# The Harmonic Triads
**URL:** https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486
**Category:** Philosophy
**Created:** [February 2, 2022, 10:13pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486 "2022-02-02T22:13:05Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@anon51310602](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/anon51310602)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2025, 6:03pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/421 "2025-06-18T18:03:18Z")
Mary, to your knowledge, or from your perspective, Biblically speaking, did God create the heavens and earth out of nothing? What are your thoughts on this? It does not explicitly state anywhere in the Bible that God created from nothing.
Additionally if God is present during creation, or before creation, God obviously is something, so nothing would not be prior to creation either.
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [June 19, 2025, 12:37am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/422 "2025-06-19T00:37:42Z")
No one has called me Mary since high school. My name is Maryann. To answer your question I have to get into time. It is on topic, but it creeps me out every time I try to complete the thought. I just wanna put it simply, but it always ends up getting more complicated. There are steps up to it that I need to complete first, I think. I have said parts of it so many different ways (some of that is all over this board), but it is never just right/whole (a correct framing relative to the available theories). I think part of it might be that I lack fluency in the relevant language from math, physics, chemistry, etc.
This thread shows why it is necessary to elucidate time in order to make sense of everything else:
> [@The “I am” precedes electromagnetic energy waves](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-i-am-precedes-electromagnetic-energy-waves/81529/7):
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> You don’t have the physical without the teleological, and vice versa. Don’t you want to know what the creator has to say about his work that is not an expression without a teleology… a teleology that is not ontological without demonstration (existantiation)? I take your gnosticism… and I throw it on the ground!
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### Author:  [@Demon](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Demon)
#### Post date: [June 20, 2025, 12:24pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/423 "2025-06-20T12:24:02Z")
Are you seriously asking for constructive criticism of the Bible? 🤨
Well, if that’s the case, there’d be absolutely nothing left of that pitiful, deceitful, and anti-human little book 📕💀.
The God depicted in the Bible is shown as a complete fool 🤡. Do you really need that explained to you?
The Bible is essentially a litmus test for whether your DNA is wired for herd-like belief 🧬🐑.
It’s a conformity check — are you a sheep or not? 🐏🔍
After all, that’s exactly how Jesus referred to his followers 📖✝.
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [June 20, 2025, 12:50pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/424 "2025-06-20T12:50:21Z")
Quote the content to which you are replying, please.
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### Author:  [@Demon](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Demon)
#### Post date: [June 21, 2025, 12:27pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/425 "2025-06-21T12:27:28Z")
**A forum is meant for expressing oneself, not necessarily for arguing with those who refuse to understand.**
Moreover, it’s easier to ignore those who, due to their faith, don’t want to know anything — rather than argue or try to convince them with reason.
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [June 21, 2025, 12:29pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/426 "2025-06-21T12:29:30Z")
Quote the content to which you are replying, please.
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### Author:  [@MagsJ](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/MagsJ)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2025, 1:30am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/427 "2025-06-22T01:30:33Z")
.
Someone who gets it.. 🙌🏼
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### Author:  [@Demon](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Demon)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2025, 2:53am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/428 "2025-06-22T02:53:17Z")
> [@MagsJ](#):
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> Someone who gets it.
Do you understand why the flat world is supported by three whales? Seriously?
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### Author:  [@MagsJ](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/MagsJ)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2025, 3:12am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/429 "2025-06-22T03:12:00Z")
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It _ **is** _?
..and what would be supporting the whales?
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2025, 4:50am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/430 "2025-06-22T04:50:32Z")
why… Dirac’s sea turtles, who else?
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [June 23, 2025, 7:14am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/431 "2025-06-23T07:14:24Z")
So let me get this straight…
Some starting points…
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [June 23, 2025, 2:02pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/432 "2025-06-23T14:02:03Z")
> [@Pascal's Wager really is a great argument](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/pascals-wager-really-is-a-great-argument/79479/315):
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> Well, a life/essence/purpose/function/WHY without such “a binary processing biological machine” (or whatever mode of existence) is incapable of **doing** /HOWing or **being** /WHATing. A why (love) without a how (demonstration) or a what (medium) is impossible to manifest…isn’t & can never be real. So if there is a real why, it does a how and is a what, and always did do, and always will be.
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> …just as “a binary processing biological machine **[without a WHY]** doesn’t possess life\*\*[/essence/purpose/function]\*\*. It merely exists and doesn’t exist and claims things” without even basing their life around (having faith in) (living by) them.
