I like you! 
A flat tax would be better than the progressive tax system we have currently. However, it would still ask some people to contribute significantly more to tax revenue than others.
Eh, that post hit me the wrong way. I apologize to anyone who had to read what was here before.
I like you too!
PS. If you look over my posts in the thread… you would realize that “a bag of dumb shit bricks” could be worth more than you think! 
Of course, but $20,000 is not an acceptable amount to ask a man who makes $20,000 a year to contribute in income tax.
I have been reading the thread…I must have missed something… 
No worries mate 
I support either commodity (processing-based currencies like bitcoin seem to be viable) or fiat systems that have checks and balances. Basically ever since the 1700’s the balances that (in some places) were in place have slowly and deliberately been eroded by these institutions (argument against giving them fiat power) to the point of them basically owning most of the decision-making in the powerful nations. They can literally just make money out of thin air, and then charge countries money for it—money they must buy from the banks charging them money. As I said, ponzy scheme.
That’s where that Rothschild quote, ‘I don’t care who runs the country so long as I make the money.’ comes from. If you’re making it like that you can always just shut off money if you want something done.
Basically since about 1913, when their agents weaseled their way BACK into government after the US fought the war to rid themselves of European influence in these matters, the US has suffered from the toll of having to pay a bunch of unnecessary tax to the money they could just print themselves—something that, as I said, Kennedy (and Lincoln, before) tried to change.
These are all just the basic facts to banking that no one seems to know. It really confuses me as to why. I mean we all use money.
lol! this is the paragraph that I was talking about. See… bricks produced by dumb can actually be used as a currency!
I just spent the last year designing a large brick kiln, to increase my brick production.
But Dumb and Dumber were content with current brick output. They each spent their year making bricks with his kiln.
Now I make bricks 10 times as fast, because I was not content.
Now my children and grandchildren will all have brick houses.
Now, Dumb and Dumber are no longer content with their brick output. They’d like brick houses for their children and grandchildren too.
So they elect continue their brick production status, and take some of my bricks. Because in their opinion, I don’t need the bricks (I actually do need the bricks, because I want to ensure that my descendants have a very large brick supply).
Now I only have enough bricks for my children, but so do Dumb and Dumber.
That’s great, except they didn’t spend their time designing the large brick kiln.
Perhaps I should have waited until someone else did the hard work of kiln design, and then take it from him.
But wait wait, Dumb and Dumber worked just as hard! They spent a year of their life working hard at painting.
But still, no one wants painting.
Also, the monkey spent a year of his life peeling bananas. That was really intensive labor for the monkey. He worked hard for it.
I guess he deserves some bricks too.
Turns out, I actually like to paint, but chose not to, because no one wants my paintings.
Then I’d say don’t bitch and moan when the kilns in some middle-eastern countries get twice the size for half the cost, and what’s more, make them a hell of a lot better, and in so doing, put your brick programming ass out of business in a couple of years. 
And anyways, art sells. It just has to be abstract textiles, wannabe Jackson Pollacks and pure unadulterated shock art.
You seem to have it in for artists. Here’s the deal, you didn’t have to go through four years in the design studio, facing off against a class of artists just as aspiring as you, dealing with the abuse of criticisms…no, you just dialed numbers and sat on your ass. You didn’t have class mates going to the asylum because their hero came in for a master class and told them to quit. I’m not saying you don’t have a marketable skill or that you didn’t work hard for it, I’m just saying get the fuck off your high horse.
If you think for a second that what you went through is anything like what an architect has to…
Some good points in OP… but I would just say the finance industry is currently a monstrous entity that provides very little value to society compared to what it drains from society. BUT this is due to GOVERNMENT completely warping the market by using their virtual monopoly on force to enrich the elite/parasitical class and NOT ‘capitalism’. In a free market there would certainly be a banking industry, they do perform a very important function for society, it would just be much smaller.
The people who think money/banks/interest/trade/whatever are ‘evil’ are so horribly and completely ignorant and have no rationality behind their beliefs, they are just coming from some emotional place and they are not particularly interested in actual facts/logic/reasoning.
I don’t have it in for artists. In this thread we have just been using it as a metaphor for a service that nobody wants to buy (because it doesn’t have perceived value in THIS market). This is not the case in real life; lots of people enjoy art. I have multiple nice pieces of art in my house that I paid for because they have value to me. All I am trying to say in this whole thread is that the government shouldn’t subsidize people who are not creating value because then they are encouraged to continue their path. If somebody is working hard towards something and not creating value (thus not making any money), in a free market, that person should re-specialize into something that does create value. With a government subsidy, that person would never realize he is not creating value because he is making money anyway.
