The new perspective on Ethics

PART THREE

To do something efficiently is to do it with the least cost of time, energy, money, and material.

To do something effectively is to put people first and foremost; things and stuff next; and systems, opinions, dogma, and creeds last. (To say that systems have least value is not saying that they have no value.) To be effective is to know your priorities! It is to care about others and avoid disparaging them, degrading them, failing to show them some respect. Give them this respect just because they’re human.

To be effective is to value individuals highly, to get involved, to care and share, to cooperate on a common goal, to work together for a worthwhile end in view.

Note that the Ultimate Goal for a QL is to provide a QL for one and all. For example, one could feed and shelter the homeless. See these websites: habitat.org/volunteer
nationalhomeless.org/references/need-help/
What is a QL, a Quality Life? It consists of happiness and well-being. (It also means an ethical life. It is living ethically.)

. [How does the kindness principle apply in business? One part of it is known as “customer service” and customers cannot get enough of this. Also, see Chapter 5 of The Structure of Ethics.]

To learn of some basic Moral Principles, see pp. 27-28 of The Structure of Ethics booklet. You will find it at the top of the list in the Signature.

To learn more details about the nature of “well-being,” see pages 33-34 of that same document.

You now have a fuller concept of the ‘new perspective’ on ethics.

Tell us your views on any or all of these topics once you reflect on what was presented here. How do you feel about any of the issues raised.

I look forward to hearing you views on the above analysis.

To clarify, end/do/be need to be consistent. When I said there is no before, I meant you don’t need to already BE virtuous in order to develop virtue (innate capacity) by DOING/choosing.

And it appears your end here is to have. But, all your examples are not anything real or lasting or relevant to ethics, which is about personal relationships—how (the doing) and why (the end) we should BE in relationship with/to self/others (us/them).

The answer is in the question without begging it.

Thank you, Ichthus, for an excellent contribution.

…Now if only you could be empathic to the “other” when she is a woman in labor, who carries first an embryo and then a fetus for nine months. Giving birth for some women is the most-excruciating pain a human being goes through. Fuurthermore, I have met a woman carrying twins which pulled her body(her core area) so far out of shape that she never was able to recover the stretching it caused, since the fetuses were heavy with weight. She is not alone in this.

You would have us campaign for more adoption agencies as an alternative to families, after a woman consults with her husband and her gynecologist, and they conclude that the baby is a risk to the life of the mother; or the family, or single parent, decide that she cannot for some good reason afford to have another baby. You don’t seem to care what she would have to go through emotionally to put her baby up for adoption. I would argue that your end-in-view is no solution at all.

Also, consider that every end is a means to a further end. I am aware that Kant recommended that we see an individual as an end in itself, and not as a means to a a further end; but his argument for this is unsound and not convincing.

p.s. I have written on The Means-End Relationship in the Structure of Ethics book, and more extensively in detail in earlier documents .[See the last chapter of ETHICS: A College Course.]

Thank you, Ichthus, for an excellent contribution.

…Now if only you could be empathic to the “other” when she is a woman in labor, who carries first an embryo and then a fetus for nine months. Giving birth for some women is the most-excruciating pain a human being goes through. Fuurthermore, I have met a woman carrying twins which pulled her body(her core area) so far out of shape that she never was able to recover the stretching it caused, since the fetuses were heavy with weight. She is not alone in this.

You have written elsewhere that you would have us campaign for more adoption agencies as an alternative to families - after a woman consults with her husband and her gynecologist - and they conclude that the baby is a risk to the life of the mother; or the family, or single parent, decide that she cannot for some good reason afford to have another baby. You don’t seem to care what she would have to go through emotionally to put her baby up for adoption. I would argue that your end-in-view is no solution at all.

Also, consider that every end is a means to a further end. I am aware that Kant recommended that we see an individual as an end in itself, and not as a means to a a further end; but his argument for this is unsound and not convincing.

p.s. I have written on The Means-End Relationship in the Structure of Ethics book, and more extensively in detail in earlier documents .[See the last chapter of ETHICS: A College Course.] wadeharvey.myqol.com/wadeharvey/ … Course.pdf

I can empathize with two pregnancies, and full on labor in the second case (epidural in the first case, but painful labor leading up to that).

I can empathize with being young & full hormones & empty of judgment. It’s a miracle I didn’t get pregnant until I was married.

I can empathize with the panic of potentially being pregnant so soon after having a baby and feeling emotionally incapable of coping if it were a reality. It wasn’t.

Thank goodness I was completely oblivious to how to access abortion back then (‘90s). Without that possibility circulating in my brain stronger than it was (as easy-way-outs tend to do), I was more likely to consider other possibilities that have less deadening consequences, and never had to carry the weight of actually taking the easy way against my own flesh.

