if you can’t pass your values over to your children
despite state/society interference
you’ve failed as a parent
Or, the state apparatus has surpassed the influence of parents in domination.
I see traditional parents with good intentions all time, their sons become unemployed dregs and drug addicts, their daughters become street whores.
allegedly hell is full of good intentions
Part 2
In considering this topic and having skipped reading George Orwell’s Nineteen Eighty Four novel at university, I took the time to watch the 1952 and 1954 versions of the movie. Then I watched the following debate on whether the novel Brave New World or Nineteen Eighty Four was a better prescient reflection on today’s world as presented by Intelligence^2.
I think if you skip up to minute 44 thru 1:10 when Adam Gopnik presents a very interesting case for Orwell’s emphasis on the strategies Big Brother was/is using - the how and why. I found it particularly interesting that he mentions Mr Trump and reveals that he has in fact been a victim within the narrative he is explaining - “up is down - good is evil…” -
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31CcclqEiZw[/youtube]
Has anyone observed how much of those strategies have been ubiquitous on this very ILP board - and who the players have been (besides me)? 
Earlier in the debate Will Self explains the strategies expressed in Huxley’s Brave New World -materialism, consumerism,…
I think it best to consider the strategies overhead and underfoot before choosing the philosophy moving forward and the course to take.
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From my frame of mind, there are two “dark ages”.
The first revolves around an era in which God ruled. Anyone who attempted to take human interaction and human understanding of the world around us to a place where God was not the center of the universe was, well, dealt with.
Then came the enlightenment. And an explosion of scientific knowledge. And then mercantilism. And then capitalism. With capitalism came an explosion of philosophical premises that revolved less and less around God and more and more around sustaining a moral and political “superstructure” – a government, a state – that aided and abetted those who were all about “show me the money”.
Also, the enlightenment brought into existence this thing called “natural rights”. What “natural rights” do human beings have? In relationship to the state? In relationship to each other other? Revolving around such things historically as race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexuality, social justice, etc.
And, now, this thread. And this new Dark Age.
Trust me: In regard to moral and political value judgments, it revolves entirely around thinking exactly like obsrvr524 does. If you don’t you are part of the new Dark Age philosophy.
Unless of course I’m wrong.
So, sure, if it is not his intent to examine our own age as other than one of our many right wing “fulminating fanatics”, I challenge him to note a particular context and to explore with me his own distinction between an enlightened and a dark age frame of mind.
Others here who share his views: same challenge.
Unless he wishes to rise above the either/or sourced communication implicit in himself, …
You both might want to go back a page and review Part 2. 
Right, like the values we seek to pass on to the next generation were not as a result of being brainwashed and indoctrinated as children by the previous generation.
And as though our own values are not deeply rooted in turn in the particular world that we were “thrown” into historically, culturally, experientially, circumstantially, interpersonally. And were not in turn derived from our own unique set of experiences, relationships and access to ideas.
Instead, once again, she basically shares the assumptions of the right wing fulminating fanatics here about “the government” hell bent on taking away their sacred “rugged individualist” rights.
The same cartoon character assessment of the world around us ever and always distinguishing “one of us” [the good guys] from “one of them” [the bad guys].
Exchanges on this thread then become like secret handshakes between those who get what is really going on in the world and those who don’t.
Then it just becomes a matter of how close or how far they get from, say, the Nazis or the Proud Boys or the QAnon clowns.
Or, sure, she can bring her own sacred sense of self down out of the clouds and explore it with me given my own areas of interest. Along with hers.
Name/note a context and let’s explore that.
Again:
You name the set of circumstances.
How about addressing this before moving on…
Vile!
Part 2.1 -
Since we can’t really address the rest of this issue without considering the following post and it is largely ignored on the Philosophy forum, I’ll repost it here -
In choosing a “best philosophy moving forward” the decision to attempt to stick with and defend the “truth of reality” is fundamental. The victor world over has been now proven to be deception over real truth (The Devil won the war - again). So it is critical to decide if the real truth should be a part of a general philosophy for dealing with life after authoritarian globalization.
Part 3 -
As the Roman empire and culture was being destroyed, creating the last dark age, it was being replaced with a series of European empires culminating in the uprising dawn of the super powers and the United Nations and a new day of world order.
The British culture had been the most pervasive of the last dawn and was that of white people – English language, Christianity, British pound, Arabic letters, detailed linear/logical thought, civil rights, systemic governance, and so on - all being reflected in the USA.
Although all of those have become very commonplace, as the new dark age gets established and those social standards are to be erased from memory it seems wise to prepare and adopt to the darkness and next dawn.
The last dark age was accomplished (having nothing at all to do with progressive manipulation (cough)) by means of obfuscation of former cultural norms (the same with Egypt and Persia). It stands to reason that the new dark age will be accomplished by the same means (apparently a fundamental principle) with an even more thorough and precise effort as all thoughts, social organizations (family, business, church, nations, laws,…), and cultural norms are obfuscated (promoted confusion, chaos, ambiguity, doubt, distrust, betrayal, denial, fear, and rebellion – seem familiar?) into oblivion.
