The hill we choose to plant our flag on

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I noticed RealUn has proclaimed the focal point
of his philosophy being there is two genders…
an interesting hill to plant a flag on, but ok, let us
work with that…

there has been since the beginning of human existence,
cross-dressing and homosexual behavior…millions
of people feeling that they were born the wrong sex…
and millions of others being uncomfortable with their sex…
this is a fact…and yet, RealUn only response to this is,
‘‘Deal with it’’… my primary question is this,
how does this feeling of being born the wrong sex,
impact RealUn? by what right does he have to tell millions
of people they are wrong? one of the primary ‘‘tells’’ between
the left and the right lies in their ‘‘judgements’’ of others…
the right believes in moral absolutes, there is but one way
and one way only to do things… whereas, for me anyway,
I don’t see how a gay person in Ohio is any of my business.
by what right do I have to judge that gay person as being
‘‘immoral’’ or wrong? the idea of ‘‘LGBTQ’’ doesn’t frighten me
nor does it disgust me… as it seems to frighten RealUn…
What do I care if someone is ''LGBTQ"… It doesn’t impact me
nor does it change who I am or what am I to be… in every
vital way, they ‘‘LGBTQ’’ are me… ‘‘prick them, do they
not bleed?’’ and their needs, both bodily and psychological
are the exact same needs as I have… food, water, shelter,
education, love, health care, the need to belong, and to
be esteemed, to name some similar needs that ALL
human beings have…

the main difference is that RealUn, as conservatives
often do, judge people by their differences, instead of
their similarities… for me, it is completely irrelevant
if others want to hold to different genders, what do I care?
I applaud them in fact, for expanding the possibilities of
human beings… conservatives always seem to want
to limit what it means to be human, there is only two
genders, men can only be men and women can
only be women… what a narrow point of view…
I am in favor of pushing the boundaries of what it means
to be human… the declaration of Independence lays it out
best…

‘‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men
are created equal, that they are endowed by their
creator with certain unalienable rights, that among
these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness’’

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness…
that I should, that everyone should have the liberty
to pursue happiness, and that happiness is derived from
my own pursuit of happiness, as I deem my happiness
to be, not by the likes of RealUn, who is the best
judge of his own happiness… just as I am, my
own best judge of happiness… and if being
any of the above fills me with happiness, then
I should engage with it, because it isn’t hurting
anyone… the idea of ‘‘LGBTQ’’ is to pursue
one’s own happiness, to think of oneself as
being outside of the two genders is to pursue
one’s happiness… just as the declaration of
Independence suggests… life, liberty and
the pursuit of happiness… and by what right
do I have to tell others that their own pursuit
of happiness is wrong because I, I feel it is
wrong… I judged them wrong…

there is no hill upon which I can rightfully say
allows me to judge others as being wrong because
they are in pursuit of their own happiness…
just as I pursue my own happiness…
by what right do you have to condemn my own
pursuit of happiness? I am old and long time
married man, but I will fight to the death the
right of people to choose their own happiness,
even if, even if I don’t approve of it…
because I have no ‘‘hill’’ to judge others on
their lifestyle choices…

Kropotkin

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I’d rather avoid this silly childish person. If they can’t understand the human beings have very differet perspectives on things, and gender is a mode of expressing a preferred sexual orientation, then nobody can help them.

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There’s a difference between biological sexes and sexual identity, they’re not the same thing or interchangeable.

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to RealUn and others like him, there is some belief
in their being ‘‘absolute’’ values… Absolute being
another word for objective… and are there
‘‘objective’’ truths? Not that I can tell…
truths that under no circumstances can be challenged
or are considered to be eternal… but what value/values
can be considered to be eternal? Forever?

