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I may actually hate people, I mean at a visceral level. Not all people of course, but by default and until proven otherwise. This is a new feeling for me.


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I am your labyrinth …”. -N

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“burned by his own impotence,” he would burn others. That kind of hate?
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I prefer cats, certainly, and elephants! People can be grand, or rather humans can be, but “people” never have had my taste drawn to them… no. People… “The People” is a nifty concept. But it took a genius bunch of aristocratic white male slave owning occultists to use it constructively.


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This is how Ive grown up to know the essence of people.

youtube.com/watch?v=5EhZj6Smwuk

together with the Iraq-Iran war.


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Or their hate easily triggers your hate? A welcomed cycle of vicious circumstance?
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Relatively accurate situation concerning people.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ov4TlKlCog[/youtube]


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A people situation

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dYjdKbMT_c[/youtube]


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It’s not for nothing that nature came up with human leadership. “People” as a group situation represent incompetence.


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The real nature of “people” is right now revealed more openly than I have ever seen. Usually it hides in the background out of embarrassment, yet right now “people” are free to openly be the braindead reactive Nazis that they really are. They think their pop culture media leftie gods have sanctioned it, their shame is gone. I am thankful for this, because now I can see their nature so clearly.


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Mindlessness should be a felony.


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The way that “people’s” thinking goes today:

Step 1: “If one major news media company says it, it is most likely true.”
Step 2: “If 4-5 or more major news media companies say it, it is absolutely 100% true beyond doubt.”

Somewhere in there they contour up delusions that they can still be skeptical and free-thinking, I suppose during the “most likely true” part.


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Thrasymachus wrote:
I may actually hate people, I mean at a visceral level. Not all people of course, but by default and until proven otherwise. This is a new feeling for me.

Hate is such a nasty emotion. I speak to this often. Hate will destroy us from the inside out. This emotion should be avoided, absolute.

However, I understand hw easy it is to acquire hatred for something or someone. But this energy that is growing hatred should be used for other things, for example, minimalizing what we begin to hate, or learning how to circumvent what it is that causes us hatred.

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It’s not for nothing that nature came up with human leadership. “People” as a group situation represent incompetence.

A fact, I think. This is why I avoid crowds as often as I can.
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Thrasymachus wrote:
The way that “people’s” thinking goes today:

Step 1: “If one major news media company says it, it is most likely true.”
Step 2: “If 4-5 or more major news media companies say it, it is absolutely 100% true beyond doubt.”

Somewhere in there they contour up delusions that they can still be skeptical and free-thinking, I suppose during the “most likely true” part.

I live in the mental state of “Show Me”.

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Sisyphus wrote:
Thrasymachus wrote:
The way that “people’s” thinking goes today:

Step 1: “If one major news media company says it, it is most likely true.”
Step 2: “If 4-5 or more major news media companies say it, it is absolutely 100% true beyond doubt.”

Somewhere in there they contour up delusions that they can still be skeptical and free-thinking, I suppose during the “most likely true” part.

I live in the mental state of “Show Me”.

Most people are idiots. Glad you’re not one of them, since you’re here.


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You have little ears; you have my ears:
Put a clever word in them! —
Must one not first hate oneself, in order to love oneself? …
I am your labyrinth …”. -N

“A man is not great if he is not small, and he is not small if he is not great. Concepts flirt with the loss of their significance in the oscillation between ambiguous states, and this is in part the function and purpose of concepts.” -Primer on Meaning
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Sisyphus wrote:
Thrasymachus wrote:
I may actually hate people, I mean at a visceral level. Not all people of course, but by default and until proven otherwise. This is a new feeling for me.

Hate is such a nasty emotion. I speak to this often. Hate will destroy us from the inside out. This emotion should be avoided, absolute.

However, I understand hw easy it is to acquire hatred for something or someone. But this energy that is growing hatred should be used for other things, for example, minimalizing what we begin to hate, or learning how to circumvent what it is that causes us hatred.

Not sure how you can avoid hating the fact that humanity can so easily be made to devolve into an Orwellian nightmare.


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Hate, loathing, contempt, disgust, sheer disbelief a low standards, all this is natural to feel for these beings as one discerns their natures. To respect them is selfrape.

They lack a heart, in the sense that they arent informed by truth, humanity, consequence, life or love. These things are unaccessible to them.

They are zombies. Do you think they know what a newscorporation is? All they know is what is most comfortable.

They dont think what the tv tells them is differentiated from what they are allowed to feel. “God is in the tv” - Manson wasnt wrong.


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Thrasymachus wrote:

Most people are idiots. Glad you’re not one of them, since you’re here.

We’ll just call that compliment. Thanks.
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Not sure how you can avoid hating the fact that humanity can so easily be made to devolve into an Orwellian nightmare.

That requires a lot of experiences and then a lot of mental training.

Mine’s not perfect and likely never will be but what I have so far accomplished has allowed me peaceful times, especially when I am at home.

I watch a lot of nature programs and I am convinced that many “wild” animals are more humane that are many humans.
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Hate, loathing, contempt, disgust, sheer disbelief a low standards, all this is natural to feel for these beings as one discerns their natures. To respect them is selfrape.

They lack a heart, in the sense that they arent informed by truth, humanity, consequence, life or love. These things are unaccessible to them.

They are zombies. Do you think they know what a newscorporation is? All they know is what is most comfortable.

They dont think what the tv tells them is differentiated from what they are allowed to feel. “God is in the tv” - Manson wasnt wrong.

Yeah, all those negative emotions. What’s the value of life living with all those negatives?

It has been sad that the pure man is without emotions. I could never attain such a state because I love my positive emotions. Of course, that requires me to deal with the negative ones when they do arise.

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I don’t believe that any emotion is inherently positive or negative. There is a proper and logical time and place for each emotion.


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I don’t believe that any emotion is inherently positive or negative. There is a proper and logical time and place for each emotion.

Nice thoughts. But then, I disagree.
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Trouble is, “mankind” is not a cohesive species. So any attempt to value all humans in terms of one overarching standard (“Humanity”) actually is cognitive dissonance.

Rather than a species, humanity is a template, from which different species are self-generating all the time. Humanity is like… mineral rich clay in a wet electrical environment. It can become anything. It’s not a species, it’s a material.


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Yes that is an interesting perspective to hold. Let me think about this some more.


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Yeah I think it fits in pretty seamlessly with your notion of humanity as potential and risk.

It also points to why so often humanity has brought forth specimens (‘agents’) that express the need to overcome and to rise above the default state with such intense urgency. And why these messages really outlive individual humans and even assemble them in types and groups and behaviors.

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Yeah I think it fits in pretty seamlessly with your notion of humanity as potential and risk.

Yep. Neanderthal genes remain very dominant in many.
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Parodites had a fascinating expose on Neanderthals some months back, from which it appeared they lost out due to being too complex.

In any case no fair blaming it all on these guys. We beat them, and that cant have been very peaceful.


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Parodites had a fascinating expose on Neanderthals some months back, from which it appeared they lost out due to being too complex.

In any case no fair blaming it all on these guys. We beat them, and that cant have been very peaceful.

The best reason I have heard for their demise is that their vocalization was inferior. That would mean they wouldn’t be able to talk well and share ideas.

Most people have Neanderthal DNA. Africans who never migrated out of Africa have the least, European Caucasians have the most. Apparently there was some hanky panky going on.
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Strikingly, Neanderthal, or “Valley of Neander”, is around the region of the Netherlands.

Not only are the Dutch relatively Neanderthal like, they also seem to have more trouble vocalizing their being than most other cultures.
My english has become somewhat palpable, but it took me 25 years to get there from the guttural Dutch, which speaks the profoundest earth and wood you’ll ever smell in a language, if you get into its caves.

De grond onder mn voeten doet me oetelen Hans, geef me nog een koekjeskrans.


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I did two tours in Germany and managed to visit all the areas of the West. And I agree, in many of the peoples of the Germanic areas you can easily see Neanderthal physical traits.

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I’m honestly pretty excited. It came as a thunderbolt out of a clear sky and yet it is the perfect consequence of what Ive been doing.

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Google is broken, or rather I suspect, intentionally malfunctioned. You can figure this out if you search around a little. You get a few strange results along with the most popular paid-for webpages, and that’s it. The search results end often enough after just a page or two, which is obviously not truthful. And if you image search, it maxes out around 700 images, after which there are apparently no more results on the entire internet.

I’ve observed some strange results at times, including when I searched for “electoral college total” and similar phrasing, I was not able to actually find the official electoral college numbers. But if you search for “size of Mars” or anything that has an obvious numerical answer, it not only finds many pages with the answer but actually just displays the answer at the top right there for you.

My conclusion is that whoever is running Google now has turned the site into a propaganda machine, and the search results can no longer be trusted to accurately reflect what is actually out there on the internet.

In which case, does anyone know of a different search engine that we should start using?


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I was about to google it. Then I laughed. I can’t go there now.


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Crap, dogpile.com use to be the cool slush fund search engine(of the '90’s), but it looks to have been bought by google since its advertising a chrome version too.
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This computer has always been linked with Bing. I’ve had no reason to change it.
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As I was saying in the other thread, it’s all propaganda now; Wikipedia, twitter, facebook, youtube. It’s all run by the same fucks.


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And these same fucks have destroyed another feeble soul around me like they once destroyed Tom - it is striking in my family too.
It is a full scale branwash operation and they should be really proud of the hundreds of millions of bastards theyve robbed of their soul. It’s an accomplishment, though of course it could never lead to any benefit for anyone. All cash gained by this operation is tainted and troubled and just very expensive. These schemes dont work. They only buy you stress.

Like something Hyde said, when they die, they should be relaxed, you dont want them to be dying while all stressed out.


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Welcome to The New Age Order.
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Welcome to The New Age Order.

No, it’s been here, Trump’s just exposed it: So he can kill it.

Welcome to the New Trump Order.

He is the establishment’s reckoning. WITH NO SURVIVORS.


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Yeah, it seems he is taking no prisoners.
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Google and Facebook are teaming up to police news with French media ahead of the French elections in the spring. Jesus, this is a fucking war.


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Jesus, this is a fucking war.

You ain’t seen nothing yet.
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I ended up watching several hours of that broadcast of election night.
It was cool, except Jones is obviously taking too much of his own medicine, and he was always embarrassing his guest with his ill timed reverting to self-advertising, distracting from the disbelief and joy over the victory. But it was good to see, and there was a lot of good information being shared.

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PostSubject: BTL Newsroom BTL Newsroom Icon_minitimeThu Feb 09, 2017 9:26 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
This is a response to Alex Jones calling on his viewers here to create their own independent newsoutlets, so as to destroy CNN and the mainstream/lamestream media.
basic setup as I envisioned it:

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I can basically do a voice-over of texts written here over visuals I gather with some of our own music, cut with quotes and other video that I gather from youtube.

That would amount to the technical side, the editorial side would require some collusion.

beforethelight.forumotion.com/p … mode=reply

It would be ideal to have a place where interesting articles and videos and links can be combined with forum writing serving as voice over material.
Ive been doing similar work for over ten years, its very fast once you get routine, which can come easily once there is a consistency in the quality. That means by mo means that it needs to be excellent or even good, it needs to be consistent. Then it acquires a momentum and becomes interesting to watch qua ‘news’.

We cant aspire to greatness with a newsoutlet - just facts and good video references, and concise analyses.
Voice over texts in what Ive worked with are generally very short, just bits to talk from one fragment to the next.
this could work for us, a few powerful phrases to connect some relevant talking heads or event-registrations.


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I like this idea. Maybe Breitbart or Drudge would end up running one of the news features we do. Can you set up a YouTube account for this purpose? Up to you if you want to explicitly draw attention to BTL or not.


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Ha, alright.
Yes, Ill set up an account.
I would consider this a joint project of the 3 of us -
I dont mind to having it refer to BTL specifically at all, no, lets decide on a name for that channel.


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Ive made a ‘brand account’.

youtube.com/channel/UCC02kf … jEEoIrF1Mg

I put up a basic banner just to have something. We can change this in every aspect including the name.


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Not bad at all.


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Yeah Id say it has some allure written out like this.

I was just writing


Drudgereport
Breitbart
Infowars

these are successful newsbrandnames -
Maybe we shouldnt call it News Network

or just BTL News
or Philosophywars
or Pentad News

last time I went for something like this, was with Humanarchy.

This is no content, only presentation - Im wondering if there needs to be presentation at all.
What kind of format do we want?


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I link to all the items I made for HNews for good measure, stuff to compare our plans to.

youtube.com/watch?v=ibEwCB7bGIw
youtube.com/watch?v=AB_wLm-m91c
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PhilosophyWars has a certain appeal. It might only tacitly be referred to as news, even though that is what it is doing.


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If we use me as a presenter then I am setting up a professional situation with lights and a proper digital background. That will be fun to orchestrate - for the first series I suggest we just compile narrative driven voice over based items, where I read out over video what the three of us write.

The basic method is formulaic, simple:

Exterior shots house, night, soft street-setnoise
Voiceover:
Last night John was shook out of sleep as he heard a bang.

Cut to John, talking head

John: I was dreaming about horses and suddenly one horse exploded but it didnt really because I woke upand it was a car, I saw it burn when I looked out of the window. It cant go on like this, the authories, they need to, they need to do something about, they need to do something.

Cut to
exterior government building, soft street noise fading into office noise as the shots change to interiors

Voice over
When confronted with the situation, deputy of affairs Benson defended his policies.

Cut to Benson, etc etc etc

ending usually with a concluding voiceover.

I dont know of this works for us, but we can try it this way first, and see if we want to make it less blocky.
I kind of like the blocky concept because you can maximally screw around with it.


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PhilosophyWars has a certain appeal. It might only tacitly be referred to as news, even though that is what it is doing.

I agree.


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I need to get a USB mic and Ill be set to produce a PhilosophyWars episode from texts and links you and Parodites give me along with what I add.
Pick a topic and feed me some content for it, and Ill make of each one a quick item, and glue them together with some leader and bumper. Then you need to harshly criticize it.

Ideally Ill want to draw from the music each of us makes down the line.


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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bQLgQCMtBI[/youtube]

It’ll get better.
I needed to get it out of my system that we’re doing this. Or into it.


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Please understand that that is entirely meant as crummy as it is. It is a commentary on the fact that I am using my internal mic to relay zero content.
Like I said Im going to get a crisp mic and then tell some stories.

Still, I always like crummy tv. I have lived through the 80’s.


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Low-quality TV is simply real, as in not mass produced and manipulated by marketing and green screens and polished artificial dialogue. The 80s was THE time for real human TV.


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Hahaha, damn yes, I feel the same.

Ok then I know what approach to take.

The idea of retro 80’s tv addressing current reality amuses me.

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Increased means of deception and dominion, increased will to be transformed, applied, motivated by the external.
War is art, and art requires a canvas.
To deceive the deceiver, every gamblers fetish and every politicians blood - and to the artist, the deception is entire, he does not exist save as his belief in his fiction. Artists are perverts, that is why we turn to philosophy.
Nothing against perversion when it produces art - but it must be subservient- at least it begs to be.
And we shall provide these perverts with a little sauce of discipline, highly spicy, so as to have them eat themselves up slower, and with more deference.
The People are most wholesome when their artists are out of bounds, “insane”, like in the 20’s and early 70’s, I think it’s related to economic breakdowns.
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Yes, deception is a key element of the original “Art Of War”.

It used to be a required reading at West Point. Seem to me most of the students slept through that course.

It also used to be a required reading at some Management schools.

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As well as in religious doctrines, surprisingly. The ends justify the means and such. It’s true in cases. But hard to decide if you’re the one being lied to.


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As well as in religious doctrines, surprisingly. The ends justify the means and such. It’s true in cases. But hard to decide if you’re the one being lied to.

Although I don’t want to agree with you, I must. Over-powering the opposition. Whatever it takes.

Forget about the Taoist Three treasures of: Compassion, Frugality & Humility.

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Overheard at a social gathering recently,

“Trump is such a racist and sexist!”

“Russia has multiple sex tapes of him.”

“Four people on his team are proven to have worked with Russia.”

“Hillary was the only one qualified to be president. She is SO qualified! And now she will never be president, because of Russia. It’s so sad.”

“I’m just waiting for Trump to have a heart attack.”


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Me: What do you think of Trump?
Stranger: His isolationism is bad
Me: He is more accurately characterized as a balance between extreme isolationism and extreme open borders ideology
Stranger: Immigration isn’t bad, we need more people
Me: So you would accept anyone from anywhere, in any circumstance?
Stranger: Yes. Stopping immigration based on someone’s nationality is bad
Me: What if those nations in question are so unstable and war-torn they don’t have a functional government and cannot be trusted to verify who anyone is before sending them here? And furthermore, are known to be harboring people with radical Islamic ideology who hate our own nation?
Stranger: You can’t judge 100% of people for 2% of them.
Me: You have no idea what the percentages are, but even that aside, 2% would translate to hundreds if not thousands of dangerous people who want to kill you
Stranger: People can get along, we need to come together to face the challenges of our societies
Me: You know, with the first waves of immigration into America, we didn’t just accept anyone from anywhere in the world. Primarily immigrants were from European nations, and so already shared out own western values-set and culture more or less.
Me: We didn’t accept 10 million uneducated people from a different religion and medieval societies, that would have been disastrous
Stranger: We need more diversity.
Me: So diversity is your primary value?
Stranger: Yes
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PHASE 47 (TAURUS 17°): A SYMBOLICAL BATTLE BETWEEN “SWORDS” AND “TORCHES.”

KEYNOTE: Refusing to depend upon the past, the seeker turns warrior, fighting anew the eternal "Great War. "

When Gautama, having sought in vain for the answers to his questions among the teachers of tradition, sat under the Bodhi Tree, he had to fight his own battle in his own way, even though it is an eternal fight. The spiritual light within the greater Soul must struggle against the ego-will that only knows how to use the powers of this material and intellectual world. There is no possibility of escape; it is the energy that arises out of the present moment — the inescapable NOW — that the daring individual has to use in the struggle.

This second stage symbol suggests that salvation is attained through the emergent individual’s readiness to face all issues as if there were only two opposed sides. So teaches the Bhagavad-Gita. This is the dharma of this stage of human evolution: a stage of POLARIZATION OF VALUES.

This is the degree of my ‘Dark Moon’ - astronomically, the dark Earth; the mirror locus of the Earth in the elliptic of the moon around the Sun. The tropical, orbit/axis, season bound zodiac (not the one of the stars) has its 47th degree behind this Dark Moon in my case.

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I can’t believe these people exist. I mean, it is almost impossible to conceive this level of mindlessness exists and is actually becoming more common.

I’ve heard that maybe the Flat Earth movement is some kind of CIA psyop. I find explanations like that easier to believe than that people are really this stupid. But actually, yeah, people are really this stupid.

I’ve ran into several of them over the years, and debunked every claim they made. Not a single one of them was rational or intellectually honest. Their tactics are predictable and pathetic. And yet, this sort of view continues to grow.

Not sure the point of this topic, but I just wanted to vent about these retards.


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But really.
The first time someone I respect told me that he took this seriously I just held in my vomit and changed the subject.

Someone who believes this is both fundamentally incapable of logic and of respect. To disregard Copernicus and Galileo is so shameful that I cant even…even.

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Yes, this depravity of mind and soul pisses me off beyond belief. You can’t even talk to these fuckers, they aren’t capable of forming or responding to ideas. And they’re pretentious as shit about it, which is even funnier.


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I think I have mentioned before, the dumbing down of Americans seems to be working.

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Several days after Trump won the election, I was trying to find the electoral college totals. I wanted the exact numbers. I tried searching on Google, and guess what? Nothing. If you’ve ever asked a question into Google search bar, and the answer to the question is a number, Google will default display the answer right at the top, without even needing to link you to a webpage.

“what is the diameter of the earth?” – and Google spits out “7,917.5 mi” at the top of the page.

“what were the electoral college totals?” --… and nothing.

Even in the webpage results, it was nearly impossible to find this information. What the fuck, we just had the election only a few days ago at this point, the electoral numbers were splayed all over the media during and immediately after the election, yet now they were nowhere to be found. The links Google was giving me to various webpages from my search were mostly meaningless, many didn’t even have anything to do with the electoral college at all or were links to webpages talking about how the electoral college should be abolished.

This is clear censorship.

Now look at what I found online:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Az1yyjdT8o[/youtube]

So make a note to yourself that Google is part of the neoliberal, globalist censorship machine. Probably you already knew that, and I certainly suspected it, but it is nice to have the proof in hand.


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I wish I had videotaped my searches at the time, as proof. Since now you can Google search for the electoral college results and it does give you some meaningful hits (to mainstream news outlets of course).


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I don’t even bother asking for the truth from the media anymore. Yes, I have heard some strange things about Google lately.

It seems that about half of the articles in internet media are opinions any more. No truths.
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The trick would be to show Google how to make a lot more money by being accurate.

Somehow, our task includes making Truth more economically viable.


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The trick would be to show Google how to make a lot more money by being accurate.

Somehow, our task includes making Truth more economically viable.

Yeah, we need to be much clearer in defining truth as truth and opinion as opinion.

Recently I have seen a gross increase of opinions being presented as facts.
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In an obvious slight against Trump and reasonable immigration policy, today Google has put up an image of Fred Korematsu, the man who tried to fight Japanese internment back in WWII.

I’m sure Google won’t be posting anything about how the US secretly pardoned and took in Nazi and Japanese scientists who committed torture, war crimes, mass murder and psychopathic human experimentations including rape and biological weapon testing, vivisection on living people, not to mention psychological warfare testing as well. Operation Paperclip will never get a “Google doodle”, neither will the fact that the US government pardoned and secretly took in scientists working at Unit 731 in Japan.

But hey, let’s just focus on whatever makes Trump look bad, and ignore what actually fucking happened. Yeah internment was bad, but we have a legal process for parsing that our, which did occur; and it wasn’t like we were raping and torturing and murdering Japanese in those internment camps. Also, what the fuck does Japanese internment during WWII have to do with Trump? He isn’t trying to round anyone up an put them in camps. But I suppose when one lacks a mind it’s easy to conflate internment camps with Aushwitz, or to conflate either of those with a basically rational and very simple immigration policy… you know, the idea that it actually makes sense to have a border?

Your body has a border, biological cells have a border, your house has a border, your yard has a border, your social group has a border, your thoughts have a border, but I suppose a nation-state doesn’t have a need for one, right? Lol. Remember that is precisely what Google is communicating with their little PC doodle image today.


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Google fucking sucks. I’m going to use a different search engine from now on. Probably find a good metasearch engine, dogpile looks decent.


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My default is Bing and it’s not much better than Google.

I get much better results when I am using Pale Moon.
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Yes, it was apparent the week before the election. Picture-googling Clontin would result in a first 100 hits of very happy, stylized portraits, and a Trump pic search would yield only abusive memes these orks had been fabricating in their sewer-pipes they call home, or heart, or hearth, or just where they ooze their “life”.


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The saddest thing is that our news media was reporting opinion, not fact. And they are still doing it today.

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News media have never been an instrument of truth. Never ever happened.

I remember my mom working for a newspaper called De Waarheid, literally The Truth. The paper of the Communist party.
That is how all news paper staff thinks. “Truth” is just a word that sells really well.

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Searching “Trump news” at Google and at Dogpile:

Google lists donaldjtrump.com as the 36th result.

Dogpile lists donaldjtrump.com as the 13th result.

Google lists trump.news as the 16th result.

Dogpile lists trump.news as the 1st result.

Also this is ignoring the “AMP” google results that actually steal content from others and use it as a google page. If you include these then google results drop donaldjtrump.com to 55th and trump.news to 35th.

I also did not count ads as search results. Dogpile has a lot of ads, probably because it has to compete with the likes of Google and their dark money stream.


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Another thing about google, they steal content from other webpages and actually allow you to read it as a copy on google’s own page, without ever directing you to the actual website. This is noticeable especially on mobile: click on a search result from googling and you get a mobile site with google.com still listed as the URL at the top, but what you’re seeing is a copy of the actual other website; if you “request desktop version” from your mobile browser this forces google to redirect you to the actual other webpage, and you’ll see that now you have the real URL.


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So in effect google is trolling the internet and copying other webpages, then giving you that copy without ever taking you to the actual website, thereby removing traffic and hits to the other websites and appropriating these to google itself. Unbelievable. This is pure theft.


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I’m glad I’m not using Google.

Bing was funny for a while but they cleaned up their act a little.

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What shame must be in the hearts of the people running google and CNN all the rest of it, selling out to manipulate and scam in order to get Hillary elected. And it didn’t even work, which is the funniest part.

Yeah google, manipulating your search results to prop up Clinton and downgrade trump, how very clever of you. You’re a real Machiavellian fucking genius. Lol.

These globalist shits have nothing to base their power-grab on except a blind lust for more money and more power. They don’t have core values, they don’t have ideas of ideals; technically you could say they aren’t even human, they are more like early transhumanists trying to forsake their humanity for the sake of some eventual AI-god hive mind in the hopes they may be given a position of some privilege in the future New Order.

Kek. What a load of garbage. These shitclowns basically defeat themselves. Philosophically speaking they are nothing but a remainder, an excremental excess of humanity.


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Well, you expressed yourself pretty well there. I pretty much agree with you. Nice to see the bullshit is settling down a little bit now. Should be over soon. Their attention span isn’t very long. Some other PC issue will come up and they will all switch gears.
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Fixed Cross wrote:
The trick would be to show Google how to make a lot more money by being accurate.

Somehow, our task includes making Truth more economically viable.

I really wish I knew how to do this.


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Fixed Cross wrote:
The trick would be to show Google how to make a lot more money by being accurate.

Somehow, our task includes making Truth more economically viable.

I really wish I knew how to do this.

You have to use magic.
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“Google = Goolag”

Haha.

More tolerant diversity from “progressive” neoliberals.


