The Jesus I know is a Jew. Yours is a Roman puppet.
The Western Governments have taken a Middle Eastern God and Westernized Jesus and tried to make him viable and relevant in our modern world. The jury is in. It does not work. His morals are lacking.
Christianity has failed due to the fact that Christianity reversed the moral direction of the Jewish Jesus, including liberation of women from male oppression. It failed because the parent religion was too weak to hold together. Its weakness remains onto today as we can see with the plethora of Christian and other Abrahamic sects.
Inequality of the sexes is a policy that is completely opposed to Jesus’ teachings of all bodies having a spark of God within us. The kingdom of God is within you.
The Government created Jesus does not promote freedom and free thinking nor the equality of women and gays. The Christian Jesus wants sheep.
The Gnostic Christian and Jewish Jesus’ on the other hand were to live and lead. Not die and be forever absent.
All the Jesus’ are archetypes IMO and never lived. If a real Jesus ever lived then he would have been just a man because a divine Jesus doing anything for man is reduced in importance because it is an all-powerful God doing it. Who cares if such a God died and resurrects 100 times?
A man can only die once so life to man is important. Physical life to God is not important at all. If God was just ridding a human body then the sacrifice was no big deal.
Simply stated.
The Roman or Government created Jesus is a government boot licking pacifist stooge.
The Jewish and Gnostic Christian Jesus is a freedom fighter and freedom lover.
Only you can tell us that if you have internalized a Jesus myth.
There may never have been an external one to you. Jesus sold the idea that he was within you.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
This clip shows how we are to try to internalize whatever belief in Jesus one has. That is what brings enlightenment. Something the churches do not teach as they want full control of what is believed about Jesus. They like their particular set of lies.
Constantine bought the then Orthodox Church and set their policies. Especially the deification of Jesus so that Constantine could be seen as the next God/Man.
Greatest is just mad at Christianity for some reason. He makes shit up, cobbles together an argument, lets it float for a day until enough people roll their eyes, then comes up with a new one. I dunno what you hope to gain from this thread phyllo.
I get that I have bought into a myth of Jesus and you want to sell me another myth. But when I ask for specifics of your Gnostic myth, you have nothing to say.
I gotta find Jesus myself? Couldn’t you accelerate the process for me?
Even Zen Buddhists, who believe that understanding must be personally experienced, still have monasteries and techniques designed to make it easier for the seeker.
Your history is right here for anybody to read. That you are just cross-posting everything here from other Christian forums is available to anybody who can do a Google search. What I described is how you come off- an angry guy who wants to attack belief systems by vaguely disguising your attacks as arguments.
I hope to get a positive statement, as opposed to the usual negations.
It’s easy to say that everything that Jesus did or said is wrong. It’s easy to say that everything someone believes about Jesus is wrong.
Tell me what Jesus did right. Tell me what I ought to believe about Jesus.
Positive statements require defense, open one up to criticism; I wouldn't hold my breath. Anyway, I basically believe what the Eastern Orthodox Church believes about Jesus. So, if you're looking for a positive statement- what they say about Jesus is right. He was God, third person of the Trinity, resurrected on the third day, etc. I can defend positions as needed.
If that is true, why are you so much bothered?
And, why your version only should be taken as ture, not others?
Actually, the precise argument of GIM is -
Coke is bad for health but Pepsi is good for the simple reason that my first name also starts with P, though both are nothing but just synthatic flavored co2 with some sugar.
The crucifixion, is a literal demonstration of this very confusion between the two faces of Jesus, and the Catholic notion of the Holy Trinity is created, and creates the third aspect: The Holy Spirit. The crucifixion serves both purposes: to diffuse the confusion and to mitigate the guilt over it’s own clarification.
Jesus said to seek God. I cannot do it for you but I can show you what I think works.
I don’t want you to buy into the Gnostic Christian myth anymore than I want you to buy into the Christian one.
I just show the morality that I see in both and show why I chose the Gnostic Christian theology over the Christian one.
Both have Jesus and it does not matter which one you internalize.
Give a listen to this man and see if you can understand what he is selling in terms of a way to activate your pineal gland.
They are all myths so I don’t know what truth of what version you are talking about.
I push a method for enlightenment via whatever religion or myth you want to believe in. I start with reiterating what Jesus says in scriptures and if people do not bite from there then they are not likely reading what I put down.
So which Jesus do you prefer. The freedom fighter or the wimp?