The Hunter & The Murderer

The hunter kills for utility.
Whether it’s for survival, refining skills, sport, acquiring materials.
Generally no malice or cruelty.
The death of the prey, is a means to an end - an inevitable part of the process.
The hunter seeks not to cause suffering.

The murderer kills for pleasure.
Generally the pleasure of causing the prey’s death.
To murder is a product of hate and resentment -
as the murderer disregards the prey’s welfare.
The murderer wants to inflict suffering.
Control - ultimate power, where lacking elsewhere.
A game of setting the scales to the murderer’s ideals.

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Both entail causing death, but each reflect vastly different characters.
Vastly different moral quandaries.
Vastly different impacts on the conscience.

Being a non-human animal murderer is a lot more grey, legally, than a human murderer.
Safer way to get the feet wet.
But it’s a slippery slope into depravity,
and once you go on that slide,
it leaves a mark on you.
You’ll never return to the person who hadn’t entered the slide.
You can claw back out of that slide, if you’re lucky,
but this slide hides hidden barbs and toxins -
it leaves it’s mark.
You’ll be forever be scarred.

Forever scarred.

You’re scarred, and they’re dead. Forever dead.
No amends to the dead.
Their life was suffering.
And some ignorant beast was the cause.

Such is life.
No pretty bow,
just plain ol’ atrocity.
Run of the mill horror.
Bleak, callous disregard.

Such can be life.
Such can be existence.

If there’s any silver lining,
we need not repeat the past in the present.

Have you ever seen a cat kill a mouse?
They’re incredibly cruel,
but it’s practice for hunting,
not that I understood that.
The mouse was having a bad day.
The cat had many bad days after that too.
You get it - ignorant retaliation.
Some stupid excuse to be brutal.
They said it was a trigger.

And the rest is history.

[Why do I post this shit? I suppose to humiliate myself.]

Are you implying cats feel guilty after toying with a mouse to death?

(They don’t)

No, that I tortured the cat.

Oh ok

“we need not repeat the past in the present”

^that :slight_smile:

Cars are incredibly afraid, so they take it out on lease beings, a very logical disposition, that’s why they call them scarify cats.

Can even God change the past?

Was it not all real,
even if we forget?
Even if He rewrites a million stories of heaven,
there’d always be this little corner of existence…

A bittersweet light flickering within the depths of an abyss,
like a porchlight that didn’t get the memo of house abandonment.
But can’t I linger here a moment longer?

Brush my hand against once living wood,
now crumbling into the earth,
to be recycled and reborn.

Perhaps to show again the pretty hues of youth -
To once again,
soar like the mayfly,
in the light of the sun and moon.

Dancing between forms,
to the vibrations of the cosmos,
in the name of love.

Was it not all worth it?
Could even He say it ought never been?
‘The sweet is never as sweet without the sour.’

We can create meaning from the suffering.

A compass, so we may head true.
An anchor, so we may stand tall against the sling & arrows.
An antidote, so we may cure it next time.
A foundation, so we we may build monuments…

Monuments carved with their names.

Meno_, …I just. Someone help Meno_, please.

Ben JS … that was solid.

I don’t think Meno is advocating harm.
To say something is logical,
is not to say it is preferable.

Cats are often be scaredies,
comes with intelligence.
But their instincts overpower them,
and in a frenzy,
they become viscous killers -
lured by their flesh,
deathly whispers from forces bigger,
to subsume judgement.

But after the corpse of their prey rests,
I wonder what they think about…

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Who are we to say Meno’s path?
Perhaps he knows exactly where he’s walking.
Have you asked?

[EDIT: Thanks for the kind words - hope you find meaning in it.]

See? You didn’t get Meno_’s joke. He was calling self-driving cars scaredy cats who take it out on beings who lease (not “buy”), but he … it’s hard … to explain.

^^^We ALL need help.^^^

That was a clever one, I tip my hat to him. =D>
I wrote it off akin to the non-intelligible string of symbols Meno is fond of attaching to his work.

Honestly, I barely even read Meno.
If he doesn’t have the respect for me to speak candidly,
I’m not going to waste my fucking energy try to decipher his bullshit.

He already has demonstrated his capacity to speak candidly,
but he has his own vision - and own path. Power to him.

But I also have my own,
and it’s not to invest energy into his game -
because once deciphered,
half of what he says is as trivial to me as any other babble on this forum.

At least others show the mundanity of their speech openly.
Meno, with all due respect, masks his with riddles.

He’s intelligent and has many insights,
but which is which,
and why ought I lift the burden of his bullshit?

The joke went less over my head, than through one ear and out the other.
If you know what I mean.

But also, I don’t need your approval as to my astuteness.
Dismiss me, if you so will… water under the bridge -
energy thrown into the river of time.

I think Meno interests you far more than I,
which is why you have the inclination to pay attention.
To each their own.

Help is beneficial, but not always necessary.

If we unpacked the term ‘need’,
that would become apparent to you.

‘To what end?’

Living self=other despite the fear of death/life.

We cannot arrive there alone, despite in a sense being always already there. If we ever really arrive.

But is there truly the possibly we’d ever be alone, or could make it so?
It’ll be as it’ll be.
Need we ask anything?

I’m good.

I’m not.
And you’re a liar.

But, you’re just making another joke that I’m too stupid to see, right? :wink:

No. I’m not joking. I’m good, as in I have no further questions.

P.s. You’re obv not stupid.

‘Need we ask anything?’

In the context of, does anyone truly need to ask for anything?
As life will unfold as it does.
And what if we don’t get the ‘needed’, then what?
We may very well survive.
And what is need to the one grasping their last breath?
Is there anything they truly need?
Or will existence handle the formalities without question?

You said we all need help.
Maybe that was a miss.
But do you have the capacity to admit it?
Or perhaps save face with aloofness.

‘I didn’t really care anyway.’

You do you, Ich.

I’m an idiot.
Eternally.

Feel welcome to dismiss me.