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On the issue of women in tech or STEM generally: women simply make different choices and have different desires and interests. That isn’t “sexist”, unless women are imposing sexism on themselves.

Pointing out the obvious is now a thought-crime.

Welcome to the brave new world of Goolag.


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Can’t recall the last time I used Google to search anything.


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"Time to stop first world “gender gap” hysteria: Men and women make different vocational choices

Each year, 265 million in public funding goes toward The Canada Research Chairs Program, a program that funds top researchers at Canadian universities. Now, Science Minister Kirsty Duncan is threatening to defund its chairs for not meeting “diversity targets”.

The decision came after Minister Duncan took offense at the unequal number of chairs held by women. “There were two times more men nominated (for research chair positions) than women” Duncan exclaimed during in an interview with the Associated Press.

Government funding will be withheld until universities nominate an equal number of women. But aren’t universities progressive strongholds, bereft of bias and bastions of equality? Of all places, it seems unlikely that university faculties are actively holding women back.

As of December 2016, only 30 per cent of the funded chair positions were held by women. However, between 2000 and 2015, 31 per cent of applicants for the jobs were from women. Based on these numbers it would be impossible to argue that sexist hiring practices are the cause of the gender imbalance in research chairs. Fewer women hold research chair positions because fewer women apply; it’s that simple.

So why is Duncan so upset? Minister Kirsty Duncan subscribes to a gender theory that has pervaded the intelligentsia, bureaucrats, and politicians. This theory asserts that there are no differences between women and men, and that existing differences in gender representation (uneven gender ratios in research chairs, company boards, Cabinet Ministers, etc.) are the result of a patriarchal societal system.

This “gender sameness theory” is not interested in equal opportunity for women; it is focused on equal outcomes. To its adherents, gaps between the sexes are clear indicators of sexism and must therefore be avoided at all costs.

Kirsty Duncan and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau both subscribe to this theory. They see equal representation as a requirement for an egalitarian society; even if it means assiduously ignoring differences between the sexes to achieve it. However, regardless of the popularization of gender sameness theory, the truth remains: men and women are different, and as a result, they make different vocational choices.

Using Canadian Research Chairs as an example, fewer women apply to research chair positions because fewer women choose to work in STEM (science, technology, engineering and mathematics) fields. Out of all Canadians who work in STEM, only 22 per cent are women.

Furthermore, despite attempts to encourage women to work in STEM, these numbers are barely changing. Even as more women join the workforce, few choose to work in STEM fields. Between 1991 and 2011, women accounted for 75 per cent of the growth in the number of workers in university-level non-scientific occupations, but only 27 per cent of the growth in the number of workers in university-level scientific occupations. "
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Nothing has harmed women and the attempt to forge a truly female psyche and philosophy more than Marxist leftism. The Left hates women, that is obvious now.

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Goolag “equality” ideology means that I should want to become a nurse or a social worker or a teacher or a home-maker. Lol.

Funny how none of these “progressive” male elitists bother to interpret themselves in terms of these supposed egalitarian ideals.

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Well, who am I to say? But I find it strange when a boy wants to be a girl. I suppose it is difficult for some people to just be what they are.
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Well, who am I to say? But I find it strange when a boy wants to be a girl. I suppose it is difficult for some people to just be what they are.

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Goolag fires James Damore for politely saying things that are true:

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To purify truth of its purity:

I just wrote someone that at the outset of this path I needed to make friends and enemies to purify vo of its purity. This has been the way to climb the mountain further, rather than just stand and say some formulae.

It is a way of saying I needed it to attach to all contradicting ways of the world to demonstrate itself, by, as it turned out, whipping up a huge storm of philosophical values that came to be at the crest of the wave of political and societal upheaval that followed in parallel. It was the anticipation and with that the initiation of the tapestry of de- and resublimation of the spirit, because it could not be desublimized without either perishing or being resublimed instantly.

It can not survive “as such”. It is rather that which does not exist as such, that which requires a context. Spirit as such is only recognizable as a concept in visions of total destruction. It needs to be sublimized into a dialectic or daemonism so as to become tenable, literally holdable in time-space, in experience, in being.

We can not directly experience the interaction of self-valuings as they reduce to their “suchness” - the “suchness” of the world is rather deadly.

We are sublimated deadliness.

What Ive actually said is that spirit as such can not be endured by temporal phenomena, not that it can not endure itself.
Spirit is consequence itself, and its volatility is always powerful. There is never a moment when spirit is subdued so as to conform; in reality we can see this in the nuclear arms race, and North Korea. The repression of the spirit of its population successfully manifests in the projection of defiant force outward. Similar with nazi Germany, and actually with Germany in general.

All nations with power greater than their size would suggest seem to have great repression mechanisms; Japan, Israel -


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Well, getting feedback for a theory is always helpful whether it be negative or positive.

The truth, however, does not need to be purified. It only needs to be recognized and acknowledged.

I think that invoking spirit into the philosophy is an error.
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By spirit I mean the exact present moment, without calculation, only the configuration of powers as it is right now. And now. And those trillion instances in between.

I wasn’t talking about feedback. I don’t need feedback for logic. What I meant was in what I wrote though. Sorry to be a bit strict with you, you took some liberty that wasn’t warranted.


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Spirit then as the reduction to immediacy-of-being of the states of tension that exist within every willings to powers/every sv.

Like if you could take a snapshot of a being in terms of its entwining lattice networks of contradictions and non-contradictions, that snapshot in a single instant would be “spirit”. Since it is time-compressed it can never manifest itself perfectly in time, it can only manifest imperfectly or approximately. But time-flows are always collecting around spirit and trying to make sense of it, or resist it, or appease it, or simply to bask in nearness to the Sun.


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Yes, well said.

One can access spirit, but by accessing it one undoes it.

One can pretty much see it as light in this sense - once it hits an object of time space, it no longer exits - but it will have revealed something.

If we are extremely finely tuned with our most refined senses we can be guided by spirit and “sniff out” the possibilities that lurk in the moment. This is how we intuit things before they happen, anticipate, have premonitions -
we simply are more aware of the configuration of the present than of the cruder step logics that we use to build a notion of past and future.

Most talent involves anticipating configurations of potential without being able to structurally discern them.

I have taken the liberty of defining the word Spirit as I see it fit, as it makes sense to me, as I can use it - and as, as I see it, it corresponds most with the ways the ancient, more superstitious but stil perceptive cultures have experienced and described it.

The moment is suffused with subatomic instabilities. This plays into the soft magnetisms that belong to our body, the brain, seemingly especially the heart.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetocardiography

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Fixed Cross wrote:
By spirit I mean the exact present moment, without calculation, only the configuration of powers as it is right now. And now. And those trillion instances in between.

I wasn’t talking about feedback. I don’t need feedback for logic. What I meant was in what I wrote though. Sorry to be a bit strict with you, you took some liberty that wasn’t warranted.

Okay. The spirit of the moment. That which is constantly changing for most people.

Well, any time you present a thought to those who have a mind of their own, you are going to get feedback.

So if I misunderstood what you said is it because of my lack of comprehension or is it that you did not express yourself well? You nor I can determine what is the truth.

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Don’t take it personal, its not about who is right or wrong.

the fact is that the word spirit never has had a definitive meaning. It comes from the latin word “spiritus” which means breath. And yet the German “Geist” is also translated into “Spirit” and “Geist” definitively does not mean “breath”.

Both breath and Geist however denote the absolute present.

In Hindu tradition, the present, the breath, the soul, the consciousness and the joy, they are all the same, they are all “Atman” - something close to what I mean here with “spirit”.

– note that reality is far, far too great and magnificent and complex to be denoted by words -
we must always realize words are just playful, childlike attempts to do justice to experience.

The more playful we stay, the more serious we are about this play, the better our chances of powerfully conveying truth.


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“To walk upon the earth is beyond any power to name.” --Milosz


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Chuang Tzu said that once we understand the concept we can forget the words.

I seek to understand the concepts. Words that have many connotations are generally useless to me.

“To walk upon the earth is beyond any power to name.” True this. Similar to trying to define the “I” in the phrase “I am.”

Don’t worry Fixed Cross. It is impossible for me to take our conversations personally as we do not know each other personally. But I will question you if I do not understand something you say or even why you said it. I seek to understand, not just consume what others say.

Anyhow, back to the discussion, whatever that was.

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A thread for all sorts of content pertaining to the markets.
Be advised; to begin with there will extremely random content.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG9fYsIfuJA[/youtube]


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A way of playing the stock is to simply set the spread and find buyers and sellers at once.
This is the trick behind nano-banking, or bot-banking (my term), but has always been the most basic game in the stock market.
It is deceptively simple, which is why it is infinitely complex, which is why a company spends a hundred million just to put a cable through a mountain to have a faster connection.

The game is to set the orders so that they will be processed before the other orders, but there is a web of relevant units across the country that all require and disseminate information and assumptions/presumptions about each other to make their moves.
Naturally it is thus wise to keep ones speeds to oneself.
It is why knowledge of methods on the stock market comes out very slowly, as slow as military secrets, only when they stop working for the private interests that held them first and they are generalized.

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pertaining to the above:

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on trading in general:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0XMmp5H7Wo[/youtube]


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I have never liked the stock markets. All they do is help the wealthy to become more wealthy and through inflation cause to poor to become poorer.
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It is inevitable for businesses to exist.
Basically businesses sell stocks to be able to be larger than they can be on their own money, which for many types of post industrial businesses is necessary.


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Fixed Cross wrote:
It is inevitable for businesses to exist.
Basically businesses sell stocks to be able to be larger than they can be on their own money, which for many types of post industrial businesses is necessary.

True. I understand the need for capital for starting a new business, etc. But I still think that, all things considered, it is still evil.
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I guess Ill have to live with that.


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Money is not evil. How would humans trade values without it?


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Imagine your body without blood. That’s a society without money.


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Playing the stocks can be done in any different ways -
Sisyphus, mostly the people that lose out because of the stock market are weak payers on that market. That accounts for by far the greatest percentage of gains. And for the rest, the market makers make the environment where you can buy a fridge or a car.
Without that market there would only be very small family sized companies.

Shares keep a company pressured to perform in a large national context.
Im learning to think this through just now. Its beautiful.


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Haha
now I also understand why Amsterdam came up with the idea -
it was the VOC - the United East-Indies Company, that was too big to be carried by private interests.
It had to be supported by cutting it up and selling the shares across the entire affluence of the nation.

So yeah, thats pretty evil. But not in the way you suggest - in a far worse way. And it is what is still wrong with the market.
that it sustains companies that parasite on nations with weak governments.

But you can simply invest in lofty industries. Its not true that buying the stocks of a startup company is necessarily going to cause anyone any losses.

Whats causing losses of such magnitude that it affects ordinary people is these same people getting in over their head in mortgages, and overspending on luxury objects. Thats what causes the bubbles and bursts, which are always absorbed by the ones that aren’t paying attention. Playing he market can simply be paying attention to the careless overspending ordinary people do and make sure to not suffer of them but instead gain a little, or a lot.

The existence of any of the Indexed companies in the US isnt possible without the existence of the markets. Companies do not go public just for the hell of it, they do it when they need to be carried by the great flux of capital. This means you can invest in it, with reduced fees now even a five dollar investment can grow into a profit.

The giant losses came on the housing market, because some asshole had decided to pile together debts and make them into products that were presented as fail poof valuables. Since they were packaged and sold as literally as good as gold, no one afterwards would ever to check up on the situations behind these debts, so many of them turned into losses without anyone noticing, and so the economy, which by then had largely become sustained by mortgage banking based hedgefunds, became very literally hollowed out.

It was all a result of people not paying their mortgages, but that was largely the result of these mortgages being given out without any financial background checks, which was in turn the result of the lucrative pricing of these loans as they were sold in packages like slabs of precious metals or diamonds.

That looks very much like a setup, but it has quite literally nothing to do with playing the market, now that I think about it. It only started to have to do with the market when some guy decided to short these loans, which created a turbulence in the value and allowed it to become revealed as less than nothing. So in that case, as in most cases perhaps, the market was the means to correct the value of the security. In this case, it corrected the value of dead loans from golden to rotten.


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Playing the market and fixing the market are two different things.
Fixing is considered an illegal enterprise to gain by manipulating people into overspending through using inside information.
The housing bond bubble was such a fix.

Market fixing requires that one possess gigantic sums, such vast wealth as to stand into significant comparison to the value of an entire market. You can’t do it without an affiliation of billionaires these days. And billionaires don’t tend to sit out prison sentences -
what is really unfair on the ordinary population is not the stock market but the justice system. It can not to me be ethically justified that money prescribes the type of chances you get to be convicted of otherwise equal crimes. I can accept it as just the way it is, bit it is the real problem standing in the way of a balanced society.

To fix the market, which is the only way to get it so bloated as to result in losses significant enough to ripple out and affect the average wage worker, requires great wealth to begin with. To play the market requires technically one dollar and one cent. You’d pay one dollar commission for a one cent investment. Pretty hard to turn into a profit - but ten dollars with a one dollar commission could most definitely turn to twenty over the course of three years without anyone losing on that. The rise in price results from people who buy and sell shares at increasingly high prices, as they estimate the worth of a company to grow. This in turn allows the company to invest in itself.


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Thrasymachus wrote:
Money is not evil. How would humans trade values without it?

I’m not against money and its use. I am against the sock market for the reason noted above.

It allows money manipulators to cause the wealthy to become wealthier and the poor to become poorer.

The stock market, in the most part, is a scam. And small time investors almost always loose.
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Thrasymachus wrote:
Imagine your body without blood. That’s a society without money.

Not valid. Although this is true in larger societies it is not true within smaller societies where the barter system is used.

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PostSubject: Re: Money Games Money Games Icon_minitimeTue Aug 15, 2017 12:40 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
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Money is not evil. How would humans trade values without it?

I’m not against money and its use. I am against the sock market for the reason noted above.

It allows money manipulators to cause the wealthy to become wealthier and the poor to become poorer.

The stock market, in the most part, is a scam. And small time investors almost always loose.

That is a superstition.
Ive explained above how it really works, and what the real trickery is.

Without the stock market the USA would be impossible. Independent capitalistic ventures would be impossible.


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Imagine your body without blood. That’s a society without money.

Not valid. Although this is true in larger societies it is not true within smaller societies where the barter system is used.

Explain to me how a company barters for the needed resources and skilled labor to build something like a car, or a computer, or a power plant, or an antibiotic.


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PostSubject: Re: Money Games Money Games Icon_minitimeTue Aug 15, 2017 10:28 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Fixed Cross wrote:
Sisyphus wrote:
Thrasymachus wrote:
Money is not evil. How would humans trade values without it?

I’m not against money and its use. I am against the sock market for the reason noted above.

It allows money manipulators to cause the wealthy to become wealthier and the poor to become poorer.

The stock market, in the most part, is a scam. And small time investors almost always loose.

That is a superstition.
Ive explained above how it really works, and what the real trickery is.

Without the stock market the USA would be impossible. Independent capitalistic ventures would be impossible.

Well, I don’t accept your explanation. Sorry.

No, what I said is not superstition - it is fact.

Yes, what you are suggesting is what the wealthy tell you to believe. I don’t believe them. I don’t believe my government either.
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PostSubject: Re: Money Games Money Games Icon_minitimeTue Aug 15, 2017 10:36 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Thrasymachus wrote:
Sisyphus wrote:
Thrasymachus wrote:
Imagine your body without blood. That’s a society without money.

Not valid. Although this is true in larger societies it is not true within smaller societies where the barter system is used.

Explain to me how a company barters for the needed resources and skilled labor to build something like a car, or a computer, or a power plant, or an antibiotic.

The creation of stock markets originated in 1531. It’s not like it is an essential part of the human experience.

It was then that the NWO really began and also the beginning of Globalization. Sure, great advances have occurred because of it. But at what cost to humanity?

So, to answer your question: The same way it was done prior to 1531.

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PostSubject: Re: Money Games Money Games Icon_minitimeTue Aug 15, 2017 10:49 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
And how is that?


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PostSubject: Re: Money Games Money Games Icon_minitimeWed Aug 16, 2017 5:52 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Sisyphus, would you mind abandoning your emotive trolling and addressing my explanation?

I know you as a guy quite capable of bring rational. Youre lowering this place with your thoughtless and graceless accusation that I believe, where I just explained the necessity of it logically. I know you know what logic is. .

Address the logic like a grown man.

If you want to go back to a feudal pre industrial society, sure, the Stockmarket stands in the way. And the is very okay if you want that. But don’t imagine that has anything to do with me and or any beliefs you imagine I have.

If you are against the Stockmarket, you must immediately throw out your car, computer, fridge and any technological object you may own. I really don’t know how you could live with yourself otherwise.


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PostSubject: Re: Money Games Money Games Icon_minitimeWed Aug 16, 2017 6:24 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Sorry, but thats really the worst insult for me. When I take the time to rationally, logically, step by step explain something, and then the person I took the time and trouble for to explain it to just fails to read it and instead of reading it blurts out the gravest possible accusation for a philosopher, that I have taken anyone at his word, that I believe rather than reason.

It is you who failed to read, Sisyphus. That is bad enough. To suggest the it was I who failed here just to cover your own failure is very bad manners indeed.

I can not very wel deal with people who can not deal with logic. Not on a philosophy board. There are too many of them already, S, don’t join them. This is very serious.

We need people willing to use their mind. We do not need more thoughtless judgmental people.

Now, lets address the issue like grownups.
Ive already explained the logic, the reason that the stock exchange exists. Let us address that reality now.


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grrarrh, Im not gonna let this topic be pissed on like that.

I will repeat some, and explain some more.

The reason for selling shares in ones company is to get capital.
If one is setting up a high tech industry, capital is required.
One can not enter the high tech market as a private firm, unless one starts out as a multi millionaire.

So what makes it necessary for there to be a market to trade stocks?
This is a bit of a tricky statistical mathematical concept that actually translates very well into basic psychology.

Why would someone buy a piece of hypothetical value, if he can not sell it again at the price he bought it at?
No one will do that.

Therefore there is a stock market - to guarantee that the price of the stock relates to the value of the company.


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PostSubject: Re: Money Games Money Games Icon_minitimeWed Aug 16, 2017 7:02 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
2.

A stock comes to relate to the value of the company by it being traded.

At first, at the IPO as a company goes public it chooses to who it will give out its shares.
The price tends to be set so that it appears like a very favourable buy, which is to say, like something that can be sold for more over time.

Only as soon as these first holders start selling, does the value of the stock begin to take shape.

Often this results first in a falling down of the price, such as with Facebook or snapchat.

this comes about as follows: say the IPO buy-in price was set at 14 dollars.
The first day the stock is offered on the market, it will be offered for a price above that.
So the parket may open at 21, because that is the price the original owners decide to capitalize on their being allowed first into those stocks.

If the company isn’t showing revenue, the real value is hard to estimate, so the stock will tend to be sold for slightly less profit as the day proceeds - and when the price is seen to decrease, that is taken as a signal to pay even less, and the price lowers fast, it plummets, until it comes at a point where it would seem the stock couldn’t possible be worth less in the long run, at which point it stabilizes, and the company begins to adapt to the concerns that became apparent as the stock went public - what made it drop?What made it look less than solid?

If it adapts well, the stock will start to rise again. As the companies value increases demonstrably, the stock will be bought at a higher price, and an uptrend will be set in.

This is one way in which the market disciplines a company, and forces it to become productive, profitable, real.

Please respond to specific points. Don’t paraphrase me, don’t avoid anything, respond to specific and exactly quoted statements.
This is a realm of very strict logic.


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Fixed Cross wrote:
Haha
now I also understand why Amsterdam came up with the idea -
it was the VOC - the United East-Indies Company, that was too big to be carried by private interests.
It had to be supported by cutting it up and selling the shares across the entire affluence of the nation.

DAMN Im so fucking on point.

Because Sisyphus claimed I am wrong, I checked it (I knew my logic was sound, so I didnt check it before)

but check it out.

google wrote:
The Amsterdam Stock Exchange was established in 1602 by the Dutch East India Company (Verenigde Oostindische Compagnie, or “VOC”) for dealings in its printed stocks and bonds. It was subsequently renamed the Amsterdam Bourse and was the first to formally begin trading in securities.


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PostSubject: Re: Money Games Money Games Icon_minitimeWed Aug 16, 2017 9:04 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
“A stock comes to relate to the value of its company by being traded.”

And I think this hits it perfectly. Value is always negotiation, a statistical curve and seeks the mid point between multiple end points. How do you know your value on the marketplace of sexual selection and mate attraction? Go seek mates and see. Only a woman, or rather many women over time, can give you a rough idea of your value on that market, if you are a man.

A company sets its stock for IPO at $14, but that is just a guess. And a strategy. It doesn’t relate yet to real value, because real value can be determined only in the dynamic market of interested potential investors. As you say this is also psychology. We know the value of an idea, for example, or an emotion, only after we put it out on the marketplace of other ideas and emotions, see it traded around even if this occurs only in our own minds.

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Yeah, exactly.
This exposure to reality (which is always valuing) makes the stock into a selfvaluing, a consistency, a standard that has its own criteria for responsiveness.

The comparison to sexual selection is very rich, we can do a lot with that. Too much for now.


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And how is that?

One on one interactions.

I petition you for funding of my idea. You think it is a good idea. You finance my efforts. People talk. A good idea spreads.
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Sisyphus wrote:
Thrasymachus wrote:
And how is that?

One on one interactions.

I petition you for funding of my idea. You think it is a good idea. You finance my efforts. People talk. A good idea spreads.

Will you then prohibit T from selling his part on your company?
Because if you would do that, he would not be likely to finance you. The part of your company must hold some sort of economic value, not just the faithful expectation of you doing a good job.

What you propose is the same as putting a company on an exchange, except that you would force people to hold on to their share in your company, which would prevent them from buying it in the first place. If they can’t sell, the part has no value to them. Theyd only be giving you money, unless you share profit with them, which would make it very hard to make enough profits so as to be able to re-invest them. Told have to convince your partners to invest their profits as well - and in equal measure. That will never work, you’d be bickering for years and the company would go under.

Shares can only be given out once the company is throughly vetted for its financial potential.
That is only reasonable - you would also have to do that if you spread the word on your good idea.
Otherwise you’d be conning the investors.

The IPO (initial Pubic Offering), initial releasing of shares, is exactly what you propose. It is done one on one, people are approached in person, as a privilege.
These first owners can then freely sell their shares, which is why that share has value in the first place.

Again - big companies can not be financed simply by promising a significant return on profits. Profits are always going to be required to maintain the business.
Instead, the company is simply sold in pieces, people hold ownership of the company that they can sell, and the value of this partial ownership (share) changes in accordance with the way the company is doing.

Sometimes a company wil pay out dividends on the shares, more so if the value of the company is expected to remain stable (“value company”; insurances, banks, business in natural resource) and less so if the company is expected to have sudden bursts or drops in value (“growth company”; in todays work the prime examples are the large social media corporations).


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(from the public Capitalism thread)

Its not for the love of money, its the love of prospect.
Were pioneers, its in our blood, we must go beyond where anyone has gone.

Money is a means,
the language people speak.
He who speaks well, gains.
He who speaks carelessly or clumsily loses.

It doesn’t matter how rich one is born, if one is bad at money, one will only fall al the deeper. It is a curse to be born a miser with a lot of money. It will inevitably lead to murder or a long meaningless guardian-type life with a lot of enemies masquerading as friends.

To have money, one has to want to speak it.

A happy businessman is, Ive seen in my own dealings, happy enough to be losing some profit on someone who knows how to value what he has and is sharp enough to put a price on it.

Thats the game; first valuing, then pricing.

The discrepancy between the valuing and the pricing is the inefficiency of the market, the subjectivity of the companies IPO usually produces an initial inefficiency which traders then produce to reduce. As the stock becomes integrated into daily trading patterns the volatility of the spread, the difference between the highest ask and the lowest bid, is going to be reduced and the price of the thing will stabilize in some trend. But of course trends are constantly broken as one never stands in the same river twice definitely applies to the market, this is what is so beautiful about it. It almost-pure flux. One might say that it requires a form of art to discern order in it, because there is never a true order. Because everyone who is betting he market is influencing it, it simply can not be precisely modeled. It is beautiful as a river down a path of waterfalls is beautiful. It is beauty because it is pure value. It is what people make of the world, the direct result of both what they need and what they want.


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I have no more arguments. I can’t ever efficiently express my dislike for the stock market beyond what I have already said.

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Okay.


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I would sort of think Apple stock might be going down with this expensive new iPhone… they look a but maxed out. But I know far too little of whats going on inside

What do you make of this.
finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=AAPL

Check out the data under the graph, thats all very useful information.

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I declare war on stupidity. First step is to isolate myself from it. There is nothing glamorous or romantic or interesting about associating with stupidity or even relating myself to it. We should never even form relations of comparison between ourselves and stupidity. To even assume a basic relation, even to demonstrate the difference between it and us, would lower us infinitely.


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One good thing about capitalism is how it makes use of stupid people. Notice in the middle class, there is a direct relationship between stupidity and earnings. This only really exists in the middle class, as far as I can tell. People who are more stupid have better jobs, generally speaking, if you look at the middle class. In the upper class I assume that stupid people get out-competed and devoured by more intelligent people, at least in the long term, and to be stupid at the level of being rich would raise the stakes so high that stupidity would end up ruining such a person much more completely; whereas in the lower class everyone is just equally fucked so it doesn’t even matter whether a person is smart or stupid.