Nicely said. I completely agree with you here. The government created this federal reserve monster and its time to end it… Protesting on Wall-Street is not going to change anything. Protest in Washington! Support the balanced budget amendment… it would eliminate the need for the federal reserve.
Yeah I know what you are saying. I support a fiat system with checks and balances also.(for example, a balanced budget amendment) So I guess we can agree on that. The reason that I prefer it over a commodity currency is because they often unrealistically rise the price of the commodity that they are tied to. There also doesn’t seem to be enough of one commodity that is universally recognized that could sufficiently represent all the wealth that exists in the US.
We are thinking along the same lines tho. I am completely against running massive budget deficits and just printing money as a way out.
i’d love to get off the horse, but it helps me carry more bricks
I dont actually have a problem with artists lol, its just an example that was said earlier in this thread (or maybe another thread)
I spend quite a fair bit of my spare time playing improv jazz piano (i’d call it an art form)
But i’m not doing it for money. I didn’t chose to spend 4 years studying it under the delusion that i’m good enough to make decent living out of it. I do it because i enjoy it.
FYI, this “get the fuck off your high horse” attitude is what i’ve heard from everyone my whole life. I take it personally to mean “you are not as good as you think you are”… and I don’t let people tell me i’m not good enough at anything. Like I will argue against it past its usefulness lol. Because its these other people, who stand to limit my potential… who stand to make gains from my lack of knowledge/skill.
If you’re suggesting someone can outsource my job, you’re right. I think about it frequently. In fact, i’ve adopted an always-have-a-job-opportunities-on-the-table strategy, mostly for personal security, with an added benefit of salary growth, while i’m still young enough to job hop. I’ll likely complain if it happens, but I will at the very least understand it… and with any luck (and/or perhaps strategy), i’ll be okay
I’m sure there’s plenty of architects and artists who work very hard for what they’ve gotten, and plenty others who haven’t been as fortunate. What is it that sets them apart? I choose to attribute it to the individual before I attribute it to the circumstance - it gets more accomplished
In some ways i’d like an even higher horse, it’ll carry more bricks
I’m sure every post i’m making is angering you, but it’s not my intent
my intent is to suggest that i have actively tried to get to where i am today, others have actively intended to hold me back, and others have unknowingly held me back. my ambitions are endless - there is no maximum - only room for growth. i’ve seen many others my age make choices that are different from mine, and while their decisions are not inherently better or worse than mine, they criticize me for my actions (you are doing it now). yes, i am judging people now too, but as i’ve said before… i’m doing fairly well. i view this occupy movement (started and grown largely by college students) as a youth driven complaint-fest against people who are doing what many people would do - ensure their personal security, and the long-term security of their family, by maintaining the power collected by increasing their $$. we all live in the same world, and this part of it does suck in some ways… but its not going away anytime soon.
before it is society’s role to protect the individual, it is the individual’s responsibility
i’m trying to help people (those closest to me first), get some high horses
if you get in the way of my high horse, i have less of an incentive to help you get one
if you got a really big horse, feel free to help me out, i could always carry a few more bricks
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secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ … /Ignorance
It’s not like you prefer all power to be coalesced into the hands of inbred people with suspect moralities. You, and everyone else are in agreement with me so I don’t know why you persist in acting like a fucking idiot when it comes to this topic.
The inability to just accept basic facts that aren’t provided in the mainstream media is the cause for 99% of the world’s financial problems----problems that, should we just allow the aforementioned issues to go unchecked (the true reason for the riots, the reason they’re obviously/implicitly are not going to show on television) will fuck everyone over, even the people in this thread who believe because they are (now) wealthy, that is in any way relevant to the issues at hand. That people are going off on wild tangents about how they planned their live shows just how off course this ship has gone. All that shit is completely irrelevant and self-serving. No one cares about that. This isn’t about wealth distribution, it’s about the distribution of power. Only a fool just blindly gives away freedom. Only a fool denounces the person trying to shed light on a very topical problem. I don’t see you contributing anything. All I see is a bunch of childish, short-sighted and self-centered greed. Fucking infantile behavior.
why so hostile?
Maybe it would help if you state what you think this suggests or proves ?
I believe you are basically getting to the ‘argument’ of … “People are unjust and therefore we need some people to force them to be good”. Is this about correct ?