About the time a pregnancy/labor can pose an actual risk to the mother is the same time the baby can be born alive via c-section & adopted out. Nobody goes home with the guilt (or deadened conscience) of taking a/their child’s life.

Too late? Forgive yourself, grieve your child and your choice, and remember to wear a condom & select a mate who gets it (or has papers proving they are snipped). (Yes. I fricken said actual papers.)

And do DNA tests & nail balls to walls.

Interest free.

  1. We both agree that unwanted pregnancies are a fact of life these days.

  2. I apologize for believing you couldn’t empathize with another. I was wrong. You certainly can empathize with a woman better than I can!!

  3. Why does a man have a right to autonomy, to having some say as to his future, to the use of his body, and yet a woman cannot have the same right :question: :question: :question: :exclamation: :exclamation:

Is this not gender discrimination; is not this misogyny? I have yet to hear good reasons to justify this. We must conclude it is unjustifiable. It is unjust and thus immoral.

The baby boy or girl’s red, brown, yellow, black &/or white body/life matters. Hashtag.

Don’t get me stahted on what they do to deadbeat… DADs. Yap. No double standard there. /sarcasm

Yes, Ichthus, I agree that it is a disgrace how the courts permit ‘dead-beat’ dads evade their responsibility to support their kids after a divorce-settlement in which they agreed they would do so …or after having been ordered to do so by a judge - a representative of the greater society.

Those who reject any form of abortion on religious grounds and are of late getting red states to pass laws endorsing and backing up their views ought to be aware that a new religion is being formed that upholds the rights of women to have a say in the use of their own body. [Unfortunately, they put the name Satan in their church title …which is bad public relations in my opinion!]

I disagree, given that it is the main human trait that has had evolve to date.

Stop being selfish and competing to weed out the weak and you weaken the whole of humanity.

That applies to individuals as well as all political and religious groups.

If we are not selfish about our selfishness, and keep mitigating the harm to the the losers of our various competitions as we have, we could end our decent improving social direction.

I agree with the first commandment on this, genetically speaking of course.

Put no one above you, is our genetic first commandment.

It is our reward, and curse in a sense, for being born the best of your genetic line.

If I take God to be me, as Gnostic Christians do, Gnosis melds religion and politics.

Non-selfishness would end our evollution.

Bad idea.

Regards
DL

Oops

The courts don’t actually do what you said. It is merciless, like the interest on student loans. The double standard is women are not held accountable for their lack of impulse control, but men (in this economy) are financially ruined. Many men experiencing homelessness can’t pay bills as-is but the court comes after them once they get a tax-paying job. They’ll never pay off the child support debt that keeps growing regardless if they’re working. If you’re fired because you can’t make it to work because you lost your place (rent/essentials too high) & sleep in your car that got towed while you were working… you are S.O.L. If you don’t pay child support because you lost your job, you lose your driver’s license and still owe child support. If your career requires a DL, good luck with the job hunt. And you have to deal with the DMV yet again (what seems like minor inconveniences add up when you have zero means, shelter, transportation). The only way to avoid or reduce child support accrual when you lose your job is to go to the County’s family court, but if you’ve moved around a lot to stay employed & sheltered, and your car is towed, you’re not going to court in several counties. The only way to avoid child support is to abandon your child, which a man (in his right mind) doesn’t do, or kill it… which a woman… in her… and here we are.

The solution is NOT abortion.

For the young woman who has been raped, or is a victim of incest, or has health reasons not to bear a child, abortion does seem very much a solution.

[b]To return, however to the theme of this thread, which proposes a new slant rather than the old conventional way of looking at ethics.

From the point of view of the new slant for ethics, ethical conduct entails the objective to add some value to the situations in which one finds himself or herself. To live smoothly within the various groups (with which we find ourselves involved) we behave civilly and show courtesy and manners. This is one of the ways we add value to soial interactions. Even better is to create more value.

Some writers here have argued that that is all there is to ethics – that all ethics is Social Ethics. To their mind, moral philosophy is onnly a group matter. They insist that how we express respect in the groups to which we belong –- the degree of closeness we have to our families and our other social circles –- is the only proper study for ethics. This defines the field of Social Ethics. It emphasizes the human capacity to put oneself ‘in another individual’s shoes’; to practice some version of the “Golden Rule.”

Yet there is another legitimate branch to this field of study. An individual’s decision whether to take recreational drugs, or to mutilate himself with a permanent tatoo, or to be a grumpy cynic, or to be a cheater and conniver; or – in contrast – whether to eat so as to stay healthy - are ethical concerns as well. This is the field of Individual Ethics.
It involves questions we may ask ourselves, such as: Shall I make self-improvement a goal? Shall I aim for (moral) goodness? Do I want to take on responsibility? Do I care if others endure needless suffering? And if so , can I, or will I, intervene in some way to help relieve that suffering? In other words:" Do I aspire to add value? !" {Also, the Golden Rule can be framed as: “Love your neighbor as you love yourself.” Unfortunate ly these days so many folks do not love themselves. They are suicidal.}

This area of ethics – Individual Ethics – logically takes priority over Social Ethics because if one is a sadist, a psychopath with some violent tendencies, or if a person takes glee in cruelty, this will definitely affect how a person will behave in a group.