Look at any middle class, average sort of job or company in America and you will see idiots in charge. Stupid people move up the ranks, and I think capitalism does this on purpose, to give these stupid people more of a concentrated purpose and to strip degrees of freedom away from them. As they move up the ranks in their job, their options and choices are severely limited, they are forced into being a mere cog. They also make more money as they move up, which seems to be an unintended negative consequence of this model. But maybe not, since these companies are competing for the people who are stupid enough to occupy these positions but not so stupid as to be unable to perform the most basic rote cog-tasks that such positions require… you need to be stupid enough to not care that you are a soulless machine, but not so stupid that you cannot perform the tasks of a soulless machine. Thus companies compete for a very specific labor-niche… but although this niche is very specific, there is a huge pool of people in society who fall into that niche (of optimum stupidity, from a capitalistic middle-class perspective), so there is never a shortage of this kind of labor.

Damn capitalism, you are efficient.


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Nothing is more certain than the fact of the repulsiveness of stupidity.


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Remember too that a large part of capitalism/consumerism exists to suppress and satiate the will to power of the mob. In this sense it also makes sense that middle management and administrative positions would make more money than seems appropriate considering the vapid stupidity of the people who tend to occupy such positions… they trade degrees of freedom for extra pay, which is a very wise trade for a stupid person to make considering that a stupid person will use degrees of freedom poorly anyway. Instead, now with more access to money, they are better able to satiate and suppress their will to power in mindless consumerism.


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I am your labyrinth …”. -N

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I am also interested in the relationship between aesthetics and intelligence. A lack of intelligence is ugly, is not attractive. Beauty seems to be the recognition of value, the having of a value-standard already so that one can recognize that standard displayed in something or in another person. Reason, proportionality, truth, symmetry, clarity, these are examples of values aesthetically selected wherein this capacity for and love in selecting these makes up a part of the substructure of what we call intelligence. I think intelligence is also a form of aesthetics in a way, because to recognize a truth requires that we also see the value and beauty in this idea which is true. We might simply identify what is true against what is false and leave it there, but that doesn’t really capture what is going on in the intelligent or genius mind.

Intelligence is a strain of genius; genius is the complete fusion of aesthetics and truth, so that truth is seen as an aesthetic and aesthetics are seen as true. Intelligence is therefore a lesser version of this capability, so that certain truths are able to be experienced as aesthetically pleasing and certain aesthetics are able to be experienced as true.

Parodites once mentioned that standards for human beauty are closely linked to royalty and to cultivating standards of breeding that are also politically and intellectually linked. This made no sense to me at the time (years ago) but it makes sense to me now. Any counter-example we can find in society where a beautiful female is not intelligent or noble would merely indicate that one particular strain of this greater breeding-cultivating project has strayed from the overall fabric; many threads stray away like this, but the overall project remains, and the relationship between beauty and intelligence is deeply rooted at the philosophical level in value-standard-setting and in the aesthetics of truth; rooted in the fact that we biologically and psychologically select for qualities that expand will to power, which requires sufficient identification of values and sufficient identification of reality over falsity, as well as the ability to enjoy and love this selecting-activity that we are always engaging in. We must find pleasure in this, or else we would stop doing it.


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And beauty tends to come into rulership, when compared to ugliness. This is true whether at the level of nations, in companies, or even in our personal lives. This political and psychological (also economic) reality guarantees further links between intelligence (capacity, vision, IQ) and beauty (cultivation to rulership of value-setting).


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Thrasymachus wrote:
I declare war on stupidity. First step is to isolate myself from it. There is nothing glamorous or romantic or interesting about associating with stupidity or even relating myself to it. We should never even form relations of comparison between ourselves and stupidity. To even assume a basic relation, even to demonstrate the difference between it and us, would lower us infinitely.

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Thrasymachus wrote:
And beauty tends to come into rulership, when compared to ugliness. This is true whether at the level of nations, in companies, or even in our personal lives. This political and psychological (also economic) reality guarantees further links between intelligence (capacity, vision, IQ) and beauty (cultivation to rulership of value-setting).

I think thats valid.
Also it is unmistakably the case that stupidity is a form of ugliness. You can see genuine stupidity I some ones face, in less than concentrated feature-division, whatever the term - of course this is a dangerous subject.

But that guy and his “study”, that is bona fide ugliness.


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Absolutely, ugliness in complexion will be an indicator of “internal” ugliness. We are hollow; we are not made of organs and blood and muscle but rather we are made out of ideas, impressions, images, logic, values and patterns of valuing. To look at a human being internally would be to look at this “hollow” space wherein a universe of subtle impressions and values and idea-forms all float around together in complex relationships.

When that inner world or “soul” is confused and malformed then this will translate into outer malformation. I’m sure there are genetic components to this as well. We sexually select for beauty which also means for values, for clarity and definition and prowess, for “reality-ness” which also means For will to power.


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Yeah man, this is excellent.
Now I think you should be able to get a lot of pleasure out of holistic practices such as zen-breathing and all that -
all those things that are meant to integrate the experiences of the organs and the mind.
That is literally what the intention and effect is, to be able to feel the organs.
People who are internally ugly don’t want to feel their organs, they just let them get diseased and then die, just lie they don’t want to look at their basic assumptions - - which are organs in their own right.


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Heh

But really,

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For similar reasons, many if not most hot, or aspiring hot girls practice yoga, in part so they can wear yoga-pants, in part because it actually makes them more beautiful, and allows them to internally enjoy their already existing beauty.

What yoga is to women, chi kung is to men.

– edit - well, that goes for modern yoga
ancient yoga is the same sort of thing as chi kung, the work with the organs - tied by “meridians” (chi kung) or “nadis” (yoga)

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Yes, it is war. Odinwar.

We will use any and all means available to us.

Destroy. The. Stupid.


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FUCK

STUPID


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I do not understand.

Why.

So many people…

Suck ass.


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Yeah, fuck everything. This world is gay as hell. Fuck it.


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God

Humans are such total fucking shit


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I take it back. I would never demean animals by comparing them with humans.

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…are us. We moderns are the prototypes of a new kind of human, a new kind of animal that is built out of “knowledge” and “understanding”. The internet has allowed this process to rapidly accelerate. Most people value themselves in terms of the “knowledge and understanding” they have, they do not value that information in terms of themselves: but we do, we monsters of truth value truth and facts in terms of ourselves because we have become/are becoming beings made out of truth and facts as such. This is what philosophy really means. A new type from which flow entirely new kinds of emoting, thinking, motivation, valuing, acting; everything becomes changed, upgraded. This is the opposite of transhumanism. Transhumanism is merely the resistance to the new type, the new type that is us.


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This new type unlocks access to orders of magnitude greater ranges of truth and being. We are daemonic-heroic, we are self-valuing, we are tectonic. Information is our physiology, facts and truths are our playground for the self-discovery of the subjectivity of the new type. And I mean all of this in the most literal sense possible. This is not a metaphor.


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Morality is the limit-become-substance at the point at which information cannot be values in terms of oneself. Since obviously historically and even now most people cannot attend to being the new type, they must find a way to exist within that limitation. So the limit became substance and a structure built up on that substance, which structure has determined human values thus far. Because they cannot value their knowledge and understanding in terms of themselves, people at least learned how to value that limit in terms of themselves.


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I have, in the past, spoken harshly of those who are internet educated, know everything, but can’t do anything themselves.

I will likely have opportunities in the future to make similar criticism.

Facts are great. Can you apply them to real life situations?
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Sisyphus wrote:
I have, in the past, spoken harshly of those who are internet educated, know everything, but can’t do anything themselves.

I will likely have opportunities in the future to make similar criticism.

Facts are great. Can you apply them to real life situations?

Deep in their hearts all men long for the end of the world - paraphrasing someone.
Meaning: all real men loathe the condition of not being forced to provide for life’s necessities themselves. Civilization is always a prison for men. The only thing we can do it is truly to own it so we have freedom from its stupid rules.

So thats what we’ll do.


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Fixed Cross wrote:

Deep in their hearts all men long for the end of the world - paraphrasing someone.
Meaning: all real men loathe the condition of not being forced to provide for life’s necessities themselves. Civilization is always a prison for men. The only thing we can do it is truly to own it so we have freedom from its stupid rules.

So thats what we’ll do.

Yeah, I own my freedom. It has been paid for many times over. And I own my value system. What? An Anarchist with values? Yep.

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removed from the ingrates at ILP

It’s funny, I had a thought… a king wearing gold sitting on a gold throne, corrupted by the machineries of the universe revolving around the metal that can not become corrupted itself, the gold.

Law of Value

Spontaneous exchange brings multiplication and increase
spontaneous exchange is increase.

value/value = 2(value + q)

where q is any number greater than 0
and q is conditioned by R
which is reality
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Yes, Bitcoins is real but it isn’t what most people think it is in that it is just electronic counterfeiting, money laundering, and greater fools money racket.

It’s also an experimental trial run for when they role out eventually the real global singular electronic currency. It’s amusing watching the value of Bitcoin these days go parabolic over the value of gold, I wonder how long that trend will continue.
There is a lot to be said for gold, but it doesn’t provide an exchange network. You have to go through persons and use up time and carry around stuff you don’t want to be carrying around. People want to store value. The dollar is an open container and it won’t disappear but the Bitcoin is another container, which isn’t entirely open but contains a structural integrity that acts as a network builder and a memory of transactions. It is its own registry. People are spawning all sorts of other blockchain applications, like Ripple which acts as an intra-banks financial net and is skyrocketing as a relative value, as it is relatively more useful than other currencies, you can interchange it into many things and it sets things in motion, like money used to do when it was still good, backed with gold, the archetypical structural integrity of the physical world.

Its hard to trump gold when you are a metal. But cryptocurrencies will find it hard to challenge Bitcoin.
Gold does not mind anything, it will out last all of us.
Bitcoin might outlast us, in a wallet of an AI. Maybe AI willl erupt when it sees a chance to get rich.

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all is relative except gold
golden rule
he who has the gold, rules

All spontaneous value exchange brings increase. That means it partakes in the will to power, and seeks to eliminate other species of spontaneous or not so spontaneous value exchange, strong and weak wills.

Means of exchange do their part in determine ways in which values perpetuate. Sneakily, through its accountancy, the universe proceeded henceforth…
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Metaphor Mansion

gold corrupt because it is incorruptible
all is relative except gold
golden rule
he who has the gold, rules

All spontaneous value exchange brings increase. That means it partakes in the will to power, and seeks to eliminate other species of spontaneous or not so spontaneous value exchange, strong and weak wills.

Means of exchange do their part in determine ways in which values perpetuate. Sneakily, through its accountancy, the universe proceeded henceforth…
Who can tell the future is he who knows what he wants. - Captain Blizzard

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Its the same as your bank account. Its just numbers, but people let you buy stuff with those numbers.
There isn’t an actual stack of bills on your name. But your balance is real, in as far as it can “affect”, certainly.

The coins certainly exist technically, they are generated by laborious processes and unlike fiat money they are a there to be verified for anyone. The value attributed to them is largely a result of how well they function as a currency in an age of increased complexity where fiat money results in more and more inflation and poverty. I think the European Central Banks long standing policy to uphold negative interest rates, making it impossible for people to save money through banks, and even resulting in people having to pay to let the bank control their money, is also making people look for financial institutions/methods that promise some return on investment.

The ECB is like the anti-bank. It is destroying banking and stimulating alternatives. I don’t know if its head Draghi is aware of this.


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Money is always abstract, whether that money is paper currency, digital currency (I like the parallel meaning between ‘currency’ and ‘current’), or gold coins. You cannot eat a gold coin, you can’t “do” anything much useful with it really, at least unless you have a blacksmith forge of some kind. But gold is really too soft to turn into a knife or anything else metallic that is decently hard enough to be useful in a practical way.

Once we evolved past bartering chickens for wheat, the universe opened to us.

I think the lesson is this: value cannot be quantified except through a process of ‘abstraction’, i.e. what we call consciousness. In other words, what we call consciousness is the process of abstracting in such a way as to lead to the further quantification of values.

Values exist, “money” will always follow. Money is just a language of value-creation.


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Sad you were removed from the ILP roles.

Yes, stop giving support for helpful efforts so the wealthy can have more money be it gold or whatever.

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This could be a genius solution to their inflation problem. Given that cryptos are deflation oriented.
Good name. Almost perfect.

cryptopanic.com/news/729566/Mor … ypto-Petro
bloomberg.com/news/articles … to-bitcoin

Ill keep an eye on this.

(so the news is that they are the first to launch an asset-backed cryptocurrency. Curious show this works technically, but it sure is a promising move)


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Who was removed from what?


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AH - sorry. No that was me, I deleted my posts there and put them here instead. Felt too much of a gift for a site that isn’t giving back a lot lately.


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Not counting PMs. One guy tipped me to a couple of stocks, won’t name names but with several stocks, they propelled up above 20 percent the day after he mentioned them.
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“Friendship has replaced God.”

Haha yeah. What has “God” ever been except one’s one lack of true friends?


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AH - sorry. No that was me, I deleted my posts there and put them here instead. Felt too much of a gift for a site that isn’t giving back a lot lately.

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The first time a player quit on me after I castled.

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Pezers opening by the way.
Ive found this to overwhelm low players.


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lost a shitload trying then came back to finally be allowed the same buildup


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ok so below 1500 is truly complete dorkhood.
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I los three times in a row from a timeout out of a beautiful position because a faltering connection. Very irritating, so I went on losing the next games in irritation.


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Want to play a few games for practice/training purposes?


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I find that doesn’t work, I can only play on equal footing. Its better if you beat me than if we get stuck in theory. Ill learn from any game against a good opponent.


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That makes sense. I’m always up for straight up games too.


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Alright nice.


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dude took my queen, thought he was out of the woods

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Jezuz that’s brutal. You’ve gotten really good with tactics and tempo. Nice.


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Haha, thanks.
I discover in these situations that there is an incredible power to the king, as it directly directs the other players moves.

Also I find its a difficult art using a queen and not have it be a precious mantlepiece that mustn’t be broken
When I check my analytics I see that most of my “average centipawn loss” is by far the highest with my queen. Some fundamental rule about the queen must exist, of which Im not yet aware.

do you have any rules where she is concerned?


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We talked about the queen and the horses, or you did, but when I read that I was also contemplating a strategy using queen and horses as complementary halves of the core unit of a strategy. I havent been able to implement anything, as I don’t master the queen well enough. Have you worked with this complementary knights/queen idea?

edit - knight is “paard”, horse, in Dutch.
Bishop is “loper”, walker.


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I remember thinking about how the knight exactly covers those squares within a three square radius that the queen does not cover, their attacks map onto each other perfectly. But the queen is also dangerous because of how she has to move away when attacked, except by another queen where you can do a trade. I like your idea about the king and it’s power to direct all other pieces. This seems to go well with those Fischer games where he brings his king out right away. I’ll have to think about his more.

Centipawn loas is something I never took the time to understand. I’ll have to look at that too.

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We shall outdo each other in cool setups and scenes.

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“In the future, Canada is the most powerful nation on the face of the planet. As global warming has wiped out most of the warmer continents the masses have come to the north to swarm Canada’s unfrozen bays in the North, where a new culture is sprawling, Some call it: New Atlantis. In reality it is still the British Crown. The United States fulfills the function of a filter and takes up all the scum and puts them into private prisons, paid for by a barely sustained populace of the new 2nd world, Northern Europe and the US. A transit zone to the New Lands, which in fact are centralized in Denmarks rule of Greenland. In the South, Argentina has become a center of refuge and is inexplicabily dense with evil. We will come to that nation in the course of the story. But the story is devastating; due to the climatological disasters, not only have lands been wiped out but diseases have spread and man has been narrowed down some 20 percent but proves remarkably resilient on the whole. Other species die out but strange mutations are seen in sea animals. It seems like more primordial times are arriving; but this is only a matter of speculation and for ridicule as far as our hero, Dan Brown McConaugheyw, is concerned… he is only after the truth. In his back pocket he carries “On the Road” and the Holy Bible - he is one of the last remaining Christians.”


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That is a fantastic setup. And I love the character’s name lol.

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I was 17, drivung with my brother on the highway. I go to switch to the fast lane but the car behind decides fuck me and doesnt slow down. I swerve out just in time. Angrily I swerbe back in and right back out again as some asshole decides he’ll zip through anyway. Appearently that asshole didn’t like this.

So he switches back in front of me on my lane and starts slowing down. I try to pass him but he blocks me, all the time slowing down. I’m in a 97 Accord, he a 9something Corolla. As the exit comes up we are almost at a full stop. I aim at the middle between highway and exit and he is forced to let me pass, see where I go. The exit is to my neighbourhood so I take it. Fly down a very sharp curve, Corolla in tow.

We get to a red light on usually busy intersection so I stop. Guy gets out. Not dirt poor but certainly not rich. Does he have a gun? They often do and people get shot for far less. He comes up to the window and starts banging on it. Something whispers to me but then I remember my brother is with me and he dont like battle, doesnt do well in it. So I run the light fast. He runs back to his car and gives chase.

We are going very fast in a very residencial area.

I zip and zag and cross and accelerate, but streets too narrow to gain speed. I see a street I know leads to a more major one, and its an oncoming lane. I drive fast into it, maybe he’ll think it’s not worth it. He doesn’t though. There is a small cue of cars looking angrily back at me. I swerve past em with angryman in tow.

I finally decide if I wont batyle and cant outrun, Ill drive past police station very fast and honk. After I swerve into a much wider and more busy oncoming, swerving and dodging, anfrydude in tow. Then the popo pull us over. Angry gives his version, I give mine, a concerned citizen that appearently followed us from the highway hives his calling angry a crazy.

Popo decides to let me go, wait 5 and let crazy go, and leave well enough alone.
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seems like we’ve had many of the same experiences
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I don’t need to throw bottles at anything. If I let it it just finds ne.
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haha, fair enough

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watch all games in real time speed. that’s the only rule of chess games posted in this thread.

and try to develop speed, accuracy, power.

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oh yeah lichess.org/nIc8c6NZ/white#71


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everybody wang chung tonight!

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632935

6255239

3328455733

1283744329234

1 4 7

4 4 7

4 4 4

1234 5

(1)

916 414 747 268 386 9711

7518

9*3= 77
9+3= 2

77
2

2
77

768=867

7125 is 717 is

89

with (2)

to communicate some numbers are needed,

7777 for sure and also 4545 and 817653942853769991615141323132999


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Defenders of the Earth wrote:

to communicate some numbers are needed,

7777 for sure and also 4545 and 817653942853769991615141323132999

m trying to help out here. Let me see. Just stepping into the fucking storm.

737

848

20

09

13

24

28/38

9

8

9

etc (14 (6+7+1), 21, 12, 41 (6x7-1))


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1111111111 = 1

222222222 = 9

33333333 = 6

4444444 = 1

555555 = 3

66666 = 3

7777 = 1

888 = 6

99 = 9

1 = 1


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7

1234567 = 28 = 1

35791113 = 30 = 3

8121610224 = 27 = 9

933771246 = 42 = 6

126101483610 = 33 = 6

“7” = 13966 = 1312 = 7

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Nadlers Pants I Like My Crumbs • 4 hours ago
Yesterday proves that AMERICA IS NO LONGER at the MERCY of the middle east for oil anymore…Thanks President Trump… If anything that just might scare the Iranians showing them they have 0 power…The Price of oil is stable today…what would a barrel be if this happened during Obamas Presidency…25 more today…

jpatriot18 Nadlers Pants • 4 hours ago
A very good point!

DougS jpatriot18 • 3 hours ago
Iranians themselves ushered in this terrorist regime and it’s up to THEM to get rid of it if they even WANT to…

The Bush clan convinced many of us (myself include admittedly) that bringing freedom to the Middle East by force would be welcomed & stabilizing… well THAT costly experiment has been run and once again confirms that freedom is NOT a universal value.

Some cultures don’t WANT freedom & much prefer some despotic regime lording over their lives.

If they deserve it - fine… sanctions, maybe some ordinance, whatever… but using our own blood & treasure to bring freedom to those who gave theirs away is no longer in my value system.

He said “my value system”.

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And yet the first guy makes an excellent point.

Todays headline on the mainstream paper was peacetime in Baghdad. A picture of an intellectual coffee-hall kind of sunlit bar with wooden tables and reading people made me forget all misery of the west for an instant. No one needs Iran or the way it has been self-valuing. But… this is all out of our hands. Iran has been clamouring for war for ever and that is quite literal, as they have in their thousands of years of existence not very often been loved for their peacefulness. The current Athenians have not named the entrance of their harbour “Themistocles” for nothing.


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The phone company can not cut your access to phone service because they don’t like your speech content.
YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter are now means of communication–they have become the 21st century phone–as such they should be considered utilities and open to all regardless of content.
Time for legislation to bring the first amendment into cyber space.


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Curiously enough the war in Iraq did, in the end, due to Trump coming to power, result in the long desired secular peace in Baghdad. Intellectual freedom might emerge there, as we are at risk of squandering it in the west.

Not that I think we will end up squandering it definitively. I think some psyches on the left are beginning to allow for some self-reflection. Why do I think this? In part because Ive just finished Bret Easton Ellis’ non fiction account of it all and because this book, which very explicitly tells the story of the rise of leftist insanity, is very prominently displayed in a popular bookstore in Amsterdam, my mom who gave me this book told me. It is absolutely a good sign that this book is allowed here.

But back to the East - Im noting this about Iraq in response to a moralistic RT article that states that the US plans to make tactical strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities based on this tanker incident point to a refusal to learn from the lessons of the consequences of Powells lies. But - there always was good reason to end Saddams reign, the ostensibly false WMD narrative was just a means to get the hypocritical UN behind it - I remember watching Powell exhibit it and not believing a single word and yet not minding it all because I wanted Saddam gone - it may all be terribly immoral, but I really don’t want completely savage fascist regimes obtaining any global power whatsoever, and I am extremely relieved still that Obamas policy of making Iran into an atomic superpower has been cut short, and I don’t believe for a second the majority of Iranians would be terribly upset if not all their countrys wealth went into attempts to destroy the US Europe and Israel, but went into cultivating Iran as a civilization.

Iran is perhaps the most bellicose nation on Earth, seeing how long it has existed and that it has since its days as the Persian Empire never been at ease keeping to itself. In fact there are accounts of Iranian warfare going back over ten thousand years into some parallel history described by Rudolf Steiner, when it was supposedly at war with Turan.

I might not be opposed to Iran having nukes in case it converts to a rational, cooperative, sane kind of power, of which I consider he population highly capable. In fact if they convert to being sane, there may not be a way to stop them from obtaining nukes, simply because there won’t be sufficient reason to deny them the right.

But that is not the case now. If Iran obtains nukes now we have the certainty of nuclear Saudi Arabia and a nuclear Turkey and this means all European nations will want to arm themselves. I think this is a possible future which might as well be averted.

Plus, Iran wants war. It has been cultivating nothing besides the expectation of being attacked. It constantly proclaims doom on all of the western world, and is constantly disrupting life in neighbouring nations. It would take history a great afford to avoid rewarding action with reaction.


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Iran is open about having spies throughout the west, and it routinely assassinates Iranians who have escaped to our countries here. It is a country at open war with over a dozen nations. But it is so successful in employing antisemitism to blame Israel for all of its actions, that it has gone on uninterrupted except my Israels constant efforts to prevent its own destruction at the hands of Iranian proxies, off which the Obama administration was one of the most efficient. I don’t know that they need to be this intrusive. But then perhaps this is simply the genetics of the current regime; war on all foreign nations at all costs. Remember it is at odds not only with the west but with virtually every nation in its region as well. It doesn’t have a lot of allies other than Russia, and I have no fucking clue what Russia is thinking at the moment. It doesn’t say anything, hasn’t been expressing anything for quite a while. I take this as a sign that they’ve received some respect they were due, like for example the US withdrawing from Syria and leaving Assad, and Trumps recognition of Crimea as a done deal, and probably a whole lot more. Sanctions are an ongoing show of hostility but beneath that surface, Russia’s interests have, compared to what was the case in 2013 and 2014, been somewhat secured, or so it seems to me.

Russia is sill foolishly flirting with China and 5G, which will come at massive cost to any nation that takes the contract. Mas-sive, massively massive cost. On the one hand one can’t blame them for keeping close to China, on the other, it may be as bad a bet as any of the others now available. Perhaps each country does best now by turning into itself, and ceasing to act on globalistic ambitions. Iran however will not turn into itself, its current self valuing is anchored in, draws its life from, its warmongering vis a vis the west.


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Irans technique for enriching Uranium was even stolen from around the corner from where I was raised, at the same hadron collider site where my dad developed his memory chip in the early 90s, and smuggled to Pakistan. I already think it is unbalanced, given this fact, that the Netherlands do not have nukes and Pakistan does, but Pakistan expresses and commits no hostilities on us. Iran is another mater. If they use our technology to build the bomb, we will need to develop it as well. And so will Italy, Greece, Serbia, Lithuania, Hungary, any nation that is being threatened and/or compromised by Iran directly or indrirectly. This will apply most of all to all Sunni muslim states. There is no way one could convince them to not develop nukes if Shia Iran, so explicitly out to harm those who experience God differently, is permitted one. This would definitely be good for Uranium stocks but otherwise I don’t like the idea very much at all.


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‘SING HALLELUJAH TO THE LORD’ EMERGES AS ANTHEM OF HONG KONG’S PROTESTS

For the past week, the hymn has been heard almost non-stop at the main protest site, in front of the city’s Legislative Council, and at marches and even at tense stand-offs with the police.

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These look nice
rt.com/russia/462135-mig35- … et-russia/

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Russia, which owns thousands of nukes, criticizes Israel for having 90 nukes and being against Iran acquiring nukes.

Not judging, just observing the cognitive level of newscast-based propaganda. We could decide to get beyond that kind of thing as mankind.

I think instead of newscaster companies we want only individual sources we can select from a list of millions.

We should have a radio-dial like interface for selecting sources by latitude and longitude.


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Jesus is pretty damn fucking powerful.


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Fundamentalist old world medieval theocracies with nuclear weapons is a bad idea.


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In general its a bad idea to allow any new nations to acquire nukes. Given the entitlement-age we live in, every godforsaken shithole on the planet will start developing these bombs.

