The origins of idealism.

Idealism is a ongoing construction of mythological metaphysical stories through transformation into “reality” which all extends from the absurd.

Idealism is the systematic approach of creating fantasy into reality no matter how insane the ideal may be. In short it is a way of making man’s elaborate imaginative mythology of himself and how he perceives the cosmos “ought” to be like into reality via constructionism.

Everywhere one can see the metaphysical and ontological qualities of idealism along with its religious ties.

There was once a time where stories of magical cauldrons circulated around ancient villages that had the ability to supply a never ending food source to all those who passed it.

Our idealistic society has created this under the guise of grocery stores.

There was once a time where stories circulated around ancient villages about magical gems that could control the minds of others.

Our idealistic society has created this under the guise of money.

There was once stories that circulated around ancient villages of the ideal heavenly like state of existence under the names of Atlantis and Shangri la.

Our idealistic society strives for this under the ideal utopian future of apathy followed with elaborate humanistic promises.

There was once stories that circulated around ancient villages about great vehicles that could reach the heavens and the gods.

Our idealistic society strives for this with Nasa.

There was once stories that circulated around ancient villages about a tower named Babel which was constructed to get near the gods and the heavens themselves.

Our idealistic society is the representation of this story under the existence of civilization.

There was once stories that circulated around ancient villages about powerful magical weapons of fire, stealth, and secrecy that could lay siege to entire armies.

Our idealistc society has created this under the guise of nuclear bombs, chemical warfare, and aircraft fighters.

Do you believe that there are smoke filled rooms full of old white men in expensive suits who create ideals for everyone all by themselves? To what extent do you see society at large constructing much of their own reality?

As I have said idealism is the construction of man’s elaborate absurd imaginative mythologies into “reality”.

It really is that simple.

Upon this knowledge one could make the arguement that the ideal state and government is merely a mythological story constructed by drunk philosophers in amphitheatres namely by one particular man named Plato.

Idealism should rename itself to mythology and join the religious bandwagon from whence it came.

So what’s the alternative to idealism? It’s easy to point out hypocrisy and talk about how screwed up the world is. The challenge is in presenting a better alternative. What do you suggest?

Smears you should know by now that I don’t adhere to the myth of “progression” or improvement.

Come on now! :slight_smile:

I would be comfortable in complete anarchy and chaos.

I think there are better ways to accomplish such goals than to max poetic about them on a philosophy forum. I’m beginning to question your authenticity. [-X

I’m beginning to question your methods.

On what grounds!!??

Your idealistic inclinations. :slight_smile:

I think that you’re the idealist! Don’t you idealize a state of non-idealism?

How can one idealize the natural order of things?

If man didn’t exist the natural order of things would still be chaos and anarchy even without a observer.

No Smears it is you who plays the role of idealism. :slight_smile:

Any man concerned with the ideal state and government along with the perception of the ideal existence is a absurd romanticist in my eyes.

So far this charade of idealism for thousands of years is nothing but a re-occurence of inevitable failure.

You’re using the naturalistic fallacy to justify your idealism!!

Don’t just make the statement of fallacy Smears.

Explain it.

Anyone can decry fallacy quite easily without explaining the circumstance of such a condemnation.

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I don’t see reason as special nor the information we have acquired.

I don’t see this human condition that we hav constructed for ourselves as anywhere being unique or desirable.

Also note that man was a primitive animal as a hunter and gather much longer than this civilized charade. We are all primitive instinctual animals pretending to be somthing else.

That is natural selection where civilization in comparison protects and grows the weak.

Civilization is a straw house just waiting to be blown away.

Failure to what? What constitutes sucess?

The natural order of things is the absence of man’s insisting “ought”.

It is the absence of this absurd simulacrum of reality that we have constructed for ourselves.

Your wasting both our time. You know that you have no contrary evidence against my statement.

Chaos isn’t a ideal. It is a reality of the cosmos that exists in constant changing flux.

It is up to you to prove otherwise. The burden lies with you.

Civilization is man’s ongoing failure of reach a utopian existence of apathy and idleness.

It is a ongoing failure of man trying to impose himself as the measurer of all things.

See I think that the IS is what we talk about all the time. Govt tyranny, no justice for poor potheads or hooligans like ourselves. The OUGHT seems to be the “natural order” that you’re trying to postulate. Nature to me is what IS, not what I think it ought to be. I might want to change what is to what I think ought to be the new state of nature, but nature always is what IS. I guess that summarizes my position. I don’t think we really diagree about all that much.