a moral standpoint that homosexuality is always wrong,
is also ‘‘ad hoc’’ of the moment… for morality changes,
sometimes quite drastically, what was considered to be wrong
one day is quite socially acceptable the next day…
Take the dramatic changes in states law regarding to
Marijuana for example… at one time, weed was morally
wrong, and today, today it is quite acceptable…
for my various aches and pain, I use gummies/edibles…
and my sleep has tremendously improved because of it…

as morality and ethics seem to change, often quite dramatically,
we can’t call morals and ethics as eternal or forever,
objective… let us ask, what value that we have today,
is also objective, eternal, forever? None that I can see…

the societal edicts against certain behavior, certain actions,
changes from state to state/society to society, civilization
to civilization… how can we make these societal edicts
eternal if they change from society to society?
even a basic one like, thou shall not kill,
is riddled with exceptions and reservations…
if ‘‘thou shall not kill’’ were eternal, forever,
objective, then certainly no exceptions or reservations
would be allowed… ‘‘thou shall not kill’’ is clearly
‘‘ad hoc’’ of the moment, subjective, and not objective…
as are all morals and ethical beliefs…that morals
and ethics are subjective, not objective… for where does
the objective belief, actually exist? In god? which god?
which religion? Which faith has objective/eternal
morals and ethics? the faith of Ra, or the faith of
Zoroaster, the faith of Zeus? None of these religions
matter anymore… the followers have lost or killed
their god by a lack of faith…and isn’t morality,
ethics as much a question of faith as it is a question
of the state?

You say there are only two genders… and you base
this on what faith or eternal/objective value?
for example, there is another ‘‘gender’’ in the animal world,
that is called ‘‘unisexual’’ which includes mammals, birds,
reptiles and fish… so, in the animal world, we have three
genders, and who is to say that is all the animal world has,
only three genders? For all we know, there could be a fourth
even a fifth gender in the animal world… lobsters for example,
can display both male and female reproductive charateristics…
how would that fit into your belief that there are only two genders?
Animals that have both male and female reproductive
characteristics amount to 5% of all animal species…
and what about ‘‘intersex’’ human beings? What gender
are they?

The general point I am aiming for is in thinking that there
are but two genders, one becomes blind to other possibilities…
One cannot see what is possible for human beings…

I am suggesting that to believe that there are only two
genders is to be blind to the possibilities within human beings…
as well as being blind to other human possibilities…

Kropotkin

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Bob:
I’d rather avoid this silly childish person. If they can’t understand the human beings have very differet perspectives on things, and gender is a mode of expressing a preferred sexual orientation, then nobody can help them.

K: I agree with you, but there are also others reading this,
and perhaps they are not as blind or fixated as RealUn
appears to be… they maybe more open to what is possible
for human beings than RealUn is…
just a hope…

Kropotkin

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Gender and sexual identity are not the same thing. There are only two biological genders, male and female. LGBTQ falls under the umbrella of sexual identity not gender, they are not the same things.

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Mr. Authoritarian:
Gender and sexual identity are not the same thing. There are only two genders, male and female. LGBTQ falls under the umbrella of sexual identity not gender, they are not the same things.

K: I gave an answer in the post above… try reading that
to get my response…

Kropotkin

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The difference once again is that biologically speaking there is only men and women, male or female in terms of gender. Everything else is merely sexual identity something of which I would argue isn’t biological at all or something people are born with because that’s just silly, nobody is born with any kind of identity let alone a sexual one, there’s nothing innate about identity, those are things that are acquired after birth.

Heterosexuality is the majority norm, homosexuality makes up a small minority of the population, so there’s always going to be prejudices in those regards. Trying to eradicate all of human prejudice seems like an impossible task. Likewise, just because one mutilates themselves referring to themselves as male or female in sexual identity afterwards even though they weren’t born naturally as either doesn’t make them any more biologically men or women in terms of gender. The words gender and identity become blurred here, they shouldn’t because they are not the same things at all.

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Peter Kropotkin:
You say there are only two genders… and you base
this on what faith or eternal/objective value?
for example, there is another ‘‘gender’’ in the animal world,
that is called ‘‘unisexual’’ which includes mammals, birds,
reptiles and fish… so, in the animal world, we have three
genders, and who is to say that is all the animal world has,
only three genders? For all we know, there could be a fourth
even a fifth gender in the animal world… lobsters for example,
can display both male and female reproductive characteristics…
how would that fit into your belief that there are only two genders?
Animals that have both male and female reproductive
characteristics amount to 5% of all animal species…
and what about ‘‘intersex’’ human beings? What gender
are they?

K: as I pointed out in an earlier post…

Kropotkin