The Health Kare Reform

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The right wing always wins, there is no left. When Bush wanted to bomb Irak, everyone was with him, he said either you are part of the solution or part of the problem, either you are with us or against us, friend or enemy, there is no middle ground. And everyone said, yes, he has a backbone, lets go with the “winner”, Bush, the right wing that is not afraid of the conflict, the confrontation.

Obama with Healh Kare should have done exactly the same: he should have said there will be a very simple single payer health kare system, paid by government through taxes upon the rich. A total government system free for all but paid by the rich and banks and all those billions of dollars in the banks not doing anything. Then if you want your own private hospital or health kare, well there is the free market where anyone can charge anything and anyone can buy anything, who cares. And he should have said you are either part of the solution or part of the problem, either you are with us or against us, friend or enemy, there is no middle ground. The health kare reform would have been one sentence : “one single payer government system free for all.”

And he should have said we will slash doctors pay if necessary, nurses pay if necessary, etc.

And in fact there is no middle ground, either it is government single payer or it is private, he wanted to compromise, he wanted to find “common ground”, there is no “common ground”, there are only conflicts, winners or losers, rich or poor. Take it or leave it.

Then if he couldn’t pass this only real possible reform, then he should have punched them all in the face, just like Bush did, he punched all the opposition in the face when attacking Irak, and they all obeyed Bushes command. Punch them and the American people all in the face and say: if you don’t want the single payer system, then go to hell everyone, let the private hospitals and doctors and drug companies and nurses, and insurances hike the prices up as much as they want, hike them up so most poor people can’t afford it anymore, if some slob goes in the emergency room, the health kare thieves can take their homes, make them pay 5 figure numbers for everything. And in fact I hope the system collapses, I hope they keep on all hiking the prices of it all forever, that is what the fcktards - aswipes deserve, so stupid, such total morons…

The left doesn’t understand that people suck, they are bad, that you have to fight head on, crush the enemy, crush the opposition to make the weaker part of society win, there is no compromise, the is no common ground, only fights, winners or losers.

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From :

kunstler.com/blog/2011/01/jared-got-a-gun.html

Right wing thug says:

“A total government system free for all but paid by the rich and banks and all those billions of dollars…”

Well then it isn’t free. If it is paid for it isn’t free. Its paid for. And you seem to think that as long as someone else is paying for it (heaven forbid you should contribute) that it is free.

Do you also believe in the tooth fairy and Santa? Just curious.

I answer:

In fact you are part of the problem, you are the enemy, you must be crushed. I don’t want to find any common ground with you, I hate you and all of those who think like you, do you understand ? Just like Bush made everyone in the USA hate anyone against his attack on Irak, the same should be applied to those opposing the single payer, paid by the government and TAXES, that is right, TAXES, so everyone PAYS. Hope you pay more and more for health care, you must be rich.

I said, paid by the rich (anyone making more than 60,000 dollars a year could and should pay 2,000 a year for health care TAX) and slashing the doctors pay from 300,000 dollars a year to maybe 150,000 dollars a year, etc.

Then, if you don’t like the public hosiptals and doctors, pay your own private health care.

The single government pay system works quite well in most of the civilized world, Sweden, Finland, Canada, France, JAPAN, South Korea, etc. It may not be perfect, but perfection is not obtainable anywhere no matter how much you try.

Anyways, I really hope they all jack up the prices more and more for all things health kare, pay ever more for emergency, actually, I hope they eliminate that “free lunch” of emergency room service to the “poor lazy slobs” who don’t “want to work”, like all of you right wing fascists, egotists say. Let anyone who is not rich just drop dead, that also solves the problem of “overpopulation”, and illegal immigrants

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from

kunstler.com/blog/2011/01/jared-got-a-gun.html

right wing thug jimjim say:

“You want to create something “government paid”? There is no such thing you idiot. Governments don’t pay for shit. Citizens do. (That is the roughly 50% who pay income tax. The rest pay no income tax.)”

others say:

"But a college education today has been twisted into the only way possible to get a decent (i.e., good paying) job, and the scam is that 18 year olds are sold into debt servitude with the promise of being able to live better in the future than their degreeless age cohorts. "

I answer:

Because they want to filter out people according to their “skills” or their “knowledge” or all that abstract, fluff, impossible to predict, define, measure and useless knowledge all those professional titles mean. Most of those college people in cubicles aren’t really doing any real work, just fluff, office meetings, marketing, swindles, etc.