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Is matter an expression of perception or perception an expression of matter?

When an event happens such as a car wreck did was the mass pushed there by the infinite collisions in reality or was that mass pulled there by the need for the occurrence of the event or the desire of maybe the collective perception?
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Is matter an expression of perception or perception an expression of matter?

When an event happens such as a car wreck did was the mass pushed there by the infinite collisions in reality or was that mass pulled there by the need for the occurrence of the event or the desire of maybe the collective perception?
You are Abstract! Smile

Our experience of matter is an expression of perception. You and I may perceive a tree differently - qualia - but at the same time, we see the physical tree and its characteristics basically the same. No?
The soul of the tree, on the other hand, we may perceive differently.

Insofar as we are made of matter - and we as matter are doing the perceiving, then one can say that perception is an expression of matter.

Insofar as the car wreck is concerned, I tend to look on it as a continuity of cause and effect. Everything is connected to everything else and in a sense that is what caused the wreck. Realistically speaking, it was human failing that caused it or just some fluke. But there are or appear to be a lot of things that are unexplainable in the universe that appear to have meaning because of random actions and what appears to be synchronicity - are we placing meaning on something because of the good or the bad that comes as a result of it and ought we to?


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You are Abstract! Smile

Our experience of matter is an expression of perception. You and I may perceive a tree differently - qualia - but at the same time, we see the physical tree and its characteristics basically the same. No?
The soul of the tree, on the other hand, we may perceive differently.

Insofar as we are made of matter - and we as matter are doing the perceiving, then one can say that perception is an expression of matter.

Insofar as the car wreck is concerned, I tend to look on it as a continuity of cause and effect. Everything is connected to everything else and in a sense that is what caused the wreck. Realistically speaking, it was human failing that caused it or just some fluke. But there are or appear to be a lot of things that are unexplainable in the universe that appear to have meaning because of random actions and what appears to be synchronicity - are we placing meaning on something because of the good or the bad that comes as a result of it and ought we to?

I think often we place meaning on a specific domino in the line of infinite dominoes because that one is the one that if effected and called the cause, will prevent (as best as we know) the problem from happening again… we punish the murder to prevent further crime not to revenge… (or at least so it should be IMO)

What is to say that we are matter rather then matter is us? that is to say it is just an expression of our perception…I think for that there is no telling, but given where we are in thought now it seems more beneficial to work out the equations so as to ‘science’ under the assumption that matter is the base rather then perception.

But to the topic; if time were reversed would perhaps the result not be seen as the cause… and who is to say which time perceiver has the ‘right’ point of view.
Perhaps rather then asking which is the cause we should see that their is no cause.

(perhaps someday they will find that there is no limit to speed but rather that things that go faster then the speed of light simply can’t be perceived…by us… anymore…which might explain why if you are going as fast as light the light beam directed at you from a stand still would still appear as light… because what you are really seeing then is the stuff that was going faster …)


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I think often we place meaning on a specific domino in the line of infinite dominoes because that one is the one that if effected and called the cause, will prevent (as best as we know) the problem from happening again… we punish the murder to prevent further crime not to revenge… (or at least so it should be IMO)

Hmmm…but if we consider that one domino as a human being, let’s say, then we would have to see that it was not the cause so much as it was a continuation of or a continuity of flow (for lack of a better word/phrase). In order to find the cause, one has to begin at the beginning or work backwards to the beginning. If I understand what you’re saying here.

We might punish the murderer to prevent further crime but as you may know, punishment in itself can be, at best, only a deterrent, and does not get at the cause or the root of something.

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What is to say that we are matter rather then matter is us?
Can you explain the distinction you are making here?

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that is to say it is just an expression of our perception…I think for that there is no telling,
Unless I am misunderstanding you here, I don’t think of ‘matter’ as ‘just’ an expression of our perception. It is a word that we have coined to ‘mean’ and to ‘describe’ something, unless that is what you meant. We all ‘perceive’ things differently, in the larger sense of the word, as the way in which each individual first sensates and then ‘sees’ it - but we recognize them within the category which we’ve given them. You and I recognize the ‘sky’ – at the same time, the words which we might use to express the way in which we ‘perceive’ it - because of our personal sensations - may be worlds apart. I hope that makes sense.

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but given where we are in thought now it seems more beneficial to work out the equations so as to ‘science’ under the assumption that matter is the base rather then perception.
“Base’ as in physical evidence? Perhaps we ‘may’ also consider ‘perception’ as a base - perception as the base under which we tend to adopt our beliefs, for instance, but of course, I’m digressing here probably.

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But to the topic; if time were reversed would perhaps the result not be seen as the cause…
Psychologically speaking - yes.I suppose that I could see it that way. In terms of my own life, accepting everything as it is and loving that – as in Amor Fati, I could see both as being the same…or the result being the ‘real’ cause …but one could only see that in hindsight. Aside from that, one might say that considering how things did turn out, could it have turned out any other way – the end result is always determined by its beginnings and its continuity of flow.

There is also a school of thought that the Big Bang is actually the end result of another universe destroyed…so not the beginning as many think but an end which gave rise to a new beginning Rolling Eyes . It just depends on how one looks at something. Cause and effect is not so black and white.

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and who is to say which time perceiver has the ‘right’ point of view.
There really is no right point of view – it just depends on where you are standing when you are looking.

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Perhaps rather then asking which is the cause we should see that their is no cause.
Well, I am not so sure that there IS NO CAUSE. But there is not just one cause – the cause is the whole of it.

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(perhaps someday they will find that there is no limit to speed but rather that things that go faster then the speed of light simply can’t be perceived…by us… anymore…which might explain why if you are going as fast as light the light beam directed at you from a stand still would still appear as light… because what you are really seeing then is the stuff that was going faster …)
Is this somehow tied into cause?


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I think often we place meaning on a specific domino in the line of infinite dominoes because that one is the one that if effected and called the cause, will prevent (as best as we know) the problem from happening again… we punish the murder to prevent further crime not to revenge… (or at least so it should be IMO)

Hmmm…but if we consider that one domino as a human being, let’s say, then we would have to see that it was not the cause so much as it was a continuation of or a continuity of flow (for lack of a better word/phrase). In order to find the cause, one has to begin at the beginning or work backwards to the beginning. If I understand what you’re saying here.

We might punish the murderer to prevent further crime but as you may know, punishment in itself can be, at best, only a deterrent, and does not get at the cause or the root of something.
Well my point would be that “cause” is ultimately not a reality just an abstraction. There is no cause… because the dominos stretch back to the beginning of time… “beginning” of time is a contradiction so realy there is no beginning things just are… The point of identifying what might be called the cause is to find that which when prevented deters as I said… and yes often our punishments don’t work…I feel we need more 'corrective in our corective instituion of course… perhaps though the reason what corrections we make don’t really work is because we are trying to correct the wrong thing…perhaps a symptom rather then the actual problem.

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What is to say that we are matter rather then matter is us?
Can you explain the distinction you are making here?

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that is to say it is just an expression of our perception…I think for that there is no telling,
Unless I am misunderstanding you here, I don’t think of ‘matter’ as ‘just’ an expression of our perception. It is a word that we have coined to ‘mean’ and to ‘describe’ something, unless that is what you meant. We all ‘perceive’ things differently, in the larger sense of the word, as the way in which each individual first sensates and then ‘sees’ it - but we recognize them within the category which we’ve given them. You and I recognize the ‘sky’ – at the same time, the words which we might use to express the way in which we ‘perceive’ it - because of our personal sensations - may be worlds apart. I hope that makes sense.
I believe what I meant was that perhaps matter is just a thing we have created with our spirit/mind/perception…and really all there is is thought… ( that i believe is one of those things like the concept of god, it cannot be proved or disproved…)

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but given where we are in thought now it seems more beneficial to work out the equations so as to ‘science’ under the assumption that matter is the base rather then perception.
“Base’ as in physical evidence? Perhaps we ‘may’ also consider ‘perception’ as a base - perception as the base under which we tend to adopt our beliefs, for instance, but of course, I’m digressing here probably.
What I meant was the actual reality = base… the true ‘thing’ that all is made of…

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and who is to say which time perceiver has the ‘right’ point of view.
There really is no right point of view – it just depends on where you are standing when you are looking.
but if you are standing in the same spot as another and think something else is the right point of view then which is right…?

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Perhaps rather then asking which is the cause we should see that their is no cause.
Well, I am not so sure that there IS NO CAUSE. But there is not just one cause – the cause is the whole of it.

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(perhaps someday they will find that there is no limit to speed but rather that things that go faster then the speed of light simply can’t be perceived…by us… anymore…which might explain why if you are going as fast as light the light beam directed at you from a stand still would still appear as light… because what you are really seeing then is the stuff that was going faster …)
Is this somehow tied into cause?
Lol… scratch I have no idea why I said that…


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Well my point would be that “cause” is ultimately not a reality just an abstraction. There is no cause… because the dominos stretch back to the beginning of time… “beginning” of time is a contradiction so realy there is no beginning things just are… The point of identifying what might be called the cause is to find that which when prevented deters as I said… and yes often our punishments don’t work…I feel we need more 'corrective in our corective instituion of course… perhaps though the reason what corrections we make don’t really work is because we are trying to correct the wrong thing…perhaps a symptom rather then the actual problem.
But an abstraction ultimately points to something concrete, some truth, right?
I think that there has to be a cause - as in meaning that something was affected by something else. Speaking of the origin of the universe, isn’t it a bit unrealistic to say that there was no beginning? I do understand though what you mean by no cause - since everything from the ‘beginning’ has continued to be affected by everything else as in a continuity - or as you say, the domino effect.

Perhaps the only reason things do not get corrected is because we do not get at the root of the problem. We need to go back to the very beginning in order to see it all or we are taking things out of context. There cannot be healing or movement without total seeing.

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What is to say that we are matter rather then matter is us?

Can you explain the distinction you are making here?
It was Vaeros Tanarg who was asking for the distinction here. The only thought that comes to me here is that, as matter, we ALSO happen to ourselves. We do not simply make things happen. You may find that a bit silly.

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that is to say it is just an expression of our perception…I think for that there is no telling,

I believe what I meant was that perhaps matter is just a thing we have created with our spirit/mind/perception…and really all there is is thought… ( that i believe is one of those things like the concept of god, it cannot be proved or disproved…)
What do you mean here - as the buddhists believe - that it is all illusion? Are you saying that matter is not real and that it has no physical properties? That it is simply illusion? Try pinching yourself, Abstract, do you not feel or hurt when you do that?

Matter isn’t simply a concept - it’s also reality. It’s physical. God is a concept which cannot be proven except within our minds and hearts. Unless I am misunderstanding your meaning. As a thing of matter, Abstract, do you see yourself as simply a concept - or do you see a physical you…though the physical you barely touches the surface.

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but given where we are in thought now it seems more beneficial to work out the equations so as to ‘science’ under the assumption that matter is the base rather then perception.

“Base’ as in physical evidence? Perhaps we ‘may’ also consider ‘perception’ as a base - perception as the base under which we tend to adopt our beliefs, for instance, but of course, I’m digressing here probably.

What I meant was the actual reality = base… the true ‘thing’ that all is made of…
Beautiful swirling atoms? I think that there has to be a zillion ‘things’ that all is made of. If we ever come to truly know the thing that all is made of - then we might just touch on god…know that which can, in reality, at least for now only be a concept.

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and who is to say which time perceiver has the ‘right’ point of view.

There really is no right point of view – it just depends on where you are standing when you are looking.

but if you are standing in the same spot as another and think something else is the right point of view then which is right…?
That’s a really good question, Abstract. Not so easy to answer. I suppose that I would say that each individual must move to another location and see what they see, without judging, just seeing what they see. Their perception might change. Carl Jung said that truth needs the concert of many voices. Here truth would need the concert of many different vantage points and perspectives. I suppose that you might also say that the point of view which is correct or more correct would be the one which actually held the most intelligence, logic and validity. But in order to know this, both parties MUST BE interested in knowing the truth - not in proving a point.

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(perhaps someday they will find that there is no limit to speed but rather that things that go faster then the speed of light simply can’t be perceived…by us… anymore…which might explain why if you are going as fast as light the light beam directed at you from a stand still would still appear as light… because what you are really seeing then is the stuff that was going faster …)

Is this somehow tied into cause?

Lol… scratch I have no idea why I said that…
The only reason truly that I asked that question is because I didn’t know how to respond. scratch I am not really scientifically inclined though I enjoy science and am very curious about it. The only thing there that came to my mind is how we are still able to see the light from a particular star and don’t even realize in that moment that that star may have long ago died out but the light is still reaching us. Smile

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why if you are going as fast as light the light beam directed at you from a stand still would still appear as light…
Perhaps that would be because if you are going as fast as the speed of light you would have some of the characteristics and qualities, be of the same nature as light and so you would recognize it…no matter how swiftly it was going. We can only recognize that which we are a part of - true? Aside from that…


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Where the black hole of physics is supposedly born from a collapsing star, I theorize our ethical black hole is born from (though now only an incipient form) the collapse of the natural order; an attempted hiatus from aeons of evolutionary engineering, a moratorium from the harsher side-effects of natural selection (or more like double interest but no payments for a century).
Excellent analogy.

But my way is to step over the mountain of past thought, beyond the Sea of turmoil to a place of inevitable future, then mark a path from there back to the present, thus avoiding the need for such mass calamity and horrendous and endless conflict and noise.

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I ask you: Is preserving life inherently good? I’ll neglect the more ambiguous issue of genetic decadence and ask of our burgeoning, soon to be (if not already) turgid, population: what of them? Death, War, Famine and Pestilence: man has systematically domesticated not himself but the four horsemen. This is indeed a black hole that I will need hours to write something I’ll be satisfied with, but let us run through this ethical singularity with a fine-toothed comb and see where we arrive…if you feel so inclined.
Very precisely define exactly what Life is, imagine a means to ensure that such an entity is everlasting in its form, and you will have answered that question.
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To stay on population for a moment, I’d like to know your proposition (as I assume you’re well aware that we’re at—or just below—7 billion right now and projected to exceed 10 billion by 2055 and the medical, social, political and economic issues this causes—especially when considering the ubiquitous computerization/mechanization of industry—I’ll spare you the sermon)…how do you plan to combat this, or do you just wait for it to solve itself by running full steam ahead into the growth cap where we can no longer house, employ, provide medical attention for, feed, educate, etc. a substantial (more so than at present) body of the populous? There’s only so many free condoms you can hand out…

But honestly, I’d be very interested to hear some ideas, as most of mine are…not something I’d like to do.

And of life, I think the answer is: Inherently? No. As you pointed out, life is alchemical in that some must be lost for another to gain. So another approach to the question would be that the preservation of life should be regarded discursively, which still is somewhat like contending that the preservation of life isn’t inherently good.


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Aleatory wrote:
To stay on population for a moment, I’d like to know your proposition (as I assume you’re well aware that we’re at—or just below—7 billion right now and projected to exceed 10 billion by 2055 and the medical, social, political and economic issues this causes—especially when considering the ubiquitous computerization/mechanization of industry—I’ll spare you the sermon)…how do you plan to combat this, or do you just wait for it to solve itself by running full steam ahead into the growth cap where we can no longer house, employ, provide medical attention for, feed, educate, etc. a substantial (more so than at present) body of the populous? There’s only so many free condoms you can hand out…

But honestly, I’d be very interested to hear some ideas, as most of mine are…not something I’d like to do.

And of life, I think the answer is: Inherently? No. As you pointed out, life is alchemical in that some must be lost for another to gain. So another approach to the question would be that the preservation of life should be regarded discursively, which still is somewhat like contending that the preservation of life isn’t inherently good.
Always take care to consider the False Flag, the over emphasis of a specific possible target/cause so as to request and receive authority to control the situation.

In the 1960’s it was clear that the population growth rate was merely 2.5:2.0, 2.5 children per set of parents. Yet the emphasis has been that the population is expanding exponentially at incredible rates and thus… “we, the government, must institute control measures.”

The truth is that every life form on the planet loses incentive toward reproduction as soon as it senses harmony in its life. Cut a branch from a tree that was merely beginning to bud, and the buds suddenly race to complete their endeavor to spawn seed. The threat of death is the more fundamental cause of the urge to reproduce, ask any Nietzschean. Remove the perception of need, and there is no effort to meet. Does a natural creature long for food if it feels no hunger?

Yet look at what has been promoted since the 1960’s; sex, promiscuity, sexual rights, father’s obligation to pay both the state and the children’s mother, government control mechanisms for the rampant sex rage that magically never actually stop it.

So my first comment and note is that you have accepted a “clear and present danger” that is a False Flag, created so as to bring this very conversation of how the government should handle this “emergency”.

I have already spelled out my solution. The Constitution of Rational Harmony inherently takes away the incentive to reproduce more than one can manage. And it does it without oppressive government or having to chose who lives or is exterminated for sake of an imagined future utopia under supreme rule.

The government’s preferred answer is;
“life is alchemical in that some must be lost for another to gain. So another approach to the question would be that the preservation of life should be regarded discursively, which still is somewhat like contending that the preservation of life isn’t inherently good. So what really matters is evolution of the species, our (not your) specifically chosen design of future life”

Lust for Domination, Evolution, and Mutations.

If they cannot see the firmament in the clouds of rampant chaos, they cannot blame it for our reign.
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Two simple questions in one;

What is the incentive and fears of Eugenics?

A) Incentive - Control of all Life (thus promote the need; “False Flag”)
B) Fears - That people will blame us for our designed changes. (thus create a cloud of changes/mutations to hide in)

But then what are the highest notions concerning the “proper Utopian society for Life”?
Socialism/Communism;
Total control of the proletariat by the bourgeoisie - even their genomes.

Health by designation of the State?
Survival of the Fitted?

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I’m skeptical of bringing conspiracy theory into discussion predicated on accurate information, for if we are to take the conspiracy as plausible (any conspiratorial, clandestine, collusive act by the government) all information is rendered as equally true and false and all discussion thus made aleatory, hypothetical and more or less a form of intellectual masturbation. I say this because you are either speaking of just the US (where I am talking of the world) or are implying a ‘world government’. If just the US, I would feel obligated to point out a country whose judicial government is in utter imbroglio over a relatively innocuous issue such as abortion would be the last to enact totalitarian measures of population control—remember the outrage over China’s one-child policy? I’ll analyze just the US situation in detail for now. If we are to believe the US government is feeding us nothing but agitprop, that figures from the Census Bureau etc. are wholly false, then by all means we should cease this discussion immediately to avoid otiose banter[1]. If however you think the Census Bureau may have some semblance of accuracy, you may want to read the following paragraph. Otherwise, simply skip to the 3rd and 4th.

2.5 is not a rate deserving of the term ‘merely’. If you have 100 couples, each of which has an average of 2.5 children, your succeeding generation (this hypothetical first group of offspring) will be 250 in number. They follow suit, so your 2nd generation numbers 625. By the 5th generation you’re already at 9765.625. The logistics of demographic predictions are obviously more complex than that: you must incorporate birth rate weighted by infant mortality v. death, emigration v. immigration, life expectancy, etc. almost all of which have inherent margins of error. However, from the CIA’s 2010 numbers, using just the factors listed above, we can generate a relatively accurate figure. A birth rate of 13.5/1,000 weighted by an infant mortality of 6.22 deaths/1,000 live births gives us a birth rate of 13.42/1,000. Subtracting migrants (4.32/1,000), (we’ll add the legally documented immigrants momentarily), and subtracting deaths (8.38/1,000) we still have a positive number (though admittedly small). Multiplying that figure by the 2010 census and adding the legally documented immigrants[2] gives you a ball park estimate of 1,258,746 net additional lives. This is, however, an incomplete analysis. Contrary to what I generated (about .41%) the actual 2010 US growth rate was .97% (2,994,831) —a far cry from the 2.5 you labeled ‘merely’. Still, just under 3 million additional lives in a single year is not to be taken lightly. Extrapolating that rate annually gives us 311,740,369 for 2012; 320,900,292 for 2015; 336,768,831 for 2020; 353,422,072 for 2025; 370,898,816 for 2030; 389,239,786 for 2035; and breaking 400 million in 2038 with 400,676,888 (the US Census Bureau projects 439 million in 2050). That’s at the lowest birth rate in a century. Now when you start to factor in things I’ve already mentioned such as medicinal supplies, the relegation of labor to computerization, housing, sustenance, etc. with a country in economic decline and no signs of improving, this appears as hardly a ‘false flag’.

I’m curious about your contending that life stops reproducing when “it senses harmony in its life.” I can see where you may say this from an angle of ascetic spirituality (we are transcendent, our goal is nirvana and thus we are freed from all burdens of the flesh) but I’m not sure why you think this applies to man and further how this presupposes a ‘natural solution’ to the population issue (you have yet to substantiate your claim that it is merely a false flag, a simulacrum). This issue is compounded by the double articulation of love—its content (emotion) and expres​sion(sex)—wherein the physical expression is deterritorialized, becoming at once both an expression of love and reproduction. My point is that I find it difficult to enlist axiomatics for an inherently discursive, and more over, theoretical position. Because I am not an amoeba, I can’t say if it even has the ability to sense harmony, let alone whether the relative state of such determines my reproductive instinct.

Your addition to my statement that you quoted shows you completely misinterpreted—or vitiated through some application of conspiratorial implications—what I was contending. “So what really matters is evolution of the species, our (not your) specifically chosen design of future life” in no way factors into my point here, and indeed I may note a trend from the reason this thread was made in the first place (to discuss your arguably invective denouncement of a few sentences of mine—to which the applicability of at least two of your objections were predicated on the misinterpretation of my words—in a separate tread dedicated to the tangent topic). The point I was attempting to convey is of the discursive nature of value judgments on something as variable as the multiplicities of life. In other words, that there can be no axiomatic answer to the question “Is it inherently good to preserve a life?”—that every case is incommensurable, digressing for instance to instance, strata to strata—ergo discursive. I say alchemical because life is certainly that. In order for you to continue living, other entities experiencing the qualitative state of life must necessarily forfeit that state.

[1]I tolerate conspiracy theorists about as much as creationist Christians; they’re interesting to listen to for about five minutes but attempting extensive discourse is inadvisable. Point being, your implication of—in the US?—approval of full on eugenics being disseminated surreptitiously, subliminally by the Government just doesn’t coalesce with any trends in the juridico-social infrastructure, unless of course you’d care to provide convincing citations. Now I’m in no way declaring you to be a conspiracy theorist; I’m merely noting an afflux in your ideas.

[2] 1,042,625, Homeland Security, Office of Immigration Statistics: 2010 Yearbook of Immigration Statistics


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PostSubject: Definitions of life, population/s & health, conspiracies Definitions of life, population/s & health, conspiracies Icon_minitimeTue Feb 07, 2012 9:35 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
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I tolerate conspiracy theorists about as much as creationist Christians; they’re interesting to listen to for about five minutes but attempting extensive discourse is inadvisable.
Therein lies the issue. You have already prejudiced your perception. If you didn’t do that, you would have seen that in these presented “conspiracy theories”, the USA hasn’t been the focus at all, merely a point of origin for many aspects. The UK and Israel play a heavy part in that origination, but Iraq was the current center for the DU radiation problem. The GMO displacement of foods is world wide and significant in Europe. Neither can be stopped by political borders.

This issue was raised by Capable’s concern of a government healthcare system. Thus it only makes sense to see what a government views as “health”. Everything I have presented is strictly focused on that issue. I presented what health actually means in the sense of a harmony of a system, your life. I have now presented only a small portion of what governments around the world have already decided is “the proper state of health”. As Bill Gates recently announced, “science has shown us that it is immediately urgent that we substantially reduce the population” even though Science has absolutely no means for actually doing that.

If the population is to be immediately and substantially reduced, it only makes sense that we see by what means it would be reduced “for sake of health”. How can you justly ignore conspiracy theory? The truth is that no nation has ever risen without substantial conspiracy being its backbone. In light of the 800,000 agents of Homeland Security legally required to keep all activities secret, how can anyone be dubbed a “conspiracy theorist”? The conspiracy is not only legally required, but very well proven to exist, thus hardly a mere theory. But of course, in the eyes of the intolerant, such obvious facts are at best merely wild guesses because they (you) have no tolerance with which to examine the evidence.

So okay. You don’t want to see or hear anything but what you preach. How would this then constitute a “discussion”?

Do you want for me to just accept your statistic of which I am already aware and go along without counterpoint or objection? I am seriously not the guy for that. I am a solution seeker, a “trouble-shooter”, seeking resolution to even the most condemning of realities. I don’t look for existing dominations with whom I can join, but rather I look for unresolved problems that might have hope.

You are skeptical of conspiracy theories and should be to a degree. I am skeptical of same-ole-same-ole preachings of how all people should go along with this dominating, “lets surrender to our masters” thought.

Frankly, I would have no problem surrendering to those masters if I could find even one of them that seemed to actually understand even WHAT life is, not even hoping that they could comprehend how to manage it to the advantage of life instead of trying to dictate it. Life WILL NOT be dictated, else it is not life.

Life happens to have a rather unique properly, somewhat mystical in that it defies entropy and does so beyond anything else. It does not need to be dictated to by the small minds of men. It will, once cornered, remove those men and go its merry way with or without homosapian. At least Life knows what health means.

So go ahead, preach your speech. But stop asking questions if you don’t want the answers.

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PostSubject: Re: Definitions of life, population/s & health, conspiracies Definitions of life, population/s & health, conspiracies Icon_minitimeTue Feb 07, 2012 11:31 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Firstly, if we are to discuss something, please do me the favor of dropping the erroneous presumption on my intentions and your generally bellicose attitude. If you wish to quarrel, I want nothing to do with it. That said I will address each paragraph as a numerical point:

I) Who is it precisely that you are addressing? To my knowledge, I have yet to comment on depleted uranium.

II) DU ammunition is not a statement on various governments definition of health. It’s a statement of myopic/unethical wartime practices.

III) I said nothing of immediate reduction of the population. What I think are necessary are methods to reduce the rate of growth.

IV) I clearly state that I would like you to instantiate your points. My objection is not to another perspective but to one that is composed only of claims with no supporting evidence provided. I’m asking you to give me a reason to believe that what you’re saying is accurate. Is that wrong to ask of a discussion?

V) If you’re already aware of the Census Bureau’s statistics and you find that evidence inadmissible to the point of labeling the issue of population growth as a false flag, then I have no evidence to back my claims with and thus any point I make would be pure conjecture. Because I entertain some semblance of intellectual honesty, I’m not going to contend a point on something as paramount as this issue is on pure conjecture. I asked for solutions and you said “there’s no problem”.

VI) Again with the straw man—and I cringe to have to use that term. What exactly is “same-ole-same-ole” about what I am saying, and where am I talking of dominating? Sure, I’ve mentioned some possible methods that could be accurately construed as dominating, but I in know way extolled them; quite the contrary.

VII) I’m not sure where this “master” issue applies to what I’m talking about.

VIII) Please provide some sort of comprehensible exegesis here.

IX) Refer to the last sentence of section V.

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: - I am in te middle of the dark, and see the point of light - they are floating in the dark and see only mist. This is gravity, without which no spirit or lightness. And without them no gravity - what is escaping from the self except an invitation to the self?

How can we talk to ourselves, without making errors at the crucial moments? Belief is broken in knowledge. To see the picture in its source, to know the mind of the spectator, to radicalize desire into belief, faith, will towards - x. To steer away from the treacherous shallows into the stability of the wave, the tides, the rhythm of greatness. Poseidon is of all the Gods the greatest as he knows no bounds but his own boundlessness, he can create continents inside of him and be a threat to them, but he can not win their sympathy. Only those who seek to die through the limit of the animal selves into the vast expanse of the unexpected, so set sail, accumulate wind, expect - speculate - trust - that the unexpected is more substantial than the expected. Truth, awaited, received in bounty.

Science must submit to this science knowing that discovery is the apprehension of the not formerly apprehended - not therefore projected, expected. The scientist aims at the horizon, knowing that land will appear. He is also methodical in his perceptions and dynamic, polarizing in his conclusions. His aim is not to synthesize concepts but to make synthesis possible at a calculated instance of teleological tyranny. The image of the goal - the known goal - a deeply miserable prospect is all the dying science is driven towards – ever more absurd, ever deeper obvious, almost equal, gone. What remains is the scientist and his horizon.

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Assumed “We”, “know” “from” “void”
“what?” is not necessarily the question.


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Fixed Cross wrote:
Assumed “We”, “know” “from” “void”
“what?” is not necessarily the question.

Perhaps “why not?” is the question? Very Happy


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Fixed Cross wrote:
Assumed “We”, “know” “from” “void”
“what?” is not necessarily the question.
So, what can we know from ‘scratch’ assuming we know from ‘void’?
Is this the way your question would run?
Are you asking in terms of a tabula rasa and an empty space or emptiness?


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Fixed Cross wrote:
Assumed “We”, “know” “from” “void”
“what?” is not necessarily the question.

“From scratch” we would probably only have the briefest self-sense of the knowledge’s own faculties and methods of knowing; these methods interacting with “nothing” or next to nothing would revert to mere proprioceptive self-registry.

Then again this might be “intuition”.

And absent subjects into which methods of knowledge might flex and practice, these methods would not really have any knowledge of themselves, or anything else, even void, until they had build up a sufficient knowledge-base, by trial and error, against which the possibility of void, and consequently also of direct self-expression and encounter could be set, or at least inferenced.

So maybe:

  1. total ignorance, blindness, absence
  2. barest self-registry as self-sense, groping, feeling
  3. “light”, colorless, undifferentiated
  4. colorization of light, subtlization and differentiation based on crude formulae of division
  5. increasing subtlization, sufficient substantial juxtaposition and capacity to infer quality from the mere quantity of the self-sense as proprioceptive self-registry
  6. increasing knowledge and increasing self-encounter… eventually leading to equation of the one with the other

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What is the value of provocation, in the realm of theory, political discussion or engagement, rational argument, philosophy writing and publication, whatever?


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What is the value of provocation, in the realm of theory, political discussion or engagement, rational argument, philosophy writing and publication, whatever?

I wonder if the value would be the same, depending on the motive[s] of the provocateur?
Does the end ever justify the means? At first glance, I am never quite sure of that and my response is usually a ‘no’. Why?
Because I intuit that at times our ‘justifications’ are simply our perceptions, or our own desires to view things in a particular way and act on them, which may serve our own purposes but not necessarily that of the other person.
So ultimately, I feel that the value would depend, would have to depend ‘ethically speaking’, on the perception of the individual or entity being provoked; for example, as in hindsight, one coming to realize that the provocation produced/bore good fruit and growth to the person, despite what the intentions of the provocateur might have been. In other words, a curse becoming a blessing…or as I like to put it…making lemonade out of lemons.

So, some value in provocation might be in finding truth; creating reality out of illusion; giving the momentum and the courage to an otherwise fearful person, to stand up for him/her -self, thus learning self-value and worth; transformation out of chaos; opening up a mind which has been a steel trap to explore and discover new realms of thought; shedding light in a dark place; fighting the establishment and winning for the common good of all…

which all may come down to personal human evolution and enlightenment and perhaps the same for society…but not necessarily because of but in spite of the provocation or at least the motives for it.
But as with anything, provocation is a double-edged sword. It may be as fruitlessly destructive as it might be creatively fruitful.

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There are three basic types of people: the Tyrants, the Adventurers, and the Sheep.

Tyrants seek to establish what they decide they will get established.

Adventurers seek to react to situations, and have a taste for situations.

Sheep survive, and do so much better when they adopt pastors, or complicated industrialized systems of control.

And, as Nietzsche so kindly pointed out, there probably doesn’t exist a person that doesn’t have each to some degree.

Hell, they are probably evolutionary mechanisms of behavior that have different triggers, like who ends up in what position of a dog pack.
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There are three basic types of people: the Tyrants, the Adventurers, and the Sheep.

Tyrants seek to establish what they decide they will get established.

Adventurers seek to react to situations, and have a taste for situations.

Sheep survive, and do so much better when they adopt pastors, or complicated industrialized systems of control.

And, as Nietzsche so kindly pointed out, there probably doesn’t exist a person that doesn’t have each to some degree.

Hell, they are probably evolutionary mechanisms of behavior that have different triggers, like who ends up in what position of a dog pack.

Interesting breakdown. I like your middle distinction between sheep and tyrant, the “adventurer”: someone who wants to experience life, situations, occasions, new experiences, who finds themselves most in reacting to novelty. A type that does not desire power over others nor expressly desire escape from the powers of others over him or herself. To the adventurer, survival might not be as important as the quality of life lived, risky experiences are justified because they are adventurous, they bring thrill, novelty, new possibilities (unlike the sheep, for which risk and even novelty is a thing constantly to be avoided).

I have my own breakdown of “types of people…” that I tend to think of: that there are two types of people, those who see and directly know the power and reality of thought/consciousness, and those who do not. Those people who see thought, affect, indeed all internal subjective experience as substantially real and practically powerful in its own right, and those people who tend to not see this or who see thought/feeling/consciousness as less-than-totally-real, or subservient to an “actual reality” that is more materialist-physical. I would classify writers, poets, philosophers in the first category, and (most) scientists and most “average” people in the latter.


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There are three basic types of people: the Tyrants, the Adventurers, and the Sheep.

Tyrants seek to establish what they decide they will get established.

Adventurers seek to react to situations, and have a taste for situations.

Sheep survive, and do so much better when they adopt pastors, or complicated industrialized systems of control.

And, as Nietzsche so kindly pointed out, there probably doesn’t exist a person that doesn’t have each to some degree.

Hell, they are probably evolutionary mechanisms of behavior that have different triggers, like who ends up in what position of a dog pack.

Interesting breakdown. I like your middle distinction between sheep and tyrant, the “adventurer”: someone who wants to experience life, situations, occasions, new experiences, who finds themselves most in reacting to novelty. A type that does not desire power over others nor expressly desire escape from the powers of others over him or herself. To the adventurer, survival might not be as important as the quality of life lived, risky experiences are justified because they are adventurous, they bring thrill, novelty, new possibilities (unlike the sheep, for which risk and even novelty is a thing constantly to be avoided).

I have my own breakdown of “types of people…” that I tend to think of: that there are two types of people, those who see and directly know the power and reality of thought/consciousness, and those who do not. Those people who see thought, affect, indeed all internal subjective experience as substantially real and practically powerful in its own right, and those people who tend to not see this or who see thought/feeling/consciousness as less-than-totally-real, or subservient to an “actual reality” that is more materialist-physical. I would classify writers, poets, philosophers in the first category, and (most) scientists and most “average” people in the latter.

The adventurer may have any number of moral codes, so novelty of feeling is isn’t everything. There is a code to uphold, out of respect for the gods. The tyrant can also have any number of their own moral codes and, of course, sheep.

The “types” are descriptions of goals, wants, “wills.”
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There are three basic types of people: the Tyrants, the Adventurers, and the Sheep.

Tyrants seek to establish what they decide they will get established.

Adventurers seek to react to situations, and have a taste for situations.

Sheep survive, and do so much better when they adopt pastors, or complicated industrialized systems of control.

And, as Nietzsche so kindly pointed out, there probably doesn’t exist a person that doesn’t have each to some degree.

Hell, they are probably evolutionary mechanisms of behavior that have different triggers, like who ends up in what position of a dog pack.
What about the Individual him/her -self?
Do you see no human beings as individuals who listen to and follow their own calling - who march to an entirely different drummer than that of others? I would, in actuality, say that your above three - all react to situations.
The individual, on the other hand, chooses to create his own situations and thus responds accordingly…although I suppose one could say that the tyrant, the adventurer and the sheep also create their own situations but it is the motivation/intent which separates them from the individual. The tyrant seeks to gain power and control over others and to abuse; the adventurer seeks to defy and transcend death’s meaning by ‘diving’ into life (not such a negativething of course) and the sheep seeks to surrender his will and autonomy by creating a scenario in which he is helpless but also gains delusional strength by attaching himself to the herd.

The tyrant…the adventurer…and the sheep …is this where evolution has brought us to? Do you see any other categories of people?

And those ‘triggers’ themselves - these are what we need to always be consciously aware of. Our instincts are wonderful and work for us as tools when they are in harmony with our intelligence and rightful intentions.


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The tyrant can also have any number of their own moral codes and, of course, sheep.
Could the tyrant live by what can be considered a ‘moral’ code - doesn’t moral imply what is just and right? Or does he simply live by what satisfies his own needs/desires for power? Wouldn’t that, in itself, conflict with a sense of morality?

The sheep may or may not have their own moral code - but I would say that it is usually built into what is good for the herd - and according to its beliefs and that may or may not necessarily in itself be moral either. Am I wrong?


Each of our lives is a part of the lengthy process of the universe gradually waking up and becoming aware of itself.

Philosophy is the childhood of the intellect, and a culture that tries to skip it will never grow up."

“If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.”

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VaerosTanarg wrote:
Pezer wrote:
There are three basic types of people: the Tyrants, the Adventurers, and the Sheep.

Tyrants seek to establish what they decide they will get established.

Adventurers seek to react to situations, and have a taste for situations.

Sheep survive, and do so much better when they adopt pastors, or complicated industrialized systems of control.

And, as Nietzsche so kindly pointed out, there probably doesn’t exist a person that doesn’t have each to some degree.

Hell, they are probably evolutionary mechanisms of behavior that have different triggers, like who ends up in what position of a dog pack.
What about the Individual him/her -self?
Do you see no human beings as individuals who listen to and follow their own calling - who march to an entirely different drummer than that of others? I would, in actuality, say that your above three - all react to situations.
The individual, on the other hand, chooses to create his own situations and thus responds accordingly…although I suppose one could say that the tyrant, the adventurer and the sheep also create their own situations but it is the motivation/intent which separates them from the individual. The tyrant seeks to gain power and control over others and to abuse; the adventurer seeks to defy and transcend death’s meaning by ‘diving’ into life (not such a negativething of course) and the sheep seeks to surrender his will and autonomy by creating a scenario in which he is helpless but also gains delusional strength by attaching himself to the herd.

The tyrant…the adventurer…and the sheep …is this where evolution has brought us to? Do you see any other categories of people?

And those ‘triggers’ themselves - these are what we need to always be consciously aware of. Our instincts are wonderful and work for us as tools when they are in harmony with our intelligence and rightful intentions.

The person you are describing sounds like a mix between tyrant and adventurer, but tyrant at the core. It is a missunderstanding of these categories to think that a tyrant seeks to “abuse.” A tyrant seeks only to impose.
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The tyrant can also have any number of their own moral codes and, of course, sheep.
Could the tyrant live by what can be considered a ‘moral’ code - doesn’t moral imply what is just and right? Or does he simply live by what satisfies his own needs/desires for power? Wouldn’t that, in itself, conflict with a sense of morality?

The sheep may or may not have their own moral code - but I would say that it is usually built into what is good for the herd - and according to its beliefs and that may or may not necessarily in itself be moral either. Am I wrong?

Give me some time to answer these questions on morality, which is a very complex issue.
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I’ve been thinking about it and this is a good list. However, it is important to note that it is only a narrow slice of the unfathomable pie of human psychology.
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The person you are describing sounds like a mix between tyrant and adventurer, but tyrant at the core. It is a missunderstanding of these categories to think that a tyrant seeks to “abuse.” A tyrant seeks only to impose.
So…what I described the ‘individual’ as being was…

Do you see no human beings as individuals who listen to and follow their own calling - who march to an entirely different drummer than that of others? I would, in actuality, say that your above three - all react to situations.

The individual, on the other hand, chooses to create his own situations and thus responds accordingly

Well, I suppose that you do have a point there. Without other criteria, these words might ALSO describe a tyrant. A ‘real’ individual in my book though would ALSO live by a certain code of ethics in which to the best of his/her ability, no harm would be done to others. But one must put ‘ethical individual’ there.

But I don’t understand why you would think such an individual, without the word ‘ethical’ in there, would necessarily have to be a ‘tyrant to the core’. What do you base that on? Doesn’t the fact that the individual marches to an entirely different drummer than others presuppose that he is not a tyrant? Tyrants march to the same drummer as many others - they just march as the leader of the pack, the herd. Could a tyrant BE one without his mindless herd? A real individual needs no herd - a tyrant does…though a real individual, as a human being, obviously desires the company of others who live within the same spirit of life and meaning as he/she does. There is a difference between solidarity and the herd mentality.

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A tyrant seeks only to impose.
And you see nothing abusive about that? At the very least, it borders on abuse, at least in my book.

An individual, and an ethical one at that, senses and knows the value of free will and autonomy within self - and so chooses not to impose his/her will on others - simply seeks understanding and harmony with others - which is not an imposition - unless taken to another level and forced.

But I will agree with you on this point - it is within all of our capacity to become as a tyrant n particular moments or situations - if we are not careful and conscious of ourselves. It is not always an easy thing to allow, to live and to let live and to let go. But I think that unless we strive to live this way, we lose the freedom which we ourselves seek.


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Philosophy is the childhood of the intellect, and a culture that tries to skip it will never grow up."

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I’ve been thinking about it and this is a good list. However, it is important to note that it is only a narrow slice of the unfathomable pie of human psychology.
A narrow slice…more like a little corner of the most vast galaxy in the universe. But I agree with you, as human beings, we are unfathomable, and it is so important to discover, to come to know just what we are capable of - morally and immorally speaking that is. We are capable of being so corruptible and even the best of us; for instance, the missionary, the crusader, the teacher, the saint…to simply name a few …anyone, could become, by nature of his/her humanity and lack of understanding and self-exploration and transcendence, a tyrant.


Each of our lives is a part of the lengthy process of the universe gradually waking up and becoming aware of itself.

Philosophy is the childhood of the intellect, and a culture that tries to skip it will never grow up."

“If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.”

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You missunderstand my use of the word tyrant. I don’t mean it as a literal allusion to being a political tyrant of a country, I mean it as a psychological type.

An individual that makes his own rules and allways follows them is a tyrant because he is imposing his will on himself.

Not “to the core,” “at his core.”
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You missunderstand my use of the word tyrant. I don’t mean it as a literal allusion to being a political tyrant of a country, I mean it as a psychological type.

An individual that makes his own rules and allways follows them is a tyrant because he is imposing his will on himself.

Not “to the core,” “at his core.”
I understand what you’re saying now but I personally would not use the word ‘tyrant’ in this way. Aside from having a negative connotation, I don’t think it portrays the above individual in his ‘real’ light. But it might just be me.

An individual can live by a certain code and not digress from that code (perhaps except in extreme circumstances) but the only way he becomes a tyrant to self is if his self-imposing will causes him to become miserable because of it; deprives him of his joy and doesn’t allow for change ever. What comes to mind here is one who has an over-the-top extreme sense of duty. I may be wrong, but I sense that this person is a bit of a masochist…and one’s own enemy. And truth to tell, I think that one who is so hard on himself will ultimately be hard on others. As we treat ourselves, we treat others - and vica versa. Smile I learned that somewhere along the way. And then that tyranny is not simply self-imposed.


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Philosophy is the childhood of the intellect, and a culture that tries to skip it will never grow up."

“If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.”

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The 3 kinds of people are actually just those who can count and those who can’t.
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The 3 kinds of people are actually just those who can count and those who can’t.

Nono there’s ten, those who understand binary and those who don’t.
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Nono… it is “those who count and those who don’t”
…it’s a socialist thing. Twisted Evil
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You forgot the fourth kind of person. The Solitary. He doesn’t seek to impose his laws on others, nor does he respect the laws of others. Why try to make slaves out of beasts that cannot perform the tasks you would want performed, that cannot live up to your standard? He doesn’t seek out new experiences or dangers either, and cares not for adventure. He doesn’t like the herd, so he avoids it. Mostly just because he doesn’t like their stink, and also because he simply enjoys being with himself more than he enjoys being with others. Unlike Nietzsche’s Zarathustra, he never goes down from his mountain. Why? People come up to him, of their own accord. And he graciously offers to them some of his riches, simply because it amuses him that someone would actually make it to him and be able to scale the mountain by themselves.


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You forgot the fourth kind of person. The Solitary. He doesn’t seek to impose his laws on others, nor does he respect the laws of others. Why try to make slaves out of beasts that cannot perform the tasks you would want performed, that cannot live up to your standard? He doesn’t seek out new experiences or dangers either, and cares not for adventure. He doesn’t like the herd, so he avoids it. Mostly just because he doesn’t like their stink, and also because he simply enjoys being with himself more than he enjoys being with others. Unlike Nietzsche’s Zarathustra, he never goes down from his mountain. Why? People come up to him, of their own accord. And he graciously offers to them some of his riches, simply because it amuses him that someone would actually make it to him and be able to scale the mountain by themselves.

It is almost as if here is described wisdom itself.
But what does such a solitary do if he is, like Zarathustra became after a long solitude, overfull?


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Ferment, like all over-ripened fruit.


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If he needs the consolation, if he suffers from over-ripeness and excess vitality, he can always take consolation in the thought of the eternal.

" One of the greatest antidotes to the scruples and the sufferings of conscience is the thought of things of eternal significance, or what we call “wisdom.” Indeed, if human wisdom requires its sanction on the earth, as all other things do, I would have to find it in the fact that it is perhaps the sweetest drop of ambrosia yet to be squeezed from the poppy bud of mortal esperance, and constitutes that profound sleep of heart and soul which every promising case of genius requires if it is not to perish of its doubts, skepticism, and indecisiveness. Should a philosopher then presume to bear the truth? Not in the sense that he should aim to speak the truth for the truth’s sake. He should aim only to entreat such promising cases to the picture of what is, was, and must be, to the image of the eternal and of truth, for they will need such an image in which to repose from the contests and the avarice of the perishing and of chance, as well as from the promises of their own nature, which are heavy pains upon their conscience." – Hamartia

" Let us bear our witness to man, who is in death given but a loam of dirt to mark his grave which, even if this loam of dirt be the whole earth, makes little difference; man, whose seminal were by Adam communicated but to the grave, from which his sad progeny only can be reckoned. Death’s the rounded vault and bright company the course of life does trace, that solitude and lone star attenuate. It is the living but are the exiled, bereft and deserted, and death the great repatriation; old sheol were our only promised land. Let us look at what a frail and trembling, naked, creature he is, or this human will, this so strange a thing, which for us aims to resolution of all the quandaried aspect of our passion. There is little sympathy between our passions and our acts; man’s passions are too powerful to be translated into his actions, and man’s actions, alas, too powerful to be comprehended by the heart. Love forever dawns, and it no morning knows; in the barren womb of thoughts, our passions die before they’re ever born, quenched in the very fire that gave them life.

All mark themselves with their own flame, and the sign of Cain were properly in our own hand, for all that we began in tentative advances ends up a confession, and all confession quickly runs to thoughtless repetition. The image of man is offered by the philosophers and saints as the image of all the universe’s struggle, and yet it is but a splintered icon of the mute striving that can be read in living creation, and so blear and ruined an image! Yet, we must admit, of the infinite still high emblem, and immortality. One ruined fragment does repose in our glad youth, to which the knowledge of love belongs, and but one more conferred to the heart aged and pensive, which discovers reverence and pious worship. Yet, when we these thus repair, we find the one’s truth proves the other’s falsity, one’s sickly vice the other’s justice. Man is not the measure of all things, and man is not even the measure of man. In the clement modesty of the nightingale at song of which Ovid, Keats, Ruth, and so many others told, I find a still better compass of the world; that strain without answer or chorus, and well-instanced requiem for each starveling era, stanchless of its heroes and romances, but forever sated with his lonesome call." – Till Hope Creates.


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As being the only species that tells stories. No, there are stories in the birdsong, the collective harmony is no doubt a narration of their physiological memory. In this sense we are one large flock, and our coherence is chanted through the fibers, as I watch Walter White arrive at the old Indian’s house and know that all people who know this guy are affected by the same event that just transpired. Cinema is not dead, it has just shifted shape. Stories have gotten bigger - to the archlength of Homeric episodes. But the Gods are made invisible. So that they can be revealed only in acts.
This is good. A beginning of an epistemic space where coherent ethics no longer serves to captivate. Character study necessarily requires this psychoanalytical unraveling, of a man, a city, a football team, a crime outfit, an advertising agency or an undertaker family, so really, a film is never a truly comprehensive epistle.

All films were trailers.

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So what is film? It is not the unraveling or making of a life, because it only captures a few phases in the life of the people involved. It does not suffer climax after climax after climax to end up in a place where no one had expected anything to ever go. What can it do best? This is clear suddenly: the unreal, the “ray pattern”, the trip, that which does not expose itself in every direction but is itself a direction. Film points somewhere. The Sopranos does not point to anything at all. It’s in the end self-contained, clear enough from the beginning, but clearer in the end. It was not even necessary to film an ending.

It is fitting that the road out of nihilism (which as far as American pop culture was concerned started in 1977, as Star Wars changed the market of the erotic imagination from the death drive to a moral glorification of the Universe and its cosmic child, man, “Skywalker”; Zeus-progeny) is such a very apparent deception - a projection that is seen to fate in and out - means of “deception” (creation of an emotional value where there is no practical ground to attain it yet), the justified means of life affirming politics.

It arose out of the most favorable conditions man had known since ancient Greece - Coastal wine country in the richest nation in human history.


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The next step in this process is to affirm the Earth in a practical sense. This means not simply dwelling and thinking, but also fighting and scheming, suffering and corrupting. The new series are a getting into the grit of sociology, man is coming to learn of himself in ways that had (or so writers of shows I admire say) been unthinkable before this kill.

It’s in a sense the reversal of the moral code set in by Star Wars. From the optimism of the straight line to the cynicism of the full circle, a ground of tragedy where “great style” is possible.

I’m sure there have been some moments of what Nietzsche meant by this term by now. The only road out of nihilism is by positing the future as a forbidden realm, visible and attainable.

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I hate that if I look out the window, I see about two hundred other windows.
I hate that I feel like drawing the curtains when it’s dark, because my desk faces outside.
I want my desk to face hillsides, an ocean, a valley, or Central Park -

This city is so tiny. Most cities are so tiny.

The best view I’ve ever had was on the 33rd floor of a Lower Manhattan apartment facing south.
The second best view was from a bedroom I once had, a balcony window from a villa on a slight hill in Tuscany.

I’m thinking what else. Mostly crammed-in city. I don’t even want to think about how much this has influenced my attitude.

No, wait - my child room - it was in a street facing the other side of that street, but it was on top of the house, above the houses opposite. But I always had my curtain drawn! The sun came in too brightly, I could not watch tv, play my nintendo, later edit my movies.

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I just finished the first season. This is disturbing to me, more so even than the black mirror episode I saw, the one with the pig. This creeps up on you. Modernity in its violent complexities.

I had no idea Claire Danes was such an awesome actress. I liked her in Romeo & Juliet, but hadn’t heard from her since. This is the most interesting female performance I’ve seen in any of these HBO type series and the male lead gives a true portrait of religion.

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In Spanish, we call the kind of love that leads to romance being inloved. This much more practical for being precice term tells us right away that we are trapping ourselves.

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I woke up this morning.

I think eating too much meat is not something man has evolved to do effectively…and consuming too much animal product leads to disease because our digestive systems evolved in more austere environments.

But then again, I just might be a closet carnivore who hates meat-eaters because they intimidate me.
I eat my meat in secret, and I hate myself because of this secret passion of mine.


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A bitch I hooked up with last night is coming over to cook and clean for me.
I promised her a bit of crack.

Yeaup…I’m a ladies man, and you wish you were I.