Although in biblical terms this transition through the night and into the next day is to take 1000 years, considering the advances in communication technology, hypnosis, genetic engineering, bio-weapons, and surveillance, I think there is a good chance it will not translate into our Earthly time – perhaps only 100 years or less into the black of night and then – who knows what will eventually arise to be the next full day. So we might as well get started now so that such a dark dark age and new dawn is assured.
It seems to me that what is wise to adopt during a transition period involves how to deal with the tumultuous dark obfuscation while also aiming toward the far off new dawn culture (eventually established through fascist extortion to remove the confusion and chaos).
We can easily see what the darkness will look like. It is already showing itself in abundance – the rebellion against, cancellation of, and erasure of all current cultural norms, symbols, and beliefs – “the cancel culture” to be dominated and crushed out by authoritative rule. So the question becomes how to best deal with it. And first on that list would be to accept that it is going to transpire regardless of any resistance (it has now gone too far to fruitfully resist).
Part 4 -
Now that the USA has died and to be reconstructed into a socialist/communist cesspool, the Nuremberg Trials 2.0 can be expected. In America any Trumpsters are to be hunted down, prosecuted and disposed of. Across the world the same kind of process can be expected for any and all conservatives and dissenters. Socialists can’t tolerate dissent (that is what was great about the former USA not being socialist).
[list] That is just the way it is.[/list:u]
And that leads to the concern of this thread – What is the best philosophy moving forward?
Laws and actual truth are no longer relevant in society. Societies throughout the world are going to be simply about Authoritarian Privilege – those above with the privilege to lie, cheat, steal, and let me just say – indirectly assassinate those below by whatever means doesn’t often those farther above. The murder of the millions from COVID is probably only 1% of those to be killed off over the next decade or so – euthanasia and race being priorities.
Every authoritarian ruler has done the same – forcibly dispose of all dissent using any extreme that works.
So with all of that in mind and having observed the state of the world, my personal recommendation for handling the new transition into the New Dark World and distant coming new dawn is the following.
First and foremost – Purposely maximize the joy in life for as long as possible – MIJOT – proving to be a true angel of heaven. 
- as often as possible.
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- Those socially above you are gods – below you are insects.
- Freely submit to all suffering and torture bestowed from above and freely bestow the same to those below.
- Live solely for the deathly disposal from those above you.
- Feel terrified to be anything but openly transparent and apologetic to anyone above you.
- Feel free to deceive, oppress, or malign anyone beneath you.
- Give devotion ONLY to the proletariat.
- Submit to all injections and markings of compliance.
- Submit to all biometric and location monitor devices.
- Submit with delight to any android or drone commands and controls.
- Associate only with those of your same stature.
- Learn to bow to all people with hands clasped.
- Consume only artificial food sources when possible.
- Give up sex (only with same sex if unavoidable).
- Especially give up children unless commanded to engage.
- Fully accept that all infants belong totally to authority for their use.
- Avoid white people when possible (the new holy race to be Orange).
- If already white, denigrate yourself and plead for forgiveness expecting no grace (otherwise hide your whiteness).
- Acquire only your most strict needs – donate all else to government or social charities.
- Learn Mandarin or Pugonghua.
- Learn to use the currency Renminbe (RBM – ¥uan, jiao, fen).
- Accept that what is said from above defines the truth - quickly adopt Newspeak.
- Accept that old truth is fiction and new truth is indisputable fact.
- Accept that real truth is evil and dangerous
- Avoid thinking – the only certain truth is authoritative truth.
- Fully accept thought police and never resist newspeak.
- Attempt nothing that isn’t assured beforehand.
- Be as subtle as possible in all that you do.
- If strongly suspecting associates or family of unauthorized activity report them immediately to authorities - Don’t let their behavior become habit or be caught directly by the authorities.
- If highly confident of the ability to be deceptive, ensure there is no evidence remaining.
- If already with child, teach these principles very strictly to the child for sake of their best chance of survival with the most joy allowed.
- Meditate on your love for the social order and all who serve it.
- Maintain solemn faith in the proletariat through your scheduled death.
- Hold to no beliefs, faiths, symbols, or rituals of the past era.
[] Believe in no conspiracy other than that reported by the Global Ministry of Truth – by whatever name it is given.
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Consider nothing but the above as ethical, moral, or relevant.
Hold no concern for future events or outcomes.
Good luck remembering all of that. Self-conversion isn’t easy. Perhaps a rosary would help to keep these thoughts in mind. The early Christians had to go through the same process so as to allow survival through the last dark age to help extinguish the Roman empire and raise the eventual dawn of the United Nations empire (The Israelites had only 10 but the Jews around 635 to remember ).
That’s it. Yes. And the state apparatus has made itself dependent on money and thus consists only of functionaries of the real rulers.