The human spirit: the many faces of Dionysus.

The spirit is Dionysian. But that’s not to say that everyone’s spirit is the same. Dionysus has many faces, many aspects - from Dionysus the tragic superhero to Dionysus the lover and Dionysus the destroyer/creator. The spirit represents the best part of a person, their greatest self. It is not the spokesperson of the soul. It lives on mountaintops and breathes pure air. Only a superabundance of life is here communicated.

To the contrary: the Dionysian experience is ecstatic in nature; it necessarily entails the denial of one’s ‘inner essence’, or spirit, in favor of a nearly-schizoid experience at the limit of human understanding. One must become nearly a flame, and must at any rate deny the invisible boundaries erected by soul-belief around each individuated being.

Yes, and this includes both action and thought. I would call this tracing out one’s spirit, or becoming Dionysus.

I know.

I’d call it the “Great body” but the choice of words aside, the question isn’t to discuss the reality of this state but rather how best to realize it.

My worry is that in trying to realize it, there are many camels who mistake their humps for manes.

LSA, possibly DMT. Maybe some form of mushroom. There are many theories, but it seems probably that they were taking something during the so-called Eleusinian Mysteries, which were ceremonies held yearly in ancient greece.

These drugs can be pretty hard to get in our society and are also very illegal. However, DMT can be made from many grasses and LSA is found in the fungus ergot, which grows on rye and barley. Psychedelic Mushrooms grow all over the country, but it’s never a good idea to eat a mushroom, as many are deadly.

Or if you really wanted to get into the Dionysian spirit drink some wine. Afterall he was the god of wine.

Strickly speaking, the Roman god Bacchus is the god of wine. Dionysus, rather, is the god of superabundance.

And many children who might still grow up… :frowning:

OP revised.

They were both the god of wine, Bacchus is just the roman name for Dionysus.

I stand by what I said.

That is unfortunate. I too have said the same words, and they have resulted in my becoming a gourmet cook. I will be happy to send you my many recipes for crow. It’s not as bad as they say, although I hope you enjoy foods which are 50 percent ketchup… :frowning:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionysus

Dave

Well, as far as my limited knowledge of the matter extends, Dionysus represents the destruction of the ‘self’. He inspires the satyr-choruses of the tragedy. He is the spirit that enkindles a sense of unification with all that is, decimating the ‘identities’ that suspends the subjective concepts of something from nothing. In other words, he extracts all notions of suffering that the protagonist in a story may experience, and reduces the magnification to a larger projection so that the audience may share this collective suffering aswell. This can, in some regards, be compeared to Trantric Buddhist-like philosophies–it harbors a great deal of nihilism in that it simply coalesces all of existence into a singular instance of finiteness. Dionysus himself can be considered the epitome of ecstatic ‘nirvana’, a state of being (or unbeing?) that makes someone become ‘one’ with the Universe.

Meanwhile, Apollo–rather than denying it–is affirming the ontological world of the ‘self’ and ‘identity’ almost blindly; putting forth creations and exertions in all of their individualistic, boundary-drawing forms. Since art essentially is nothing more than a lie (kitsch as it were), they are merely instruments toward the advancement of his will to power. He is the enforcer of his own borders of dominion, while Dio merely destroys all borders of differentiation, including his own. But to charge allegations that Dionysus the destroyer is committing such acts so as to affirm his own creations–i.e. borders of dominion–would merely mean that he was once the destroyer spirit Dionysus, but transformed into the creator spirit Apollo.

Either way, they are both codependent and incumbent upon one another. Sometimes, boundaries must be torn down. That’s were Dionysus’ belligerence comes in. Other times, boundaries must be erected. That’s were Apollo’s commanding presence comes in.

I would like to add that the spirit is often moderated (that is, reduced to silence) by Apollo.

Chaos and Order, they both dance around nullity; and in the ebb and flow the world arises.

Bump. (op revised)

I’d go with that - wasn’t it more or less what Nietzsche was after in The Birth Of Tragedy?

And any time is a good one for a quote from N Dawg!

Where the Dionysian powers rise up as impetuously as we experience them now, Apollo, too, must already have descended among us, wrapped in a cloud; and the next generation will probably behold his most ample beautiful effects.

(from section 25 geocities.com/thenietzschechannel/bt5.htm)

Dionysus offends my taste.