In the layman’s mind, ethics has to do with conduct in one’s profession or associations, and – many believe mistakenly – ethical standards are restrictive of a person’s natural tendencies. They claim it is human nature to cheat, steal, cut corners, bait-and-switch in one’s business dealings, and get away with as little output for as much return as he can. Some believe it is human nature to be manipulative, because they see it all around them every day.
[That, however, is a narrow perspective: rural villagers in Africa, say, or in China, are communal-minded and live in a kind of loving, sharing harmony. Once they migrate to a city they often acquire greed and insecurity.] Ethical standards are not restrictive; they are liberating.

And human nature is not necessarily manipulative. I propose that adding value be the one norm, or operating principle that we need to have to incentivize us to be innovative, and to motivate us in the ethical direction.{It already is an imperative in business among the enlightened.]

When applied to a subset of Ethics kno wn as Business Ethics this concept implies that an owner, a proprietor, a CEO, would give equal attention to profits, to cus-tomers, to employees and staff, to the community where it does business, and to the environment. Consideration to “the bottom line”, to profits, enables the firm to stay in business; consideration to the other factors enables it to be fully ethical.
And yes, I know there are differences between business and the moral life of individuals: I am not conflating the two.}[/b]

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The title of this thread alludes to a new positive slant being here proposed for Moral Philosophy.

According to this new slant ,ethics is about creating value in one’s interactions with other individuals. Everyone involved gets to feel like they are ‘a winner.’ Why?

Because they either contributed to this outcome or they were enhanced in some way by you, that is, by one who knows Ethics. If you well knew this new slant on ethics, then you “built them up” by, for example, giving the other(s) a sincere compliment; and/or you performed an act of kindness that they welcomed; and/or you showed them how to obtain a benefit; or you gave some needed counsel, Or you performed a welcome service …all the while as you gave courteous respect, thus helping fulfill their need for recognition. Etc.

[b]In addition, among many other concepts, this new slant recommends nonviolent direct action as a way of solving social problems. And a person who knows Ethics would refrain from disparaging or denigrating another. [size=60]{Although some satire of a public official’s corrupt conduct is appropriate.}[/size]

Maybe it’s not that “new,” but I don’t see it yet being practiced widely enough. It needs to be taught in the primary grades of school. It needs to be taught by parents to their kids. Perhaps it is to be included in classes in parent-effectiveness-training for newlyweds who are seriously considering becoming parents.[/b]

For further derails, and more in-depth clarity, one may refer to the writings listed below.

Your views?

With regard to this new slant on ethics, the author of THE STRUCTURE OF ETHICS, yours trulyy, holds that the following passage, from a concise paper written rather recently, serves as an update and an enhancement to what he wrote a year earlier in Chapter 3 of the STRUCTURE document:

[b]Based upon all this, please answer the following two poll questions; you may be as brief as to just respond with a “Yes” or a “No.”

  1. Do you believe that if more people knew their Ethics, the concepts in the new slant on ethics, and lived them, put them into practice, that the world would be a better place?

  2. Do you believe, as the subtitle of the booklet claims it does, that someone who has studied Chapters 2 and 3 of the STRUCTURE booklet - as amended and supplemented by the concepts quoted above in this post - actually does achieve better moral clarity?

Thank you in advance for responding to this poll.[/b]

The o.p. of this thread speaks of the importance of having a good character. For if one does, then one will care enough to Intrinsically Value others – which is at the very heart of ethics, by definition and by observation. It helps if we have role models of ethical living’ or become ourselves role models.
Speaking of having a good character, let us acquaint ourselves with an individual who has, and has had, a noble character:

I recently learned that President Jimmy Carter had a challenge for everyone to consider, a challenge to the effect of: Do something nice for someone who is needy.

[b]This very much concurs with the 'new perspective on Ethics. This challenge presents us with yet another moral principle to live by. This moral guideline could be phrased, for example, this way:

“I very much want to do, and intend to do, something nice for one who is needy, or one who needs my help. And I will stay with this until it gets done; I will see it through, and make sure I put it into action!!!”[/b]

Could this serve as a guide to live by? What do you, Gentle Reader, think? Shall we adopt this Challenge as a life principle? Should it be, in passing, suggested by those who instruct an Ethics class?
And do you agree that we need Ethics to be taught in the elementary and primary grades of public schools? If so, how would you arrange for this to happen :question: :question: :question: