesn’t need to be “justified” to exist. Justification 🧾 is what you use to make **lies** look true. If your truth needs packaging to be accepted, it’s likely **not truth** — it’s propaganda.
**3. Color codes don’t clarify — they camouflage.**
Using colors 🎨 (like red, yellow, blue) to explain abstract ideas might look clever, but it hides the **lack of clear logic**. It’s like putting a mask on confusion and calling it wisdom.
> Pretty? Yes.
> Useful? No.
**4. The “triad” is a trap.**
Calling knowledge a mix of belief + truth + justification is a **philosophical dead-end**. It opens the door to **anything being labeled as “true”** if you just justify it well enough. That’s not truth — it’s manipulation.
**5. Conclusion: Not philosophy, just conceptual play.**
This triad isn’t deep philosophy — it’s **a game of labels**. It explains nothing, proves nothing, and only **sounds smart to those who don’t think critically.** 🪞
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💬 _Simple rule:_
> Truth is whole.
> Belief is partial.
> Knowledge is tested.
> Don’t confuse them, or you’ll stay lost in pretty lies.
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2025, 6:16pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/417 "2025-06-15T18:16:22Z")
No. You’re messing it up. Go away.
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### Author:  [@Demon](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Demon)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2025, 6:22pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/418 "2025-06-15T18:22:55Z")
Any lie cannot tolerate truth, and especially not the concept of truthfulness. In fact, when there’s nothing real to say, that’s when the lies become complex.
For comparison’s sake, consider the Trinity (division into three) — Two dictate the rights of the One, determining it. A simple example: matter, space, and time. No innuendos or colorful labels involved.
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2025, 9:19pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/419 "2025-06-15T21:19:03Z")
You’re fishing for something. Without asking for it. That’s not how it works.
First, you have to teach me all the physics and maths and music theory. Then I’ll tell you your answer.
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [June 17, 2025, 7:06am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/420 "2025-06-17T07:06:56Z")
follow up:
> [@Love Ontology](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/love-ontology/48386/220):
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> You mean this? You mean this? Jesus confronted the rulers of his day, drove the moneychangers out of the temple, knew he was going to be rejected, betrayed, abandoned, put to death, misrepresented… but that’s what you call “how to be girls”? Hm. Guess he takes after Deborah and Jael. Notice your gerund is yellow: Love as verb/action (conduct/behavior/duty, epistemology, practical reason) — blue. Love as noun/substance (character/virtue…
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