The Metaphysical Airplane (capslockf9)

[Jayson]

Cut and snipped to here because it didn’t really belong in the other thread that it came from…

@Sauwelios

In fact, to take a metaphysical stance on existence is illogical, as it means placing oneself beyond existence, separate from existence. We cannot judge the whole, because we are part of the whole, mixed up in it.

@capslockf9

[size=150]we are metaphysical beings.
the airplane is over loaded. The weight is holding it down. Some baggage needs to dumped. N ot until it is lighter will the plane start to leave the surface. Start throwing wrong and unused baggage out the door. The last thing that needs to go is the airplane. Get rid of the airplane to see that you could have flown all along.

Do not comfuse the human organism as the self. The self and even the true self are immaterial beings.[/size]

@Sauwelios

I think that’s bullshit.

@capslockf9

[size=150]All the concrete that you feel and all the hardness of your lap top will upon a closer examination dissolve in empty space. And according to quantum physic it is from that empty space that matter flits in and out of. But the matter was and is never there (out there) is all occured in the mind. And the mind floats somewhere in that empty space as well.

Everything is a colorless fuzz-ball of invisible energy. All the color smell touch and sound are created in the mind. And the mind floats somewhere in that empty space.

One can think that they are the body (the organism). While the whole time that organism is dissolving back into its basic elements and integrating them back again. The body is a process. The body is a sense organ that is continualy reformulated, that is untill homeostasis is lost and electron bonding and co-valencings are redirected. Some electrons bond with the oxygen or carbon atoms.
And then the body start to rot. The stink is created in the mind.

What ever you think you are that thinking is happening in an immaterial.[/size]

[moresillystuff]

@Sauwelios

In fact, to take a metaphysical stance on existence is illogical, as it means placing oneself beyond existence, separate from existence. We cannot judge the whole, because we are part of the whole, mixed up in it.

Doesn’t this come dangerously close to judging the whole?
Aren’t axioms metaphysical?
Isn’t believing, for example, in the Persistant Self, metaphysical?
Don’t most of us get by all day on metaphysical ideas including the separation of subject and object, free will, the impossibility of or the possibility of action at a distance, the existence of other minds, that what we experience is not a constructed ‘thing’ but reality, and so on?

I mean who isn’t a metaphysician, at least some of the time?

[Oughtist]

@moresillystuff

@Sauwelios

In fact, to take a metaphysical stance on existence is illogical, as it means placing oneself beyond existence, separate from existence. We cannot judge the whole, because we are part of the whole, mixed up in it.

Doesn’t this come dangerously close to judging the whole?
Aren’t axioms metaphysical?
Isn’t believing, for example, in the Persistant Self, metaphysical?
Don’t most of us get by all day on metaphysical ideas including the separation of subject and object, free will, the impossibility of or the possibility of action at a distance, the existence of other minds, that what we experience is not a constructed ‘thing’ but reality, and so on?

I mean who isn’t a metaphysician, at least some of the time?

So, perhaps, in The end, one cannot judge The whole; but neither can one avoid judging It, from The beginning. We are, instead, meaning A whole, which is otherwise meaningless.

capslockf9 wrote: Everything is a colorless fuzz-ball of invisible energy. All the color smell touch and sound are created in the mind. And the mind floats somewhere in that empty space.

And a mind attempts to move, and cannot avoid doing so (brackets on meditation here). And in doing so, language and sentience is processed, and everything is endlessly subject to judgement, so long as there is meaningfully any movement.

[moresillystuff]

@Oughtist

So, perhaps, in The end, one cannot judge The whole; but neither can one avoid judging It, from The beginning. We are, instead, meaning A whole, which is otherwise meaningless.

I don’t think one can come at life without having made some metaphysical assumptions. Or to put this another way - we all rely on intuition and many of our intuitions are implicitly metaphysical stances.

One person’s metaphysics is another person’s common sense is another person’s cult is another person’s indefensible hypothesis.

[Oughtist]

Yes, and our judgements are to some extent or other unavoidably erroneous, perhaps precisely in relation to whatever degree we insist for them to be true. In fact, we’re primarily thought-reproduction systems, and our metaphysical assumptions are as necessary to the process as is our first predication.

[capslockf9]

Quantum physics infers that all is spirit, non-local, wavelike, entangled . It has shown that our

current perceptual apparatus is fallible. In quantum theory naive realism, although necessary at

the level of observations, fails at the microscopic level. Quantum physic research is finding out

that nothing is physically real.