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I’m a philosopher.
I know Game Theory, Existentialism, Ontology, Metaphysics, Stoicism, Perspectivism, and many other words associated with academic philosophizing.

I dare you to prove I am not a philosopher.
I don’t read books, but I’ve heard the words.

And the ladies luv me.


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Really, I assure you, no one gives a fuck.


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Really, I assure you, no one gives a fuck.
How dare you sir.
Why so jealous, homey?


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I took a nap…got up, emptied a bottle of Metaxa and had a burger.


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Did you ever make wine?


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I woke up this morning as well. How interesting is that.
There was a whole month where there were only mornings I went to sleep.


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Did you ever make wine?
Are you joking…I’m drunk, or high, half the time. I post on these forums only when I’m pissed…'cause I’m cool, and modern, and…happy.
I drink to deal with my latent homosexuality…it helps me endure the penis up my rectum which I…luuuuuv, by the way.

THIS is philosophy, my friend…this is what your kind has made of it.
THIS is who YOU are.

When speaking on a subject you are made uncomfortable, go for the personal, sexual, insinuation…like a good little whore.
I’ve seen it happen a hundred times…in a dozen different, so called, “philosophy” forums, populated with simpletons with large vocabularies, good intentions, and tiny little cowardly minds.

You should be ashamed but I’m not holding my breathe…so why should I not toy with you, as I’ve done with others on your level in the past?
It usually gets me banned.
They must protect the weak…who instigate what they cannot deal with…underestimating their adversary…just, like, you, did.
Or haven’t you heard of Satyr, turd?
Abusing me, you see, you stupid turd, like you did with your little comment, is acceptable, making snide little insinuating personal comments is acceptable…but if I reciprocate, I’m the one who is compensating, or ill, or aggressive, a bully no less.

See, I have to tolerate imbeciles, like you…not because you have something interesting to contribute to my awareness, but just because you were born, you are of the human species, you speak English, and you have an opinion.
Isn’t respect, and love, deserved?

I hope that one morning you REALLY wake up.
That you use a Hellenic symbol as your avatar is embarrassing.

Are you or are you not going to suck my cock, you bitch?!
Because you exposed yourself as just another bitch…and I’m going to treat you exactly like you want me to.
Tell me about Greek man-boy love and how you want to taste that forbidden fruit…because there’s nothing wrong with it - just another life choice.

Choose well.
Play with me boy…tell me I’m a homophobe.
Be creative.


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I did underestimate your ambition to assert yourself. I always overestimate your ability to say anything.
Of course you want to get banned, that’s the only form of acknowledgement you know.


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See how easy it it to understand me?

Only four words to remember:
Sexist…Racist…Homophobe and …afraid.

Ambition?
You asked for it…I deliver.
Nobody loves me…I get no attention…you’ve gor me pegged, turd.

This is the only “philosophy” I can expect from minds like yours.
I squeeze what I can get from a rock.

Please…do go on.


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“Sexist…Racist…Homophobe and …afraid.”

Not noticed any of the first three - just a bit of self-loathing.
Afraid? Of what?
You have nothing to lose.


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I’m still not entirely convinced he isn’t some sort of bot.


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Well he is, but a human one. He’s as neurotic as to be virtually electronic though.


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Hm… yes.

I recommend not wasting any further time on a merely broken machine.


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…at least until that machine demonstrates some signs of sentience or intelligence.


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Must one not first hate oneself, in order to love oneself? …
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My daddy was a machine…my mother flesh and blood.
I’m a hybrid…and that is why I hate myself.
I knew hate was in there somewhere.

It miraculously always comes up when speaking with simpletons like Fixed.
It was part of me being in the closet.

Oh well.


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That was a bit disappointing. More predictable than I wished to predict.


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I banned him and Lyssa, they’re the same. I had hoped for at least a little bit of substance to go with the enthusiasm.
In any case I consider my social experiment at ILP to be successful - in the face of Satyrs lies I feel I have to assert this again. I am sure that he did come here on account of my crack-talk to Smears.


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Bitches be installing cabinets… shit. I find this a befitting name for the author of a “what are you doing” thread. We can delete what’s obscene (as I deleted his photo and changed his name) but I’d like to keep the thread as a reminder of this experiment with Smears.

Seriously, I make a couple of threads about Smears and crack, then this guy comes posting about crack in a copy of the Smears thread in which I put part of that satire. Playing the goat and stirring the sheep, this is what happens. I don’t think God was playing dice here.


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I’ve been drinking coca cola during this charade and there’s no clarity in my mind yet about whether there’s any value at all in keeping this little piece of theatre on the forum and certainly not whether or not Mr. Oikos is a good name. I do like “Modern Greek”, the what are you doing thread, and the fact that there are certain power struggles between forums and combined points of reference - like for example, the KT hierarchy structure is copied from Sauwelios old Nietzsche forum. He got banned, of course, but saw the merit.

“Bless Satyr” would be an obscenity, but to at least affirm his existence as part of the eternally recurring world in which all this philosophizing drama unfolds is possible.

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Christ you guys are pussies.

One day of KTS and you ban 2 of the Prytanes. Plus you were so sore you needed to expend some of that frustration by some superficial vandalism of Satyr’s profile.

Have you got nothing else, you dickless faggots? No arguments, no rebuttals, no comebacks? Only banishment?

Same turds floatin around, different toiletbowl.

Very disappointed, fellas. I was expecting more… Before The Flight.
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Ehm… you’re disappointed?


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Capable - you’re right, a straightforward purge is more sanitary.


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Yes.

But I’m perhaps naive to have expected more from apaosha, at least.

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The horoscope of the site suggests such a duality – a Mars-Pluto conjunction, which suggests much the force and ‘illegality’ which Gobbo is protesting, as well as the reality of the will to power which I am forever investigating – is tied to a conjunction of Saturn and Venus, which immediately evokes the idea of the suppression of values and valuing capacity. Perhaps more accurately it restricts the valuing capacity to the purely Saturnian, austere, ‘bitter’.

Perhaps what must become evident first on that platform is its nihilism. Capables post on Kitaro can not even be properly read there as it could be here. The question is whether this clinical environment can be used to some kind of advantage. At this point no one wants to come within a hundred yards of the site – it is quarantined.

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would atheists happen to be governed by saturn and venus or the opposite?


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I don’t know if that’s a question that can be answered, but religion is tied to Jupiter and Neptune, and both these planets make harmonic aspects with the Venus/Saturn block… so for the sake of argument I’d say the atheist is more tied to the Pluto/Mars block. Or rather, less to the Venus/Saturn one.


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well i tripped balls last night… and part of that trip was seeing that it happens to be atheists that are in control of the powers that be at the moment… as such it would make since to me that after such a realization would come a sign that there will be a growth of the opposite… alien


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There will certainly be a growth of religious feelings the coming decade if I look at Neptune. But this also means an increased susceptibility, a tendency to believe stories if they sound good, if they make one feel exalted.

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So, I was having a walk in the warm Caracas thunderstorm, having a bit of a religious epiphany, feeling in awe of Zeus and feeling as one with my Nordic brothers plus all babilonians, when I asked myself: how did the native americans worship the rain?

This came to me:

In the case of the indians in Jungle regions of what is now Venezuela, whether near the coast or in the amazon, the answer was:

We be chillin, getting high all day in this crazy mother of a jungle.

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The Earth is good.

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Verily, I have stood my ground always,
To the meek and the lovers of order!
Without a single shard of disrespect,
Or injury from my person emanating.

From infancy I have been loved by men,
When at the hight of their honor and,
Exploratory bravery they feel and see.
Never has a man in me seen ordinance.

My enemies strong have always been!
And jelous, adding only to their strength.
In the end I have always been pardoned,
Out of fear as much as unadmitted respect!

Wise old men have always wanted me,
For a son and their only one apprentice.
In my betrayal they have ne’er felt chagrin!
But pained love and honest endearment.

I have received from lovers admiration,
And interest, and friendship as well.
From fighters always nothing less than,
Loyalty! And brotherly sweat and self-joy.

From the brave I have been offered warlord-
Ship. The wanderers offer to settle for war…
Always in me they sense a vast horizon and hope!
Which is decidedly secondary to my animal sense.

The wise… Ah, the wise! The wise have noticed me,
And respected the arts of my own wisdom as true.
Never a bellicose thought toward me from them,
As wise men’s only interest is the food I bring.

In my own lands I have been seen as a stranger,
Though to the heart closer than a patriot seems…
In foreign lands I have always been beheld with,
A bewildering familiarity and brotherhood unkown.

And so, not wanderer, or soldier, or leader or show,
Not commander of many or hermit or snow,
Not wise or skilled or great or slow,
Not big or small or faint of glow,

I am that I motherfucking am!
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We fight only against what we fear.
The fearless man is the peaceful man.

Suffering is the path of fulfilling desire.
Nirvana is not absence of suffering,
but having less desires.

The Buddha is a soul at the old stage
experienced enough to know what is worth desiring.

Satisfied with less
by seeing more.
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Abstract wrote:
We fight only against what we fear.
The fearless man is the peaceful man.

Suffering is the path of fulfilling desire.
Nirvana is not absence of suffering,
but having less desires.

The Buddha is a soul at the old stage
experienced enough to know what is worth desiring.

Satisfied with less
by seeing more.
Is seeing something, for instance, as harmful, and fighting against that, the same as being fearful? Is awareness the same as fearfulness? Is having the ability to see into the future by being aware of the present and acting on that - is that the same as being fearful - albeit fear can be a tool for survival.

The fearless man may also be the unaware man or the fool. Just saying.
Does the ‘peaceful’ man give up his survival instinct?

Suffering may also be the path or the fire by which we burn away our ‘empty’ and genuinely meaningless desires.
I thought nirvana was more an experience of wonderful and complete emptiness…a ‘being there’ sort of place.
But is more seen - or is ‘enough’ seen? But I understand what you mean by more - ‘complete’ is a far better word to me.


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VaerosTanarg wrote:
Abstract wrote:
We fight only against what we fear.
The fearless man is the peaceful man.

Suffering is the path of fulfilling desire.
Nirvana is not absence of suffering,
but having less desires.

The Buddha is a soul at the old stage
experienced enough to know what is worth desiring.

Satisfied with less
by seeing more.
Is seeing something, for instance, as harmful, and fighting against that, the same as being fearful? Is awareness the same as fearfulness? Is having the ability to see into the future by being aware of the present and acting on that - is that the same as being fearful - albeit fear can be a tool for survival.
hear I am thinking of fear as being regardless of anxiety, and thus mostly concern of the future. So awareness is not fearfulness, being aware of the future in a manner that leads to the desire of action for prevention…perhaps… Perhaps being fulfilled by the now one does not need so much of a future, and need not worry about it. The more people the more concerned for the future the more people taking action to change it and the more of that there is the harder it is to change it and the more suffering must be paid for what change of it is desired.

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The fearless man may also be the unaware man or the fool. Just saying.
Does the ‘peaceful’ man give up his survival instinct?
If a person can be fulfilled in a moment now what need is there of survival into a future?

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Suffering may also be the path or the fire by which we burn away our ‘empty’ and genuinely meaningless desires.
Absence of suffering comes only after one has suffered. Suffering is required. It is balance that should be sought.

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I thought nirvana was more an experience of wonderful and complete emptiness…a ‘being there’ sort of place.
But is more seen - or is ‘enough’ seen? But I understand what you mean by more - ‘complete’ is a far better word to me.

Seeing more of the infinite things in each single thing. be that thing physical or an idea.
Complete emptiness is as complete absence wherein there is absence of absence and thus presence…
Nothing is “complete” it is by limitation that anything “is”.

Nirvana is emptiness of the Right things
It is balance… Perhaps of what is called the Middle Path…
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Is seeing something, for instance, as harmful, and fighting against that, the same as being fearful? Is awareness the same as fearfulness? Is having the ability to see into the future by being aware of the present and acting on that - is that the same as being fearful - albeit fear can be a tool for survival.

hear I am thinking of fear as being regardless of anxiety, and thus mostly concern of the future.

So awareness is not fearfulness, being aware of the future in a manner that leads to the desire of action for prevention…perhaps… Perhaps being fulfilled by the now one does not need so much of a future, and need not worry about it.

So perhaps you are thinking of fear in terms of an unproductive focusing on the future. But one may live in and feel fulfilled by the present moment and at the same time, have the awareness of knowing that one must ALSO plan for the future. There are those who live only in the future and miss the present and there are also those who live ONLY for the moment and see no future.

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The more people the more concerned for the future the more people taking action to change it and the more of that there is the harder it is to change it and the more suffering must be paid for what change of it is desired.
Can you please explain what you mean by this a bit more.

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The fearless man may also be the unaware man or the fool. Just saying.
Does the ‘peaceful’ man give up his survival instinct?

If a person can be fulfilled in a moment now what need is there of survival into a future?
I think that I may intuit what you’re saying here. When we are fully living and flowing in the present moment, there is no thought of a future or a past either. Time stands still or even disappears. There is only the core self. Unless I am misunderstanding your meaning.

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Suffering may also be the path or the fire by which we burn away our ‘empty’ and genuinely meaningless desires.

Absence of suffering comes only after one has suffered. Suffering is required. It is balance that should be sought.
Yes, I am with you on this. Suffering is a process that one must go through if one is to come out “on the other side” so to speak and it does require balance. But at the same time, it requires that nothing be forced nor sacrificed but only experienced in the moment.

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I thought nirvana was more an experience of wonderful and complete emptiness…a ‘being there’ sort of place.
But is more seen - or is ‘enough’ seen? But I understand what you mean by more - ‘complete’ is a far better word to me.

Seeing more of the infinite things in each single thing. be that thing physical or an idea.

As Blake said: “To see the world in a grain of sand, and a heaven in a wildflower, is to hold infinity in the palm of your hand and eternity in an hour.”
Now that is living in the ‘complete’ moment - having an experience “come to us” like that.

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Complete emptiness is as complete absence wherein there is absence of absence and thus presence…
That’s sort of difficult to wrap my mind around. But basically, I think what you are saying here is that there can never be complete emptiness. Can you explain why?

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Nothing is “complete” it is by limitation that anything “is”.
I have many moments when I am feeling ‘complete’…no thought of any limitation…when time stands still and there is just the being there…perhaps there is not even that.

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Nirvana is emptiness of the Right things
It is balance… Perhaps of what is called the Middle Path…
nir•va•na (nîr-vä n , n r-)
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  1. often Nirvana
    a. Buddhism The ineffable ultimate in which one has attained disinterested wisdom and compassion.
    b. Hinduism Emancipation from ignorance and the extinction of all attachment.
  2. An ideal condition of rest, harmony, stability, or joy.

According to this definition, I wouldn’t so much think of nirvana in terms of the Middle Path as I would of ‘being there’ or 'having arrived" as I stated above or “heaven”.

I think that the middle path is a state or a process of remaining balanced. But maybe I am not understanding it for what it is. Perhaps when one actually walks the middle path, there is no effort to remain balanced.

Thank you, Abstract.


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Is seeing something, for instance, as harmful, and fighting against that, the same as being fearful? Is awareness the same as fearfulness? Is having the ability to see into the future by being aware of the present and acting on that - is that the same as being fearful - albeit fear can be a tool for survival.

hear I am thinking of fear as being regardless of anxiety, and thus mostly concern of the future.

So awareness is not fearfulness, being aware of the future in a manner that leads to the desire of action for prevention…perhaps… Perhaps being fulfilled by the now one does not need so much of a future, and need not worry about it.

So perhaps you are thinking of fear in terms of an unproductive focusing on the future. But one may live in and feel fulfilled by the present moment and at the same time, have the awareness of knowing that one must ALSO plan for the future. There are those who live only in the future and miss the present and there are also those who live ONLY for the moment and see no future.
yes i would think that some non-nowness is necessary less what you are in is not really a moment anyways…a moment should be a line… to be completely in the now would be like being a point on the time line… which in itself (a true monad) has no value…
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The more people the more concerned for the future the more people taking action to change it and the more of that there is the harder it is to change it and the more suffering must be paid for what change of it is desired.
Can you please explain what you mean by this a bit more.
If you have 2 people concerned for the future and taking action then only so much change is occurring and thus for your action and predicting you only need to take into account those two people… but the more people doing this the more must be taken into account and thus the more chaotic it all becomes; the ability to predict the future in any reasonable manner (which is much of what consciousness is) is reduced the more action there is being taken to change the future…perhaps…

(which makes me wonder if the ability to be conscious of a species is reduced the larger it gets with more things trying to change the future…)

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The fearless man may also be the unaware man or the fool. Just saying.
Does the ‘peaceful’ man give up his survival instinct?

If a person can be fulfilled in a moment now what need is there of survival into a future?
I think that I may intuit what you’re saying here. When we are fully living and flowing in the present moment, there is no thought of a future or a past either. Time stands still or even disappears. There is only the core self. Unless I am misunderstanding your meaning.
Plausibly… but who knows… I would think fear that such is not the case, is preventative of achieving that…

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Suffering may also be the path or the fire by which we burn away our ‘empty’ and genuinely meaningless desires.

Absence of suffering comes only after one has suffered. Suffering is required. It is balance that should be sought.
Yes, I am with you on this. Suffering is a process that one must go through if one is to come out “on the other side” so to speak and it does require balance. But at the same time, it requires that nothing be forced nor sacrificed but only experienced in the moment.
yes, One should come to where they should be when they are ready… There is no need to seek Nirvana as some Buddhist writings suggest, rather it will come when it comes…

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I thought nirvana was more an experience of wonderful and complete emptiness…a ‘being there’ sort of place.
But is more seen - or is ‘enough’ seen? But I understand what you mean by more - ‘complete’ is a far better word to me.

Seeing more of the infinite things in each single thing. be that thing physical or an idea.

As Blake said: “To see the world in a grain of sand, and a heaven in a wildflower, is to hold infinity in the palm of your hand and eternity in an hour.”
Now that is living in the ‘complete’ moment - having an experience “come to us” like that.
perhaps all that is needed is to realize that given that we live in an infinite universe any one thing is a compounding, a product, of the infinite… and any product of infinity (math) is itself infinite.

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Complete emptiness is as complete absence wherein there is absence of absence and thus presence…

That’s sort of difficult to wrap my mind around. But basically, I think what you are saying here is that there can never be complete emptiness. Can you explain why?

if everything is absent then so is the very absence of things…

Given complete emptiness then everything is empty of even emptiness…

The complete emptiness has no ‘thingness’ such as to be present anywhere, non-existence cannot exist by its very nature, thus existence is all there can be…

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Nothing is “complete” it is by limitation that anything “is”.

I have many moments when I am feeling ‘complete’…no thought of any limitation…when time stands still and there is just the being there…perhaps there is not even that.

The incompleteness of things is the complete nature of things… imperfection is perfection.

In other words limitation is the perfection. Yet we are so limited as to not truly-know anything including what our limitations are and as such it is best not to assume you are limited from doing anything.

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nir•va•na (nîr-vä n , n r-)
n.

  1. often Nirvana
    a. Buddhism The ineffable ultimate in which one has attained disinterested wisdom and compassion.
    b. Hinduism Emancipation from ignorance and the extinction of all attachment.
  2. An ideal condition of rest, harmony, stability, or joy.

According to this definition, I wouldn’t so much think of nirvana in terms of the Middle Path as I would of ‘being there’ or 'having arrived" as I stated above or “heaven”.

I think that the middle path is a state or a process of remaining balanced. But maybe I am not understanding it for what it is. Perhaps when one actually walks the middle path, there is no effort to remain balanced.
Perhaps, if nirvana is a goal, then the middle path is a means to that goal. But not an achievement left behind when the goal is attained, but rather a state maintained.


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Our fallen friend had a lot of wisdom when it came to the nature of fear and desire. His notion here, of the fearful as the fearsome, is sound on a primal level that reminds of what Parodites described somewhere as the origins of humanity as a form of resisting and arresting all the new possibilities in violences such as cannimalism and (self) mutilation. This fearsomeness of mind itself is the reason why humans become fearsome. Violence is the first negotiating term of man with his mind.


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If nirvana is buhdda in his old age, then chaos is what we seek if we aspire to it. If fearlessness is what waits at the end of the road, to respect that wisdom one must seek fear everywhere. Thus, when we reach our own old age, we plan to overcome Buhdda.

The power that Abstract found in Buhdda was great, he was fearsome. His writings are still full of fear.

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May not be the best place for this… (I have the answer…at least that I would give…)

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May not be the best place for this… (I have the answer…at least that I would give…)

How does one win the unwinable?

By desiring to lose.


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Or by simply not striving to win or lose.
Why pursue what you perceive as a loss?

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Often we discover and learn far more through losing than winning, especially about ourselves.


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Or by simply not striving to win or lose.
Why pursue what you perceive as a loss?

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yes that works too it would seem


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Or by simply not striving to win or lose.
Why pursue what you perceive as a loss?

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Actually maybe not… because if you do not desire to lose then you have won nothing … the question is how do you win the unwinable… not how can you avoid losing the unwinable… but with reagards to the concept that is fair enough… one need simply to not care, ultimately…


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Thomas Merton, the christian mystic has a nice translation of the Taoist Sage Chuang Tzu talking about the topic at hand… Chuang tzu had the right idea I believe :

When an archer is shooting for nothing
He has all his skill.
If he shoots for a brass buckle
He is already nervous.
If he shoots for a prize of gold
He goes blind
Or sees two targets-
He is out of his mind!

His skill has not changed. But the prize
Divides him. He cares.
He thinks more of winning
Than of shooting -
And the need to win
Drains him of power.

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Than of shooting -
Yes! Those who excel simply do not care so much if they win or lose as much as they care to so what they do well.

A prize, acclaim, may be the result, but it is strictly a contingency. This is also the reason perhaps why often, real artists are made uncertain by acclaim, are distracted from their true skill, seek after success disgrace so they can ‘hate’ the world as they did before, when they were unknown and had only their art.


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May not be the best place for this… (I have the answer…at least that I would give…)

How does one win the unwinable?

By desiring to lose.
Your answer to that question ALSO sounds like buddhist or daoist thinking to me. Rolling Eyes
And what would be the reason for desiring to lose in the first place?
Practically speaking, if one desires to lose, its best to leave something alone, no? Or to think out the situation, question why one does feel that way - is the desire to lose based on wisdom or fear or insecurity? And then to take that and to question it further and further and further…
To begin by automatically assuming that what is ‘unwinnable’ is, in actuality, unwinnable, is a defeatist attitude.

The only answer I would give to your question - “how does one win the unwinnable” and of course, there are legions of answers, but the first one that comes to me is simply to begin by changing one’s belief, perception and thinking - by ‘seeing’ that there is always the possibility of ‘winning’ and acting on that, until one has exhausted all avenues through action and within their own mind, and comes to the conclusion that it is ‘unwinnable’ - even though in fact it still may not be…or wins.

The mind is a mirror of the will or a lack of it. Transcend your mind and your will will rise with it.


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May not be the best place for this… (I have the answer…at least that I would give…)

How does one win the unwinable?

By desiring to lose.
Your answer to that question ALSO sounds like buddhist or daoist thinking to me. Rolling Eyes
And what would be the reason for desiring to lose in the first place?
Practically speaking, if one desires to lose, its best to leave something alone, no? Or to think out the situation, question why one does feel that way - is the desire to lose based on wisdom or fear or insecurity? And then to take that and to question it further and further and further…
To begin by automatically assuming that what is ‘unwinnable’ is, in actuality, unwinnable, is a defeatist attitude.

The only answer I would give to your question - “how does one win the unwinnable” and of course, there are legions of answers, but the first one that comes to me is simply to begin by changing one’s belief, perception and thinking - by ‘seeing’ that there is always the possibility of ‘winning’ and acting on that, until one has exhausted all avenues through action and within their own mind, and comes to the conclusion that it is ‘unwinnable’ - even though in fact it still may not be…or wins.

The mind is a mirror of the will or a lack of it. Transcend your mind and your will will rise with it.
Yes I think that is basically the point… to change the self to overcome the situation… nothing is unwinable, even what seems such can be overcome by the state of mind…


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May not be the best place for this… (I have the answer…at least that I would give…)

How does one win the unwinable?

By desiring to lose.
Is it even logical to suppose that we can even desire to lose something which is 'unwinable". Wouldn’t that be like grasping thin air?
For me, at least in this moment, the answer is by desiring ‘nothing’ either way. If we are ‘desiring nothing’ we are in total detachment.

There are many answers to many things…some more valid than others…depending on one’s own perception. I may change mine yet again.


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Is it even logical to suppose that we can even desire to lose something which is 'unwinable". Wouldn’t that be like grasping thin air?
For me, at least in this moment, the answer is by desiring ‘nothing’ either way. If we are ‘desiring nothing’ we are in total detachment.

There are many answers to many things…some more valid than others…depending on one’s own perception. I may change mine yet again.
I think i agree with you it seems more reasonable to desire nothing then to desire to lose.


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Is it even logical to suppose that we can even desire to lose something which is 'unwinable". Wouldn’t that be like grasping thin air?
For me, at least in this moment, the answer is by desiring ‘nothing’ either way. If we are ‘desiring nothing’ we are in total detachment.

There are many answers to many things…some more valid than others…depending on one’s own perception. I may change mine yet again.
I think i agree with you it seems more reasonable to desire nothing then to desire to lose.
At the same time, isn’t it true that if we ‘desire nothing’ we might have to be dead?
We have to desire something sometimes. After all, we’re human.
It comes down to learning to be discriminate human beings. lol


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Is it even logical to suppose that we can even desire to lose something which is 'unwinable". Wouldn’t that be like grasping thin air?
For me, at least in this moment, the answer is by desiring ‘nothing’ either way. If we are ‘desiring nothing’ we are in total detachment.