It is all a lie so the companies can turn around and say you are not skilled enough and lay you off, you must “update” your knowledge to the new skills needed, etc. What a boatload of mega crap.

It is a way to make people feel completely powerless since the jobs they do are so meaningless and abstract and make believe, they are always in anxiety because the boss and company can fire them for any or no reason at all.

But they can lay off all those peole because the “work” they do is not needed and useless anyway.

Like creating financial instruments ie subprime loans.

As for you jimjim, you are a fktard, aswipe that wants private health care instead of government paid health care for all. So I really hate you and all of those who still believe in this absurd, false myth of the benefits of private health care, what morons, I hope the american people finally wake up and crush all you types with exteme force.

I meant, Crush all you right wing thugs with extreme force and create a public - government paid and led health care system, paid for by taxes upon the rich: either you are for this or against this, it is really a total fight now, there is no more room for any compromise, either one side wins or the other, really.

Paid by TAXES UPON THE RICH

And actually paid by taxes in general, taxes everyone should pay, but higher rates for those making 60,000 a year or more. Do you understand, enemy ? Do you understand right wing nutcase - thug ? Why does it work well in Finland, Sweden, JAPAN, etc, but in the US it can’t ?

And as I said, I am not against there being private hospitals, doctors etc. If you have the cash go buy it, it wouldn’t be outlawed, but you give the public option to everyone for free (even though paid by taxes).

You are another brainwashed right wing thug that will eventually be crushed.

And jimjim says:

“you must “update” your knowledge to the new skills needed, etc. What a boatload of mega crap.”

Yeah, heaven forbid someone should have to be current in their knowledge regarding their jobs.

I answer:

Exactly what specific skills must the 100,000 workers at JP Morgan be updated in ? New programming languages (that do the same old things with a different syntax but serve to kick out older expert programmers because the companies want to hire cheap h1b types) ? New meeting styles ? New IPAD apps to do the same oldidiotic financial tricks they have been doing in the last 20 years ?

You really think all those workers in skyscrapers ae producing something other than fluf, make believe stuff, but most of all status relatiionships - office politics ?

And all the new fairy tale skills and languages and procedures , and “processes”, “workflows”, “presentations”, and all the new innovations serve to create new jobs for new trainers, colleges, with the myth of lifelong learning, lifelong college attendance (and hefty price) when the end result is trillions of dollars of debt and thousands of layoffs of older, now useless engineers, programmers, financial analysts, etc.

You really believe in all of this corporate boatload of mega crap ?

I can’t believe it…

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I enjoyed the British National Health System. They took good care of my dislocated fingers, broken ankle, and ruptured appendix in the four years I lived there.
Then on one occasion I was having chest pains in my left side and went to get checked out. They gave me a cursory exam and said it was nothing to worry about just take some aspirin and take it easy for a day or two when it happens. I was worried though and not satisfied (being an American and having grown up with all the anti-social health propaganda they feed us out here I was inherently mistrustful). So I booked a full-physical at a private hospital down the road, spent $400, talked with the doctor about my specific concerns, and after a battery of examinations and tests was told that mild scoliosis was compressing my left ribs and that heavy lifting and such might aggravate them from time to time. Nothing to worry about.

I believe that the average income tax in Britain, as of last year, is 0.5% LESS than the average income tax in the US.
And I’m not even sure that’s including our “Social (in)Security” tax.

But what the powers that be had Obama pitch and execute wasn’t even trying to be reform health care. I didn’t see a single mention of a state-run health care program, state hospitals, state clinics - none of it. It was purely insurance reform. Make health insurance mandatory just like auto insurance. Another private-benefit racket to be enforced by law to the expense of the people.