Still pretending… making me look like an idiot for even responding. Whatevs.
Meh:
Ach I don’t have time to untangle your cryptographic implications. Bye for today.
I talk shit in the open or nah.
It’s fine. I got better things to do with my life and time like “What should one do about earning a living?” guhhhh patience is a virtue I lack. Newsflash.
The specific question?
Can binary conditions alone produce true novel emergence, repeatedly?
Or, can a binary substrate alone give rise to novel mutations?
Yes, but everything cannot be reduce to dualism.
So to answer the yes part first here is a visualization:
- There is a dualism of Distinct and Indistinct:
DI
- The dualism of distinct and indistinct is distinct:
(DI)D
- The dualism of distinct and indistinct is indistinct:
(DI)I
- The dualism of distinct and indistinct is subject to the dualism of it being distinct and indistinct.
(DI)DI
- The dualism of dualisms is distinct:
((DI)DI)D
- The dualism of dualisms is indistinct:
((DI)DI)I
- The dualism of dualisms is subject to being a dualism:
((DI)DI)DI
- … The process continues indefinitely…
however each dualistic state is an expression of the first dualistic state at a different scale. The primary dualism exists as a fixed point, it exists across scale thus there is a relatively stable identity no matter how progressively complex the scale becomes.
However the scales change as the progression occurs thus each expression of the dualism appears differently thus resulting in a form of gradation as the multiple scales itself. In other terms each scale becomes a fixed point:
example (● will represent the binary DI presented earlier as a geometric visual):
There is the scale: ●●●●●●●●
● exists across the complete scale.
●● also exists across the complete scale.
●●●● also exists across the complete scale.
So as the scale progresses, not only are there fixed points which are stable, but the number of fixed points (scales that repeat within scales) multiplies thus resulting in the maintainance of the binary while simultaneously different scales as grades of it occurs.
So dualism results in gradation and neither contradict eachother.
…No… this is where the “no” part occurs:
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There is only a complete unity, this unity is indistinct as there is no contrast for it to be distinct thus the complete unity is void: ○
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The unity as void is the potential for it to be distinct as void thus becomes distinct by degree of self-contained self-contrast: ○○
In other words the indistinct void repeats self-referentially as its own distinction, otherwise there is no indistinct state, no void. Indistinction, void, is but potentiality. So what you see can be argued as “recursive potentiality” or “recursive void”.
The distinction is the recursion; ○○
as ○ is indistinct as there is no contrast for it to be distinct;
the recursion is the self-contrast but given the self contrast is contained by the recursion there is simultaneously self-containment as the recursion itself.
In shorter terms the distinction of potentiality is the distinction of actuality by the actuality of the potentiality being distinct as potentiality.
- This self contained self-contrast is a dualism as the distinction of the indistinct state is the indistinct indistinct from being indistinct; ie the negative is negated as negative, or the void is void of void: ○○
The dualism is the distinction of the indistinct which leaves itself as “distinction/indistinction” or “actuality/potentiality” or “being/void”
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The dualism is the first instance of scale by recursion/cycles.
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Process continues…
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So anywhayz.
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Do you have time for a Copilot session sometime?
I promise not to spam if you promise to slow down to Niall speed…
Is there an agenda of some sort?
Not really, just to learn some stuff. New ideas. Whatever. You can take the lead, I’ll just ask questions.
And can I have the link to the thingy, please, I can’t find it.
Duh, just needed to look, it wasn’t far up the thread…
It’s not nested though, I need a deeply nested example.
I’ll try a different domain, like city planning, that’s a bit of a favourite at the moment. Every city has a Be, Do, End, from the topological view right down to the individual, maybe that’s the way to go…
Will get my digi-buddy to help.
it’s going to link up similar to the way they simulate connectionism
except when it’s done correctly, it will be a lot more efficient
this is not something I think will ever happen
more than it already has
(at least not because of anything I do)
first, you have to translate between all the various fields so that the ambiguity created by using different words that have the same meanings, and too many meanings loaded into the same word, is minimized
i’m already sort of working on a disambiguation glossary
and it’s a load of crap saying I need to slow down to your speed because you go way way way too fast for me
I move very slowly
it is a time dump to do what you’re asking me to do because I have to read walls of text that get it wrong quite a bit and you just take a wrong text and run with it and I’m over here like no slow down
so I’m gonna need an agenda
i’m going to sleep
Also:
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My method is to produce like crazy, then boil, then distil. During that process, much has to be read and understood, so this is the slow part. I prepared the mash, as such, now I need to skim the crap off the top, and try to distil anything interesting. That’s the second pass. Then the third is even more distillation, refinement etc.
It’s like looking at a fractal being drawn on a 16-bit computer, it’s all blocky at first, then it gradually becomes more fine grained. Well that’s what I’m hoping for anyway.
At some point I will have produced something worthy of your time. I didn’t expect anyone to read all of the LLM output thread, a lot of it is pure brainfarts, but you never know, maybe I’m the goose who laid golden farts? So might as well overpost than underpost. I check how much data approx I’m using on this server and it’s not much, and the thread limit can contain the entire project, I’m sure of that.
I’m trying to render the fractal using another pass…
edit—did you see this?
Don’t worry about the pentagram. Just keep scrolling.
You’re so fucking clever.
Seriously.
It’s Copilot. I’m just playing with a really smart person.
Or that really smart person is bringing the ingredients to the table and Copilot is preparing the meal.
What a time to be alive, fuck it, said it.
That’s terrible.
What is terrible?
Bit vague there.
Who cares what’s terrible? Some dude said a vague thing and you’re supposed to care?