There are many answers to many things…some more valid than others…depending on one’s own perception. I may change mine yet again.
I think i agree with you it seems more reasonable to desire nothing then to desire to lose.
At the same time, isn’t it true that if we ‘desire nothing’ we might have to be dead?
We have to desire something sometimes. After all, we’re human.
It comes down to learning to be discriminate human beings. lol
Perhaps what one should desire then is not to lose but rather to simply not desire to win, or in otherwords have no desire regarding at least winning in that case.


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And in what position does that then leave the ‘one’? Smile


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i dont follow Question


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Well, that’s a good thing Abstract - especially if the leader has no idea where he is going. Forge your own path.

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Perhaps what one should desire then is not to lose but rather to simply not desire to win, or in otherwords have no desire regarding at least winning in that case.

And in what position does that then leave the ‘one’?

I don’t suppose there is actually only one answer to this question but I had one in mind. But, what would you say is another position? A hint, don’t let the written word throw you or mislead you. scratch


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i dont know… there is desire to lose, desire nothing, simply don’t care… i don’t know what else there is


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This is another question that is pertinent to what we’ve been discussing and takes to it from a whole different angle.

My answer here is that we win the unwinnable by considering the road to be the goal, without actually saying so; we bravely move toward a goal, but secretly know that this goal is only a means to the end of moving, expressing our strength, being alive.

So we win the goal for us, we place it in our bosom without actually reaching it, thus without neutralizing it. To win the unwinnable we must set unreachable goals. A bit like the moon might be said to have the goal of plummeting into Earth.

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Aristotle once said, “I have gained this by philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law.”

What do you think you have gained from philosophy, what have you lost?


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Aristotle once said, “I have gained this by philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law.”

What do you think you have gained from philosophy, ?

My Self…an ongoing process…

A much more expansive perspective (still working on it)

My doubts and skepticism about a deity - ignosticism (that’s a good thing)

The possibility that there may be some First Cause which we can never ever solve the mystery of. And that that First Cause will probably remain completely foreign to our puny brains; even if in fact there is one to begin with. And why would we choose to solve that mystery?

The value that comes from examining and doubting your beliefs (an ongoing process)

A brighter mind (mind you, I said “brighter” not brightest Mad )

A world of brilliant awesome thinkers…I would not have known otherwise…

The insight that I do not know how to love such as I previously thought…

The light that still shines and lingers from a tsunamic friendship…

A complicated look - a conundrum of sorts, into the ethics of “to do no harm” and how one’s sense of that can be balanced - to do no harm to self, and at the same time, to another…how that can be accomplished - it is not an easy problem to solve, it’s a never-ending process which seems to have no solution. Does that mean I’m on the right track or the wrong track.

Obviously, an even clearer sense and vision that Life is an ongoing process - and it is that process which makes life worthy of being lived.

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my [s]elf… (an onging process)

Tunnel vision (still working on that too)

a worn-out juvenile belief in a deity.

The luxury of living in the matrix (still working on it. lol)

Meaningless realizations (still working on it)

Actually, when thought about, none of the near above are losses…they are all gains…

and so forth…


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It’s not what I’ve gained, it’s what I have lost, namely enough to be prepared to die. Philosophia est moriendi ars.


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Aristotle once said, “I have gained this by philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law.”

I never had need of philosophy to do that, in as far as it means crass criminal behavior. This points to how new the idea of existential gravity was to the Greeks that had it. They had it as a point, rather than as a field in which they could move. This accounts for that profound superficiality Nietzsche regarded as their most enviable virtue, what is behind the absolute and unmatchable perfection of their art. One hook in truth and no room for error. Life as the perfect circle drawn from a fixed point. Life as a circle produces the immortal.

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Among other things, friendship.

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Gained from philosophy? Pride. Sanity. Clarity. A cold mountain-like distance above things. Also a deep familiarity with the Earth.

Lost? The ability to “be” in that Earth, to flow in the tectonics that are self-unknown and thus beautiful. Philosophy forever strives to reclaim that which it lost, sacrificed, in the name of its other god - truth. We can either “be” truth, or we can “know” it. To know it is to elevate the entirety of existence; to be it is to reap the benefits of all that former knowing, knowledge in which being itself cannot really partake. All philosophy is in a sense “anti-being”.

Other things seem to even out. I’ve lost some happiness, gained other happiness. New sufferings afflict me as a consequence of philosophy, but then other sufferings have vanished as a consequence of it. New experience recede into impossibility, while others open themselves up before me like rose-buds, or whores.


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What is, is, and what is not yet, is something else.
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This also aims at Parodites’ theory of quanta.

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Child Tyrant

A philosopher takes it to over 9000 by filtering everything like a child’s tyranny: I take what I like, I respect nothing but my own taste in your words. This way, true collaboration is born: by absolute egoism. The flip side is that no part of anything can be disregarded: as Capable says, there might be a clue in there.

Woman’s Role for Men

Why be desperate at the fizzling away of meaning at high speeds? Maybe a woman watched it and was tickled by it! What comfort… What center. The center is not the cause that fizzles, but the consequence that enjoys. The cause is only movement, with befores and afters.

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One of the things that impresses me about Tolkien is how he reversed Nietzsche’s procession. First, with The Hobbit, he was a child, then, with The Lord of The Rings he was a Lion, and finally with The Silmarilion he was the Camel. I guess he would have gone into chameleon if given enough time, though maybe his studies on linguistics represent this.

The Hobbit, by the way, is a fantastic book to read as an older child, 8 to 13. So awesome. His original conception of dwarves and hobbits was to give children powerful figures to relate to.
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Great insight about the reverse procession of Nietzsche’s idea. Although the child in Hobbit is more of an incipient, expectant state rather than the result of a former completion and passing-beyond as in the case of Nietzsche’s child post-lion, post-camel, but in either case the characteristics are similar there - much overcoming by the end of the book. I very much enjoyed reading The Hobbit as a youth, I had this really nice edition of the book, large with graphics and an ornate, old-looking binding and cover. I remember when I saw it in the book store, I immediately fell in love with it and begged my dad to buy it for me… it was winter, the snow was falling in big slow flakes, and then we went to McDonalds after buying the book. In some ways, the experience of reading that book at a young age and for the first time, may have been my original introduction into philosophy.


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I had the asthetic experience with The Lord of The Rings, which I read from a library in its original 9 book format, each one black with a different symbol. So medieval…

I think Tolkien is almost a perfect mirror for a philosopher: like a Maerlin, he shows in reverse the truths of immmediate insights. The Lord of The Rings is what Medieval literature would FEEL like in modern times, not because of a more cynical perspective which he explicitly condemned but because of a wider field of experience. What we now know, so to speak, about princehood. Some of his battles read like a Homeric chapter, a dry list of fallen Nobles with Adjectives, evoking a greatness so immediate that the distance takes form as concrete distance. Gandalf is a dangerous motherfucker who just Happens to be on the hobbits’ side, a return or rather update of the original wild wizard. Lore Master (philosopher).

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Pithagoras found nature immediately as mundane as any unthinking man, the same with mathematics as boring. What made nature misteriously transcendental was that he had the code, the number. Numbers are transcendental inasmuch as they decode the normally mundane nature into a mediate knowledge that imprints power on the brain itself… The feeling, the almost smell of wisdom in trees comes from the knowledge that numbers can be applied to them and almost make man commune with nature in terms of man instead of of nature.

Pithagoras was a badass. But he had no transcendental knowledge, only an applied philosophy that gave a feeling of mistic communion.

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The moon loves cause, she reaps its consequence. In her dwell in outmost joy all causes that reach her; but the cause that makes her happiest is the Sun. When he shines on her, she smiles! She is happy, all other causes are too faint and too cold to bring her such a smile, such as makes men dance, in which all other causes are dimly reflected, sharply unified. Men are all astounded at the great causes when they gaze upon her, and dance to their reflected beauty on the pale earth of her light. And women… They look at the moon and can feel no greater pride. Her identity is their possibility, a reflection of their act, and they feed from her consequence both symbolically and directly. O woman! I love to be loved by you. O moon! I love to be shown by you.

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From a message I sent Capable: “I think the day philosophy is overcome will be a sad day, a buddist tired kind of day. The uberman, for example, is still below, still loves philosophy.”

The only reason I separate superman and philosopher is that philosophy must neanmois always be the ultimate overcomer. The superman, if he is a philosopher, is the only kind of human left, and even then he can live and love side by side with a philosopher. Philosopher: he who keeps the art pure and of itself.
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I don’t think philosophy will ever be overcome. It is the art of overcoming itself. It will change shape, though, when science has been liberated from its superstitions. It will not always remain as free, at one point it must come to actually rule. We are perhaps enjoying philosophy’s freest moment: it is discovering that it’s nature is quite omnipotent, but this discovery is not yet communicated.

I can imagine the intellectual wars that will break out once these notions break through into different intellectual establishments.

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Next to the Philosophers Clan video series we decided to pursue a small form of improvised fiction. After the first one came about in an unfathomable way that was supposed to lead to something very different, we decided to keep the form and stick with it, in the sense of haiku, calligraphy, a form of Japanese repetition.

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We’ve set up a youtube channel for our Montreal based film company, Before The Light Studios;
youtube.com/channel/UC86mxs … 67Jc6cHQ2g

Keep an eye on it. Things are rolling along quite nicely.

Ive PMed Capable about screenwriting. He said he’s interested. In 2012 I had a correspondence with Parodites, working on a script, about two types of heroism. That was a tremendous setup, which I hope to continue working on some time.

In any case I invite Capable and Parodites hereby to join the studios as concept developers and screenwriters, to write philosophy for the screen.


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Yes I’m interested. And trying to work on some things. I’m having a difficult time trying to find a way to personify pure force, any suggestions? I want, within the film medium, for some characters to be ephemeral or unformed, imprecise yet functioning personas that act within the story; basically I want to find a way for the sensation and idea of a pure force or power to take the form of a character without needing to be represented in a concrete body or actor.

I’m toying with the idea of using an object, coupled with a voice over and some cinematic effects, but I know that’s been done before. Another idea I had was to use brief glimpses of an article of clothing, somewhat suspended in the air or a boot on the ground, but making these fleeting and giving the impression they’re disconnected from an actual unified whole person wearing those clothes, and then doing a voiceover on top of that. Or simply the power or suggestion, have other characters act as if another person were in the room but never actually show that other person. Use clever camera work and cuts and angles and sounds to create impressions of people where there are none.


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I am your labyrinth …”. -N

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I realized that film can not be invented, it must be obeyed. He who obeys it best is the mightiest. Like handling the sword.

To violate laws is only viable in the context of reestablishing, re-acknowledging them on a higher level of story development; one can cause a disorientating sequence to be released in a stabilizing finale where a person is shown to have gone through a delirium or physical duress. The physiology is challenged, and in the state of shaken-ness the viewer is given an image to identify with, in that state, as that state.
In as far as a story is carried by physiological nuances, it works as a script.

Actors are nervous people; high strung natures that are used to and not afraid of feeling their nerves reeling; they enjoy it. They ride on the currents of mans expectations and somehow fulfill what man can not attain while purely in the flesh.

Im impressed by the thread about politics, I follow it happily and share it with intelligent politically interested people. They appreciate it. My father said he thought much of Parodites’ analysis of Trump. Other people communicated interest but wishing to understand in simpler terms. There is a magnetism to this; Trump is a story and who understands the psychology of man can tell where the story is headed.

Let’s think up a political thriller. Analogous to the dynamics i this election but heavily altered so as to resemble only in the sense of mechanism. It is interesting to think up a future that could follow in say 50 years. I am thinking here of your view of women as the positive substance, C, as that which is far enough from the self-devouring ground of consciousness as to be properly within consciousness; ‘objective’ - or even ‘object’.

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Today LOin3b0

Jupiter year about to close.
Int he opening of the thirteenth month at the cusp of the new sign Jupiter is joined by Venus and Mercury; yesterday all were on the 27th degree, a degree where many philosophers and other men intellectual pride have placements; Nietzsche’s Mars to begin with.

Pluto opposes Vesta which is conjunct Sirius (Pluto, Earth, Vesta and Sirius are in one line) at 13 Cancer, the ‘birth degree’ of the USA. (Sirius is the planet the Egyptians attributed to Isis, or, in Modern Faraoic, $)

Astrologers in my native country have predicted well over two decades ago that when Pluto runs opposite to this degree, the US will start falling apart, losing its mask reveal itself to itself; beyond this point, no one can see; Pluto determines power so deep that its workings are largely invisible until they’re well and done.

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My own prediction is more optimistic; a few years after this cataclysmic transit, Pluto returns to its US birth degree, for the first time. No human experiences a Pluto-return; the Uranus return occurs at 84, the Saturn return at 29; a nation however, can and often will. It tends to break apart and/or solidify into a new form. Pluto will return to its position of 1776 quite soon.

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PostSubject: The absolute necessity of atheism. The absolute necessity of atheism. Icon_minitimeSat Sep 24, 2016 9:50 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Or, the necessity of absolute atheism.

Atheism is much more than a disbelief in God and theisms. Atheism is a way of believing, a pure form of subjectivity: we should state openly that we do not care if or to whatever extent theism is correct, because that question of “is God real? Is there some reality to the theistic idea?” is the wrong question. Parodites has written about this, about how theism is a structure of subjectivity and the content of that structure doesn’t really matter, what matters is the form of the subject who believes; lack of theism (atheism) is also a form of subjectivity regardless of questions about the truth of some content of any theism, and the atheist subjectivity is higher than the theist subjectivity in how theistic subjectivity still grants to those questions of God and theism a kind of reality that is actually entirely absent or withdrawn from the subject itself, therefore theistic subjectivity in fact represents a kind of self-contradiction sublimated to the level of ignorance. The ignorance is one of self-ignorance in how this person doesn’t understand that their own beliefs in God or theism don’t actually even matter, and not just in general but don’t actually even matter to that person themselves.

Pure believe in God or theism is the first stage, a stage that children are often at; if you ask them it is clear they truly authentically believe in God or their own theistic construct of cosmology (this also seems to be the stage that most Christian and Muslim fundamentalists are still at). They believe in the same way they believe in other things like tables and chairs. The next stage is pre-philosophical doubt that questions the theistic beliefs, so that one gains the further authenticity of being able to admit that one honestly does not know if God or theism is really true; this reflects an unconscious understanding that the nature of belief in God and theism is different than the nature of belief in tables and chairs, and a person can be at this stage but still retain a kind of openness and desire for God and the theistic while still admitting they do not know. The final stage is the atheist stage that openly states it does not believe in God or theism.

Now these three stages correspond to three kinds of subjectivity, and the belief itself only functions to mark those stages: 1) subjectivity is unable to identify the structural differences regarding the nature of theistic beliefs vs. beliefs in things like tables (I’ll call this latter kind of belief “material belief” for simplicity sake); for this stage the self has no capacity to distinguish between the form of material belief and the form of ideological belief; 2) the self becomes capable of drawing this distinction between these teo forms into conscious reflective subjectivity and so asserts a fundamental difference here when it comes to each kind of belief, and this difference which is asserted takes the form of separating how we believe in something like God vs. how we believe in something like tables and chairs. This second stage is symbolized by doubt and uncertainty toward the ideological beliefs; then 3) this distinction goes from the unconscious to conscious level and is able to inform the self directly, so that we become capable of admitting and knowing fully that the way of believing in God or theistic ideas is totally different from the way of believing in tables and chairs. Stage 1 is hard religious, stage 2 is soft religious/agnostic, and stage 3 is atheist.

Note that these stages have nothing to do with whatever actually real content might be the case with respect to beliefs in God or theistic claims. It doesn’t matter if God is real or not, it doesn’t matter if a given theistic belief-set has some actual reality and truth to it or not. The stages do not at all correspond to any kind of access to true knowledge about “what God or theism really are”, the atheist at stage 3 is just as ignorant about the “reality of God” as is the hard religious at stage 1, but the point is that the atheist is capable of recognizing this ignorance.

So now there is introduced a stage 4, which reflects a differentiation within atheism: stage 3 atheism is unconscious atheism, the kind of atheist like Sam Harris or Richard Dawkins that makes statements like “I know there is no God”, they must instantiate their atheism with clear statements about God and theism because they are still treating the question of God like the question of tables and chairs. This means that their subjective development toward honesty and philosophic depth is still at an unconscious stage, is still unable to recognize itself except where it recognizes its rejection of theism as such; the atheist like this gives God too much credit by assuming that we can meaningfully ask “is God real?”, when in fact that question is not only unanswerable but totally meaningless. Stage 4 appears when the atheist realizes that it doesn’t matter if God or theism are the case. This stage 4 therefore reflects the final honest authenticity of subjectivity able to acknowledge the absolute distinction between ideological and material believing.

Pascal’s wager is an example of anti-philosophy, the exact opposite of what we should be doing. We shouldn’t be saying “I choose beleif in God or theism because if I’m wrong it doesn’t matter, but if I’m right then I gain the benefits of that belief”, we should say “I choose not to believe in God because believing in God is meaninglessness as such, and even if God exists it doesn’t even matter”. The point is that taking Pascal’s route we abandon our own subjectivity to impotence, we remain cowards before ourselves; the further step that Pascal should have taken is “even if God exists I still have no reason to believe in God, and even if I die and go before God in judgment God will still have to admit “yes it’s true you had no reason to believe in me-- good for you for rejecting believing in me!””.

Once we reach stage 4 we can begin to analyze subjectivity directly and understand the clear function of religious ideological believing. No amount of questions or attempts to answer “is God real?” ever in fact grounds any kind of religious (or agnostic or atheist) subjectivity at all. But neither should the stage 4 self fall into the trap of saying that it is impossible for a God or a theistic order to exist; it is clearly not logically impossible for such a being or beings to exist, but that was never the point anyway. Many things are theoretically possible but absolutely unverifiable, and whether or not they truly are the case is irrelevant because we couldn’t know in the first place and because belief in God and theisms operates existentially at the purely symbolic level of subjective-conscious being: the fact that our kind of subjectivity is unable to authentically treat gods and theistic possibilities in the same way that we treat things like tables and chairs demonstrates that God and theisms occupy an entirely different categorical order for which “believing or disbelieving” doesn’t even make sense.

I associate religious believe with ideology because I see religion as a specific form of ideology, just as I see ideology as the general form of religion. Ideology is precisely the failure to recognize this difference in the categorical orders that I just mentioned; ideology is the confusion of one order with another. Namely, ideology is displaced subjectivity.

Political beliefs can also fall into this ideological trap, not necessarily because it is always impossible that we could authentically believe in the assertions of a political belief but because how the political subject treats his or her own political beliefs is the same as how the religious person treats his or her own religious beliefs. Most people do not go about trying to philosophically or empirically verify the grounds of their political beliefs even if those grounds could in theory be verified like that; politics is a kind of surrogate religious system that is treated as if it were religious in nature when in fact it really isn’t religions like that. Thus these kind of political ideologies demonstrate that a subject is unable to fully assume a stage 4 subjectivity and is still using various kinds of beliefs as a means to instantiate and ground the more fundamental displaced subjectivity. This happens because as we all probably know, ideological believing feels good, it can act at the level of pleasure and desire-excess and it can act as a subjective glue holding us together in difficult or changing experiences. Philosophy is anti-entropic, but that requires therefore a high level of energy input to maintain; much easier to at times concede to a form of limited entropy where certain beliefs are assumed in order to relieve some of the burden of that energy requirement. Stage 3 is the naive atheist (the religious atheist) while stage 4 is a continuum: the low end of that continuum is partial acceptance of the categorical divide between subjective forms of knowledge and justification while still needing to relieve psychological pressure now and then by conceding to “small ideological errors”, and progresses all the way up to the high end where no such concessions are allowed.

Being capable of philosophy means that we already understand that the question of “does God really exist?” is utterly meaningless to us, to the kind of subjectivity-structure that we are. And I think politics is quasi-religious because politics is capable of engaging an ideological need even when that need is incapable of employing religion. Politics is still necessarily different from religion, but the two often go hand in hand because of how politics can give the impression of a stage 4 subjectivity method while secretly looping back into stage 3 routes of escape for our entropic discharges of high energy requirement. So in this sense the philosopher at least makes political ideology into something useful and in part justified as a release valve keeping open the active possibility of his philosophizing in different directions… Thus we see that the limit of philosophy approaching politics is the limit of losing this utility of the self, of being forced to subsist in our philosophy on nothing but those energies that can be taken from nutrients palatable to philosophy as the ultimate standard.


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I was looking at the map of the Russian-proposed transsiberian-atlantic highway from London to New York, when my eye fell, as it usually does when I stare at Russia on a map for a while, on Nova Zembla.

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Look what it looks like, a straight razor, forcing the ships Northward. Truly horrible to be caught there.

Colonial ships from the Netherlands sometimes tried to discover the Northern Route around Asia to “The East-Indies”, rather than having to go all the way around Africa. Obviously, you were unlucky if you happened to be on one of those expeditions.

One of them came back, its sailors lived to tell the stories and put fear in the Dutch of this island named Nova Zembla.

A few years ago a film came out, the DP was an old friend of mine but the film was utterly shit. They actually had a guy in a bear-suit, playing the polar bear they had scripted as they couldn’t get one from the zoo or something. Ayway, dont go to Nova Zembla. Or if you do, bring an extra pair of socks.

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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUGvRzTW2ME[/youtube]


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Must one not first hate oneself, in order to love oneself? …
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That is superior to “God” as I see it - that is pure Man.


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Yes I agree. Whatever God means, is what Man already meant.

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this made me laugh

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The samurai where weak the moment they invoked Budha, invoked anything, in the grappling with the immediate.

This is a valid criticism only because the Samurai were the strongest ever in the face of the immediate, the bravest.
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PostSubject: Re: Japanese Weakness Japanese Weakness Icon_minitimeSun Oct 30, 2016 5:33 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
I dont see that they much did, though. You are right about their immediacy - Buddha was Indian and he only managed to arrive in Japan as “chan” or “zen” and then only through the zen of action.

The only way I can see any delay or sublimation or dissolution of the immediate is into massive dream visions like Anime, but these do not represent a loss of grappling-focus. I think. But then I am far from an expert of Anime.

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I’ve resisted making a Banalities topic here at BTL, but this would definitely qualify. On the radio a woman called into a discussion on health insurance with “experts” one of whom is part of the Clinton group that supports Obamacare. The woman said she is self-employed and buys the cheapest possible state insurance plan, which increases by 60% this year in cost, to now it costs $20,000 a year for her to buy health insurance (which is legally required to do now), and her deductible is a few thousand dollars above that. She said she literally cannot afford the insurance and even despite that she can’t even go to the doctor because if she does it counts toward deductible and she can’t pay out of pocket either for that, when her health insurance each month is half of her rent payment.

Guess what the response from the radio host was? “But you’re just the kind of person we need in the insurance risk pool!”

Really makes you want to strangle someone. These clowns have no fucking clue what they are doing to people. A few at the top like Obama and Clinton know, the rest are too stupid and brainwashed by syncophantic politically correct soullessness to even know it. When faced with the reality they literally shut off mentally, you can see it in real time.

Health care and university education are two massive bubbles right now. These bubbles must be popped. Try to imagine paying $20,000 a year for your health insurance (not even health care), and on top of that you can’t afford to see the doctor. Lol.

Talk about “American pride”, these sort of things are precisely why people are voting Trump. They’re sick of being told they need to stop complaining about being fucked in the ass.


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PostSubject: Re: Health insurance Health insurance Icon_minitimeMon Oct 31, 2016 6:09 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Excellent topic. Touches on many aspects of life in America.

However. all I will say at the moment is: “Obamacare sucks big time.”
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Beyond the politically correct hype and feel-good, Obamacare had two purposes: to enrich insurance companies and keep the healthcare bubble alive, and to eventually destroy the health insurance market making it necessary to have a single payer government system of healthcare. The payout to the insurance giants (remember that the individual mandate was first a Republicsn idea) is a short term hook, like a shot of heroin, that is meant to weaken and ultimately destroy the insurance companies. I’m sure the CEOs of the insurance companies know this, maybe most of the shareholders do too, but they all get their payout so they could care less.

The number of blatant lies Obama told about the affordable care act is stunning. It was almost enough for me to jump on the conservative bandwagon back in 2010 or whenever that was it was being debated. If Trump wins then we can perhaps dismantle it; but the Supreme Court has already made it plain, twice, that they will go beyond legality to uphold Obamacare. It’s clear something far more ideological is going on.


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PostSubject: Re: Health insurance Health insurance Icon_minitimeMon Oct 31, 2016 7:47 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
What in the living fuck.


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Yes that about sums it up.

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I’m not “proud to be an American”, I am not “an American”, no one is. I am a human being who just happened through no choice of my own to be born here. Associating one’s identity and self-image with a nation one had nothing to do with is sort of pathological, if you think about it.

But I am proud that America exists.


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PostSubject: Re: Patriotism Patriotism Icon_minitimeSat Oct 29, 2016 11:32 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Well, I’m still a proud American. Sorry if that hurts your feelings. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Patriotism Patriotism Icon_minitimeSat Oct 29, 2016 1:54 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Taking personal pride in something you personally had no hand in at all is the road to insanity.


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PostSubject: Re: Patriotism Patriotism Icon_minitimeSun Oct 30, 2016 1:27 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
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Taking personal pride in something you personally had no hand in at all is the road to insanity.

Oh, but I very much did have a hand in everything I am proud of regarding my pride in America.

I do not accept responsibility for anything I did not have a hand in nor do I accept any responsibility for anything regarding America that I am ashamed of and did my best to prevent from happening.

So I suppose you should rethink that last statement of yours.

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PostSubject: Re: Patriotism Patriotism Icon_minitimeSun Oct 30, 2016 6:00 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
You personally had a hand in creating America to be what it is?

Ok then.


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PostSubject: Re: Patriotism Patriotism Icon_minitimeSun Oct 30, 2016 11:10 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
I’m irritated to not be an American sometimes.


