The unit is GROUP. You are dividing 1 group into fractional parts of the group. 1 group divided into 4 parts does not equal 1.0 banana, it equals .25 group.
I already gave you an example with 1 dozen eggs, did it go over your head?
Again:
12 eggs divided into 3 parts is 4 eggs per part, and 3 x 4 = 12. NO PROBLEM, everything checks out 100%. Notice how the unit is “EGGS” and there are 12.0 of them???
1 Dozen divided into 3 parts is not 4 eggs, it is .333… dozen, which .333… x 3 = .999… NOT 1.0 dozen. Notice how the unit is “dozen” and there are 1.0 of them?
You don’t have to call anyone a moron, but the fact that you are proves how much of a troll you really are! You didn’t even respond to the points I made, your troll skills are slipping.
If you call any person a moron one more time and someone reports it, I’m gonna give you a temporary ban.
I laid out all of my argument for the paradox in great detail, and instead of responding to it in good faith, you just call me a moron, so my patience for your trolling is at an end. No matter how polite other people have been to you in the past, you always manage to become belligerent, insulting, and engage in all sorts of bad faith tactics. If you cannot stop that, this is going to be the beginning of the end of your time here.
I engaged with you in good faith, without insults, for a very long time and took a lot of abuse from you before I ever called you a troll. It’s over now. You can choose to start engaging in good faith without insults, or you can get banned.
You engaged in good faith? LOL
You’ve been calling me a troll throughout this thread. I am not a troll for teaching you an uncomfortable truth that you don’t care to listen to.
ecmandu and every other person on this board CONSTANTLY call each other all sorts of names and they are still here, but when I do it I am warned of being banned, OUT FUCKING RAGEOUS!
Go ahead and ban me you fucking moron! I am wasting my time here anyway trying to teach a bunch of idiotic morons where there mistake is.
I only ever called you a troll after a lot of abuse from you. You have never engaged in good faith with the arguments I’ve put forward. If you read the original thread and look objectively at our interactions, you’ll see a pattern of polite disagreement from me and belligerence, insults and bad faith from yourself.
I’m giving you a chance to take a different approach now. Take it or leave it.
I’ll leave it, fuck off. You started in with calling me troll and making snide remarks about me, and now you are playing the little innocent one card. What a douchebag!
I gave you exact examples which you disregard and never even respond to, because it doesn’t fit in with your BS.
Maybe someday you will learn the difference between a group and a banana. Maybe someday you will learn the difference between 12 eggs and 1 dozen eggs. I doubt it, though, because you’re a moron just like obsrvr is.
obsrvr can split 1 dollar into 3 parts and end up with 3 dollars! If that isn’t a moron I don’t know what is! Maybe it’s you, the one that claims you can split 1.0 group into 4 bananas. Here’s a clue, 1 divided by 4 = .25, not 4.0, MORON!
The truth is I would love to have an actual good faith conversation with you about it. I haven’t seen evidence that you’re capable of that yet, but if you were I would genuinely enjoy trying to see if we can come to some common ground about the question of divisibility by 3.
So far when I’ve tried, you devolve into anger and insults, on top of being unwilling to even clarify aspects of your own position - a classic bad faith tactic. If you could drop those behaviours we could get somewhere.
But it seems you’re not interested in that. You’ve chosen the tone of your interactions here. You chose them on the very first page of the original thread - I encourage you to read it again and see where it is you started being unnecessarily belligerent towards me.
You can turn it around at your whim. It’s always been up to you.
I would like to start a new thread without the weight and history of this one, one where it’s just me and you - we agree to ignore anyone elses post, just respond to each other, and my goal is not a debate or even agreement but just an unheated conversation about why it is we disagree on these points. The conversation would be predicated on an agreement of genuine good faith, and not a desire to one up, make a fool of the other or insult.
If you’re up for that, I’ll start a new thread, and you can start with what you’ve just asked here. You up?
That is indeed a paradox but I don’t think he’s really a troll. I’d say he’s merely a bit too certain of his convictions which is why he spends little to no time listening to other people and pretty much all time talking. The flow of the conversation is very stiff due to this.
You’re missing the point. Let’s take small steps.
First, you said that a whole cannot be divided into 3 equals parts.
Did you or did you not say that?
Then, I disagreed with you, claiming that it’s possible, and proceeding to show you how we can take a whole and cut it into three equal parts.
I chose a group of three bananas as my whole.
Is “a group of three bananas” a whole or is it not?
Please, respond with a clear Yes or No. Don’t be like Ecmandu. It helps the discussion.
Then I divided the whole into 3 sub-groups each containing the same number of bananas – that number being one. Each sub-group ended up containing exactly one banana, meaning, they ended up being equal in size. They are equal and they are parts of the original whole; thus, they are equal parts of the whole. Beside that, these parts are the only parts that constituted the original whole. No part of the original whole has been left out. As such, we have broken down a whole into exactly 3 parts all of which are equal. Is that or is that not the case?
There you go again. Proof that you are not capable of an honest response to an honest question. You claim you want an honest discussion and respond in good faith but you just showed that you are incapable of that.
You disregard the question and go off on some tangent, as usual. Where is your “good faith” honest response to my question?
You came up with yet another one I didn’t predict –
So to you - if there is a group of 100 people and it gets divided into two groups of 50 people -
then 1 / 2 = 2
I just wanted an honest reply to my question, which you claimed that’s what you do, that you respond in good faith. No you don’t, as I just showed. I asked a simple direct question and you did not respond with an answer to the question, you went off on some tangent, avoiding the question. That is dishonest of you, and is not a “good faith” response.
I want to respond to you in good faith, in a context where we’ve both agreed to talk to each other in good faith. That context doesn’t exist right now - I don’t have any sort of agreement from you that you will engage in good faith without insults, so right now it feels like a very one sided arrangement that you’re capable of abusing.
Hence the suggestion for a new thread, for just me and you, where we have that explicit agreement and can engage in equal, and hopefully cordial terms.
I’m trying to create that context, to cleanse the conversation of anything that isn’t within that tone of engagement. Do you not want that?
You just defined a group as 100 people. Dividing the group into 2 equal parts means each part is .5 group, or 1/2 group. Two 1/2 groups equal 1.0 whole group. DUH?
You just did it again, you split 1 dollar into 2 parts and ended up with 2 dollars! A magician you are!
I call people morons to protect them from severe hell realms. It’s different.
you weren’t taught correctly
you’re mentally handicapped
you have a tic disorder
That covers everyone.
The only reason you’re still here is that when you call someone a moron, you attempt an actual argument.
That’s how Carleas set up these boards.
Motor Daddy.
We use the word moron in different ways.
Everyone here is telling you that you can’t think in it’s own base… that you translate base 10 from different bases.
You can’t think in a base besides base 10.
Sometimes in life… there’s only one person in life who is correct when everyone disagrees with them.
Been there. Done that.
Most the time in life… if everyone disagrees with you, you need to take stock of what you’re arguing, because almost 100% of the time, they’re right and your wrong.
We can make this discussion about definitions if you want.
