The philosophers stone

[Amorphos]

From here;
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“As the function of the perception is most like an eye even when it is hearing or feeling a given thing, then naturally it can see itself. that’s what it is, it’s a seeing thing, like a camera with a mirror as well as a lens. it’s the thing that sees, so naturally it can see itself seeing.

I don’t see perception as neurological [and I am not being pedantic in that ~ finding holes! ], more informed by that. …not just informed but the neurons are also the instrument, the experiencer/perceiver is the user of the camera and what it delivers.

I am unsure what the image derived of the camera is though, colour is perceptual, the camera only delivers the information about that image rather than the actual composed image that we see. I don’t know if the mind creates colour of if like consciousness colour simply ‘occurs’ under certain conditions!

Some animals ~ like dogs, see in black and white apparently, so why don’t its mind produce a colour image ~ if it is mind which creates it?

Maybe rather than there being something which is ‘mind’ or consciousness, there is actually something else, which may become these things and can become colour and any qualia, also ‘energy’ [whatever that is] and forces etc. there seems to be a formable putty that can be the colour image and that which perceives it ~ oh and indeed the thing which perceives the perciever.

Perhaps what we have is the ‘philosophers stone’ [or the ‘philosophical space’ as I often call it] at work; it begins with fire and brimstone [the big bang] and ends with mind and the colour image!

…its an ongoing thing”.

We appear to have a situation where consciousness and qualia simply occur under the correct conditions, indeed everything occurs when the conditions demand them too. A car moves along the road and momentum occurs, a string with a weight swings around, and centrifugal force occurs.

Therefore, there must be something from which it is all being manifest, some things we can trace causally to the beginning of the universe yet not prior to that, and other things occur in the specific and the current relative and subjective frame of reference. It appears to be a continuum always at work manifesting things, much of which are not physical e.g. info, consciousness, qualia.

Surely the philosophers stone is real, and indeed a fundamental nature of reality or what reality as a whole itself is?

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