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> In other words … works/characters without faith are just as dead as faith without works. That’s so many people‘s point. It’s been made time & again. In _The Republic_, for example—politicians who do things for show, but inside are full of dead men’s bones (OK that last part was Jesus). Kierkegaard saying that if you do it on your own steam (as if your works can save you … rather than the grace/love of the vine and vine dresser), you’re doing it like one of those walking sepulchers.
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> The fact that we hunger for meaning (a real why that is not handed to us from the outside as if we’re just supposed to accept it without critical examination, but instead a meaning/why that we intuitively grasp because it makes everything make sense) … is evidence that we do have the why in us.
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> All of that to say it’s pretty fair to wager that there is an answer to that why.
Stuff and stuff.
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [June 24, 2025, 4:02pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/433 "2025-06-24T16:02:15Z")
> [@Fill-in-the-Blank Rosetta Logic Venn Stone](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/fill-in-the-blank-rosetta-logic-venn-stone/80838/3):
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> an update I still need help with:
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [June 24, 2025, 5:40pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/434 "2025-06-24T17:40:09Z")
help: [https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/2716148/why-is-the-distributive-law-abc-abac-not-true-in-real-algebra](https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/2716148/why-is-the-distributive-law-abc-abac-not-true-in-real-algebra)
also help:
every logic/programming nerd who sees this & doesn’t help me with it is a rotten egg
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [June 28, 2025, 7:51am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/435 "2025-06-28T07:51:13Z")
> [@Name This Phenomenon](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/name-this-phenomenon/81534/43):
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> form=material/medium … what/substance content=function=purpose=essence=value … why/force (the blueprint includes formal and final because it doesn’t exist apart from substance and action) mode=efficient (final) cause … how/action ¡You clazy!
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### Author:  [@Demon](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Demon)
#### Post date: [June 28, 2025, 4:39pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/436 "2025-06-28T16:39:55Z")
Symbol - in Russian and literally (sim volleyu) in translation - by this I show my will.
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### Author:  [@anon51310602](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/anon51310602)
#### Post date: [June 28, 2025, 10:01pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/437 "2025-06-28T22:01:57Z")
> [@Ichthus77](#):
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> No one has called me Mary since high school. My name is Maryann. To answer your question I have to get into time. It is on topic, but it creeps me out every time I try to complete the thought. I just wanna put it simply, but it always ends up getting more complicated. There are steps up to it that I need to complete first, I think. I have said parts of it so many different ways (some of that is all over this board), but it is never just right/whole (a correct framing relative to the available theories). I think part of it might be that I lack fluency in the relevant language from math, physics, chemistry, etc.
My apologies Maryann.
Yes, things can become quite complicated. Must they?
I’m approaching it purely from the Biblical perspective. Without delving into science, chemistry, mathematics, etcetera.
Biblically God is declared eternal (Isaiah 57:15). Eternal indicates no beginning and no end.
That God always is implicitly acknowledges nothingness never was. If there is something, God, there is not nothing. That alone reveals God did not create from nothing because God would be eternally. God is not nothing.
Further the entire creation-from-nothing or creation ex nihilo claim is a forced theological interpretation. Nowhere in the Bible is it explicitly stated that God created from nothing.
Combine that with New Testament Scripture: “For with God nothing shall be impossible” Luke 1:37 …and the idea becomes clear.
While more intensive examination would certainly be fascinating the central ideas seem direct enough to glean understanding.
Your thoughts?
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [June 29, 2025, 1:07am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/438 "2025-06-29T01:07:15Z")
I went into some of that here:
> [@On the impossibility of knowing a true tenseless fact without omnitemporality](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/on-the-impossibility-of-knowing-a-true-tenseless-fact-without-omnitemporality/81104):
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> TIME Q Posted on Equip / Reasonable Faith (also submitted as a question of the week) (Facebook discussion below) I recently took the Equip course on God‘s relationship to time and eternity. It was a great supplement to Dr. Craig’s recent coverage in the Defenders course over a number of sessions. A lingering question I have is: How can God know a tenseless 1492 fact that is embedded (timestamped) in time unless that time exists in some sense, and he knows what time it is in that sense, becau…
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### Author:  [@anon51310602](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/anon51310602)
#### Post date: [June 29, 2025, 3:05am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/439 "2025-06-29T03:05:55Z")
Your conclusion?
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [June 29, 2025, 3:13am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-harmonic-triads/48486/440 "2025-06-29T03:13:21Z")
…conclusion to what exactly? I have to consolidate all of my notes. That’s the first thing. You haven’t seen my notes. You don’t want to see my notes.
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