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What have been the American battles and wars that you’ve fought, won, and lost, if I may ask so much, Sisyphus?

I do believe that a single citizen can have a structural impact - even someone who isn’t a citizen.
One of my boy hood heroes has been Arnold Schwarzennegger, and I dont think Ive have ever been as amused by anything in politics as when he became Governator. And amusement is by far the best thing public Politics can be - if it takes itself rigidly seriously in the public eye, it is likely to have grave doubts about its future.

Politics is essentially the struggle of clans with enough power to build infrastructure of any kind. Social, geographical, transport, electrical, petrochemical, aerial or orbital, mineral, transactional, all this is about who can provide the Value. It is all about honor, and government is built to stand in the way.
But ideally, only as flashing lights and crossroads. Warning: cross here and you will be contended with by your opponent without other forces coming to your aid.

English international politics, the Empire of Balance.


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What have been the American battles and wars that you’ve fought, won, and lost, if I may ask so much, Sisyphus?

I was involved in the Vietnam War.

But wars are not what builds respect for a nation. It are the good will ambassadors, those who visit other countries, try to learn a little of their language, learn their culture and customs, treat them with respect, etc.

I did those things. And I received respect in return. Not just respect of me but also of my being an American.

Wherever I was stationed during non-duty hours I was likely out and about mingling with the natives. And I never hesitated to mention that I was an American.

This was my role in building respect for America and Americans.
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Ah yes, murdering Vietnamese clearly helped contribute to what makes American pride. Thanks for clarifying.


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Ah yes, murdering Vietnamese clearly helped contribute to what makes American pride. Thanks for clarifying.

You are such a pessimist!!!

I murdered no one. Don’t be judging me based on your ignorance!

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PostSubject: Re: Patriotism Patriotism Icon_minitimeMon Oct 31, 2016 1:40 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
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Ah yes, murdering Vietnamese clearly helped contribute to what makes American pride. Thanks for clarifying.

You are such a pessimist!!!

I murdered no one. Don’t be judging me based on your ignorance!

You are being deliberately dense. But of course that is your right.


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Ah yes, murdering Vietnamese clearly helped contribute to what makes American pride. Thanks for clarifying.

You are such a pessimist!!!

I murdered no one. Don’t be judging me based on your ignorance!

You are being deliberately dense. But of course that is your right.

Would you please consider that it is you who is being dense by judging something before you know anything about it?

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Look, I am not going to be trolled on my own fucking site. Listen up.

I made the point that it is pathological to associate oneself and one’s identity and pride with the place one just randomly happens to be born. When we are born somewhere, we had nothing at all to do with making that place what it is when we are born into it. People who go around feeling “patriotism” and “I am an American! Yeah!” are fucking stupid, they are just using national pride as a religion of the self to generate something resembling self-esteem and a sense of subjective meaning for themselves. I get why they do it, but it is stupid.

You replied by saying that you had a hand in everything about American that makes you proud. You neglect to list what it is about America that makes you proud, or how you had a hand in it, but whatever. I don’t expect you to put in any serious effort here, so I will let that slide.

Then you, surprise, did apparently try to make such an effort, which is great, except that… your argument for how you had a hand in everything about America that makes you proud, was to say that you were a soldier in a war. And not just any war, but Viet fucking nam. Wow, really. I had no idea that the Vietnam war was the pinnacle of American pride and greatness, in fact I believe it is quite the other way around and example of what is most deplorable, stupid, reactionary, unthoughtful, petty and vain about America.

Your retort is that you didn’t personally murder anyone. Ok, so you really weren’t “in the war” the, is what you were saying? You just walked around in some jungles and never had to man up and take another life, like a good soldier would do? How the fuck does that make you more justified in your argument rather than less justified in it? Your unstated assumption is that it is better for you not to have killed anyone in that war than to have killed them, which leaves me wondering what the fuck you are using the war itself, in which many many people were killed, as some kind of paragon for what makes American pride?

And lastly, on top of it all, you accuse me of being a “pessimist” without offering a single reason or explanation of what you mean by that. So, again, I am not going to be trolled on my own fucking site. Start offering some real substance here or stick to that regard-troll Myki in his little corner (I think I will rename his topic The Insane Asylum, now that I am thinking of it).


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PostSubject: Re: Patriotism Patriotism Icon_minitimeMon Oct 31, 2016 3:20 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
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Look, I am not going to be trolled on my own fucking site. Listen up.

Well, you are doing an excellent job without even trying. Just think how much more efficient you would be if you actually tried.

I made the point that it is pathological to associate oneself and one’s identity and pride with the place one just randomly happens to be born. When we are born somewhere, we had nothing at all to do with making that place what it is when we are born into it. People who go around feeling “patriotism” and “I am an American! Yeah!” are fucking stupid, they are just using national pride as a religion of the self to generate something resembling self-esteem and a sense of subjective meaning for themselves. I get why they do it, but it is stupid.

So I am fucking stupid. Okay. But then I don’t give a shit about your misinformed prejudgements. Yes, I am an American. I was born here. Yes, the military was my career. That was my choice. I am an Atheist and have no religion. I am who I am and I m proud of most of it. So you have no self pride. That’s fine. So you take no pride in being a part of what you are. That’s fine. But you know what? I don’t believe that shit.

You replied by saying that you had a hand in everything about American that makes you proud. You neglect to list what it is about America that makes you proud, or how you had a hand in it, but whatever. I don’t expect you to put in any serious effort here, so I will let that slide.

I gave you a fucking list but you ignored it because you have a Jane Fonda complex.

Then you, surprise, did apparently try to make such an effort, which is great, except that… your argument for how you had a hand in everything about America that makes you proud, was to say that you were a soldier in a war. And not just any war, but Viet fucking nam. Wow, really. I had no idea that the Vietnam war was the pinnacle of American pride and greatness, in fact I believe it is quite the other way around and example of what is most deplorable, stupid, reactionary, unthoughtful, petty and vain about America.

I didn’t say that I had a hand in “everything about America”. I said that I had a hand in many of the things that cause me to be a proud American. I have my limits. But I do what I can and I have no regrets.

Okay Jane. Bitch at me for following orders I had sworn to follow but say nothing about those who issued the orders (Kennedy and Johnson). You know why Jane didn’t criticize Kennedy or Johnson? Because she was chicken shit. Either one of them would have had her killed if she actually spoke the truth.

You just don’t fuckin’ understand about standing true to your commitments, do you? I swore to follow the orders of my president and those in the chain of command who had authority over me. That takes a lot of fuckin’ pride.

So you want to base my entire career in the Army on the fact that I spent 11 months in Vietnam. That is your choice. But you are totally wrong by doing so.

Your retort is that you didn’t personally murder anyone. Ok, so you really weren’t “in the war” the, is what you were saying? You just walked around in some jungles and never had to man up and take another life, like a good soldier would do? How the fuck does that make you more justified in your argument rather than less justified in it? Your unstated assumption is that it is better for you not to have killed anyone in that war than to have killed them, which leaves me wondering what the fuck you are using the war itself, in which many many people were killed, as some kind of paragon for what makes American pride?

So you are a fuckin’ pacifist who will allow anyone to do anything they want to do to you and then bitch because no one protected you. Wow!! And it was you who accused me of murdering people without even a thread of knowledge simply bacause you listened to the bullshit Jane and the like were spouting off in order to get some public attention. It didn’t matter to them who it hurt. It didn’t matter how many lies they had to tell.

It was you who started the talk about the Vietnam war, not me. You were trying to put me one the spot with your pacifist ideals and you failed miserably. And I never said I didn’t kill anyone. I said I never murdered anyone.

But you go ahead. No patriotism, no ancestral respect, no self respect, no sense of responsibility, no action, just words. Impossible ideals. Isn’t it time to get real?

And lastly, on top of it all, you accuse me of being a “pessimist” without offering a single reason or explanation of what you mean by that. So, again, I am not going to be trolled on my own fucking site. Start offering some real substance here or stick to that regard-troll Myki in his little corner (I think I will rename his topic The Insane Asylum, now that I am thinking of it).

So you wish to ignore the truth rather than justify your own position. Fine. And I did mention “pessimist” in response to what you said. That is evidence enough.

It was you who was trolling by trying to denigrate me and show yourself superior. It didn’t work. If you think I am here only to troll then perhaps you should suggest that I leave “Your” site. I am trying to have constructive discussion of Nietzsche’s philosophy. If that isn’t a good enough reason for me to be here then something needs to change.

It’s your ball. You can throw it anywhere you want. But at least acknowledge that it was you who threw the ball.

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Sorry if I’m being a dick, I’m trying not to be. I agree that it’s nice you partook in local cultures when you were abroad, that is indeed an approach that rings true of a proud American. But you haven’t even said what your role in the war was, much less how that contributed to American pride. By most accounts the Vietnam war wasn’t a source of American pride but a stain on that pride. The only possible argument I can think of to defend the Vietnam war in terms of American pride is that it represented an excess of American valuing, an excess that strayed into the irrational. I don’t know what point you’re trying to make with it because you haven’t made it yet.


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PostSubject: Re: Patriotism Patriotism Icon_minitimeMon Oct 31, 2016 3:24 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Just to be clear, this is what you said: “Oh, but I very much did have a hand in everything I am proud of regarding my pride in America.”


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I still don’t see a point in this new post of yours that shows what it is about America that you’re proud of or how you contributed to it. Swearing loyalty to follow orders while you’re in the army might take pride, or in some cases im sure it takes the opposite of pride, namely a lack of it, but even so that still isn’t making your case or refuting the point I made in the OP.


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And I’m not a pacifist, just to be clear.


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PostSubject: Re: Patriotism Patriotism Icon_minitimeMon Oct 31, 2016 3:39 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
This place here is for philosophy. I’d like to see arguments that at least aspire to that.


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Sorry if I’m being a dick, I’m trying not to be. I agree that it’s nice you partook in local cultures when you were abroad, that is indeed an approach that rings true of a proud American. But you haven’t even said what your role in the war was, much less how that contributed to American pride. By most accounts the Vietnam war wasn’t a source of American pride but a stain on that pride. The only possible argument I can think of to defend the Vietnam war in terms of American pride is that it represented an excess of American valuing, an excess that strayed into the irrational. I don’t know what point you’re trying to make with it because you haven’t made it yet.

Great! We are beginning to talk “with” each other rather than “to” each other.

The Vietnam War was a total disaster for the United States. I thought and still believe that it was a very stupid war. But Kennedy and Johnson wanted the war for personal reasons. Kennedy to make up for his failure with Cuba and Johnson so he could make lots of millions of dollars.

We had no right being over there. The reasons told to the American people why the war was necessary were all lies. We started the war, not the Vietnamese. But lots of Americans made millions of dollars from it so in their opinion it was a good thing.

I mean, they were putting American soldiers in harm’s way so they could make a buck. They didn’t see any problem with that as long as they didn’t have to go over there.

To think that I am proud to have served in Vietnam is an error. I simply did what I had sworn to do - comply with the orders of the president. All of us felt that way.

To suggest that we were combating Communism was the biggest lie of all.

I didn’t have a job when I was in Vietnam. My skill was not needed. I was sent there in 1970 only because I hadn’t been there yet.

But I did an excellent job at staying alive so that I could return to the USA after my tour of duty.
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Just to be clear, this is what you said: “Oh, but I very much did have a hand in everything I am proud of regarding my pride in America.”

Excellent. Now please read it over and over again without adding words or removing any of my words. Pay special attention to “… everything I am proud of …”

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I didn’t have a job when I was in Vietnam. My skill was not needed. I was sent there in 1970 only because I hadn’t been there yet.

But I did an excellent job at staying alive so that I could return to the USA after my tour of duty.

I like this warstory.


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I still don’t see a point in this new post of yours that shows what it is about America that you’re proud of or how you contributed to it. Swearing loyalty to follow orders while you’re in the army might take pride, or in some cases im sure it takes the opposite of pride, namely a lack of it, but even so that still isn’t making your case or refuting the point I made in the OP.

We will find it difficult to gain full agreement here. America isn’t only about how badly my government fucked up by starting the Vietnam War. It goes so much further than that.

It has to do with an area of land that is governed in accordance to standards established by its founding fathers. Freedom from a lot of the oppressions that people of other nations have to live with.

My Army service was only a small part of my life. Freedom has always been a part of my life. And I live by the code tht I should not make promises I cannot keep. Therefore my pride in having been an honorable soldier.

So I still must insist that one who has served their country has a right to be proud, even if they did not agree with the laws of the politicians of the time.
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And I’m not a pacifist, just to be clear.

Okay. I was just testing you.
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This place here is for philosophy. I’d like to see arguments that at least aspire to that.

I am doing my best. There is, in my mind, a philosophy of taking responsibility for our thoughts, words, and deeds. There is a philosophy of self-realization and self-actualization.

Your philosophy gave you inspiration to start the thread on patriotism. I disagreed with your conclusion. This is all based in our philosophy of life.

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I officially fucking hate people.

Not all of them, just most.

(The few who are worthy of not being hated, are truly great.)


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I officially fucking hate people.

Not all of them, just most.

(The few who are worthy of not being hated, are truly great.)

Come to Canada, theres less of em here.


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I officially fucking hate people.

Not all of them, just most.

(The few who are worthy of not being hated, are truly great.)

Come to Canada, theres less of em here.

Americans are ok. Weird and anti-philosophical, but ok.

The larger tragedy is that I ran out of alcohol, and can’t get more because the stores don’t open on Sundays…

Can you imagine, the Puritans landed at Plymouth rock in 16… who the fuck cares blah blah, and now its 2016 and I still can’t buy booze cause it’s the “sabbath day”. Haha.

Yeah, American is pretty fucking cool.


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ive not yet said this to anyone
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Capable wrote:
I officially fucking hate people.

Not all of them, just most.

(The few who are worthy of not being hated, are truly great.)

Come to Canada, theres less of em here.

Americans are ok. Weird and anti-philosophical, but ok.

The larger tragedy is that I ran out of alcohol, and can’t get more because the stores don’t open on Sundays…

Can you imagine, the Puritans landed at Plymouth rock in 16… who the fuck cares blah blah, and now its 2016 and I still can’t buy booze cause it’s the “sabbath day”. Haha.

Yeah, American is pretty fucking cool.

It is no doubt the country with the most contrasts. That alone could simply define it as the greatest as in the deepest, the strangest. China was perhaps in its young days a kind of US of magical travelers.


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Canada is my bitch.

I was born here, I live here, and I will die here.

America.

True American spirit: fuck everywhere else.

I think, if Clinton had won, mass suicides would have followed.

The electoral college is pure genius; “the people” do not elect, the 50 states elect. Fucking right. For better or worse.

America + UK + Russia = [future]


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I appreciate that attitude. Canada doesnt really do any work for the US though, rather the opposite, plus it seemingly has the future, if the earth warms further up. Thule. In the economic sense Canada is simply the Crown on the work of the Crown. Pure privilege; Socialism in the only form it can exist, as it existed in Holland in the cold war - a chosen element in capitalism, the pure excess. Plus Canadians liberated the Netherlands… I’d never see them as inferior to Americans. But I realize the attitude is prevalent, even among Canadians, to consider them weaker. I just take James Cameron as already sufficient proof of that being some serious bullshit. Besides, Hockey is by far the most manly game of all of the ones that are popular on this continent. However:

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master over all men, if possible, and best of all God.” This attitude
must exist again.

Englishmen, Americans, and Russians

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From now on there will be more favorable preconditions for more
comprehensive forms of dominion, whose like has never yet existed. And
even this is not the most important thing; the possibility has been
established for the production of international family unions whose task
will be to rear a master race, the future “masters of the earth”; --a
new, tremendous aristocracy, based on the severest self-legislation, in
which the will of philosophical men of power and artist-tyrants will be
made to endure for millennia–a higher kind of man who, thanks to their
superiority in will, knowledge, riches, and influence, employ democratic
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the destinies of the earth, so as to work as artists upon “man” himself.
Enough: the time is coming when politics will have a different meaning.

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for the activity of the chief drive.

The highest man would have the greatest multiplicity of drives, in the
relatively greatest strength that can be endured. Indeed, where the
plant “man” shows himself strongest one finds instincts that conflict
powerfully (e. g., in Shakespeare), but are controlled.

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Not to make men "better, " not to preach morality to them in any form, as
if “morality in itself,” or any ideal kind of man, were given; but to
create conditions that require stronger men who for their part need, and
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Indeed, the electoral college works like the brain forms a decision. Indeed it is the way of the future.


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Pertaining to your earlier question, as to how to move on from here, I had given my answer before you had requested - allow, after rigorous grooming, meritable sovereign nations to enter the Union as states, with a single electoral vote, and the full privileges and burdens effective through federal law. In fact this is the only logical answer I have to Parodites’ question of how to move to the fourth phase from a few months back, when it was still looking like everything might collapse - yes, suicide rates would have skyrocketed, along with murders and war casualties, and I feel strongly she might not even have survived the first year - plus Russia would have started open war in Syria, and her clique would have joined. Now, we see that Trumps plans can be pushed through and plan 1 he always had was building shit. Things like bridges arent simple tools, they are the mightiest symbols mankind has at his disposal, symbols of his might to cross the abyss, to negate nothingness.

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Capable wrote:
Fixed Cross wrote:
Capable wrote:
I officially fucking hate people.

Not all of them, just most.

(The few who are worthy of not being hated, are truly great.)

Come to Canada, theres less of em here.

Americans are ok. Weird and anti-philosophical, but ok.

The larger tragedy is that I ran out of alcohol, and can’t get more because the stores don’t open on Sundays…

Can you imagine, the Puritans landed at Plymouth rock in 16… who the fuck cares blah blah, and now its 2016 and I still can’t buy booze cause it’s the “sabbath day”. Haha.

Yeah, American is pretty fucking cool.

Move to Georgia. You can still buy moonshine from the country sheriff after church service on Sunday.
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Indeed, the electoral college works like the brain forms a decision. Indeed it is the way of the future.

We have always had the electoral college in the USA. There is absolutely no reason to change anything. (Even though I would prefer election by popular vote.)

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I’ll start.

No. 2.


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I went through five Google search pages in looking for a simple review of this new Ghostbusters remake, an honest review that takes into account the genuine dislike of how they remade this movie with all women… still can’t find one. It’s a flood of basically the same story: “if you dislike this movie you’re a sexist”. Maybe we should have said, if you take a beloved classic film with a huge cult following and deliberately fuck with it, and make it blatant that’s what our doing, then you have no right to complain when people get pissed off.

They could have remade the film with one or two female characters and no one would have even noticed. Yet they did a huge and deliberate “fuck you” to the film series, which is strange since they are remaking that series. Why would you do a nice big fuck you to the very series you want to remake?

Let’s say it went the other way… someone decides to remake Sex and the City but with four dudes. They’re not gay, they’re just four guys and it’s called Sex and the City just like the original, and the premise is the same etc etc (I don’t know what the premise is of Sex and the City, but let’s say they basically copy it). What would the reaction be?

“That is sexist”. So basically you have sexism against men either way: if they remake a film and replace all male roles with female roles, and if you don’t like it, then you’re sexist, but if they remake a film and replace all female roles with male roles that would be called sexist too. Lol.

The deeper thing here is that Ghostbusters is a typically male film. It appeals to boys and adult males, it has an overtly “male” tone and appeal. Sure women like it too, but basically the ethos of the movie is one that appeals first to men and second to everyone broadly. It’s a story about some scientists fighting ghosts with cool energy guns and in cool suits with a cool car, I mean it doesn’t get more quintessentially male appeal oriented than that. This is the same reason why comic books and super heroes have traditionally been male territory. It isn’t rocket science, this is just where the appeal is.

Anyway, it’s funny to see Google in on it too. After so many page searches and not finding a single honest commentary like the one I’m making now, especially considering how simple and honest this insight is, it’s obvious that Google is suppressing pages that say basically what I’m saying here, and actively promoting pages that push the whole “you’re a sexist!” like against anyone who doesn’t fall over backwards to love this new Ghostbusters film. I saw this same thing with Google after the shitty Disney remake of Star Wars came out, every search result was blind syncophantism.

I’m not saying this new Ghostbusters is a bad movie, I haven’t even seen it. Maybe it’s great. But the point is that’s the obvious and obviously deliberate genderism in the remake is going to cause people to get upset, which is the whole point, since they get to piss people off and then stand there and shame those people when they do exactly what you knew they were going to do when you deliberately genderized a cult classic film. Plus, you can’t remake Ghostbusters, no matter the gender makeup. It’s a classic for a reason. This goes to the heart of the same bullshit that people like Jar Jar Abrams pull when they remake great beloved classic films and try to just shamelessly appropriate the magic of the original to their own half-ass attempt. Yes the new Star Wars, Star Trek, Transformers, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, and probably Ghostbusters too are entirely half-ass. Yes it’s fucked up to deliberately genderize a film and then pretend like it’s perfectly normal and you didn’t even know that’s why you’re doing it that way (what’s next, Transformers remake where it’s literally “trans”-formers with every role played by a transgender person?), but the real grievance here is these shameless and totally half-ass attempts to appropriate the love for an original classic film or franchise. These people aren’t fooling anyone. If you wanted to truly do justice to the originals then you would try a hell of a lot harder, and probably end up admitting that it’s an impossible thing to do.

Edit: I’m renaming this thread Capable’s Film Corner for Honesty. I will probably write more film-oriented commentary or reviews here at some point.


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Id been following news on this Ghostbusters for what feels like ten years, first it was just that Bill Murray wasn’t going to be in it which means like a Godfather without Al Pacino or a Terminator without Arnie. So I was not going to watch it anyway, but then it turns out they’ve made it into a sexist and racist vehicle… it is of course sexist to attack a movie franchise with Gender as the only idea in mind - they’re just wretches that made this. The complaints that I read now besides it being a very boring and bad movie, are also that the black womans part has been written as a kind of negro-slave.

As I say in a rap: fuck feminism in the asshole, double time it, triple upon it, just protect your motherfucking daughters.

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Looks like a Deadwood reprise as a movie is in the works.

Fucking right.


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This show is excellent. Vic is a character with significant depth and really all the major characters have good complexity and human-ness to them. The show focuses on the contradictions of each person and how this propels them forward to both good and bad ends. Vic is really interesting because he doesn’t care for truth at all, he only cares for his own values; he totally subverts truth to the ends of his values, attempting to turn truth entirely into a means and never into an end. Despite how good he is at this, an even perfect attempt at doing that is going to start to break apart one’s reality and we see the cracks slowly spreading through his reality, the consequences of his badass heroic attempt to subvert truth for the sake of his own self-valuing. The tragic dimension comes in where he is unable to foresee certain subtler consequences of his choices, more generally of his method, and as his excess is ramping up over time (I am currently in the middle of season 2) this tragic dimension will only grow.

The show reveals that the only way to successfully manage a method such as Vic’s, one of heroic self-valuing without regard to truth, would be to also have a very firm control over one’s own excess, and yet it is his excess that makes him able to self-value like he does. And he isn’t stupid by any means, he is very smart and knows how to slide through even the toughest situations through acts of sheer will and human-relating. He is so ‘political’ that he is like the anti-politician: he would never be able to value his own methods and means when they would be used for ends outside the scope of his own values, which includes a significant breadth of humanity and moral sentiment. The line between what he values and what he does not value is near absolute, and he would never compromise that line except for one of his own values. In other words he can never be bought or corrupted.

In season 2 I am beginning to see the quality of the show’s writing dip just a little bit. It’s a small dip but still noticeable given the superb writing of the first season. But even as the writing is slipping just a little bit, the tension is being ramped up, so I notice there is a slight trade off of internal consistency for the sake of added intensity; for example, Vic decides not to bust the mob’s money train because he wants to take it down on his own with his team and keep all the money… that doesn’t really fit with his character, as a member of his own team points out, but it does increase and stretch out the tension in the plot. And at least by acknowledging the inconsistency the show is attempting to work it logically into the plot, most likely we are supposed to read it as Vic is starting to slip in his judgment due to all the pressure against his values, notably from his wife and kids being absent and from the hit put out against Vic and his team. Yet this angle doesn’t really work, because we see Vic would rather take time to stake out and plan a heist of this money train rather than work on finding the Mexican drug dealer who has put out hits on himself and his strike force team… this reveals a shallowness that isn’t really a part of Vic’s character no matter how much stress he is under. In fact, the added stress would normally propel him more into catching the drug dealer, more into a “moral certainty” that cannot be compromised, but instead we see him basically ignoring the drug dealer and not even worrying about him, in order instead to keep flirting with women, working mundane cases and planning a heist that has no real-world value or good except for enriching his own pockets. It just doesn’t make sense even if we assume he isn’t really himself right now.

The other side of it is that he basically leaves his family unprotected except for a “security system” and a few private investigators keeping an eye on them. Probably Vic is thinking to use the money from the heist to pay for the 24/7 protection for his family, but the heist is by no means certain and still a month or two away. Plus he isn’t the sort of person who would just pay someone else to protect his kids-- Vic would go storm through the gates of where the drug dealer is and put a bullet in his head, neat and clean. We keep hearing him say things like “don’t worry, [to his team] we will find him before he finds us”, but then basically doing nothing to actually find him (the highly dangerous drug dealer who put out a hit on him).

So yeah, a slight problem in the internal consistency of the writing. But as I said, the trade off is that the suspense and tension are through the roof. As I keep watching I’ll have more to say. Overall this show is among the best I’ve seen.


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I’ve seen similar happen with other good shows, namely Deadwood and Boardwalk Empire. These two shows have perfect first seasons, from start to finish absolutely flawless, and then season two starts to unravel at the seams in small ways. I think it was Aristotle who talked about how the plot should flow naturally from the characters and tensions should appear and resolve with perfect internal consistency given the nature of the characters and situations. I think the problem is maybe that the writers can do this for the first season, but after that it’s more up in the air as to how many more seasons they will have, therefore sort of like an author writing a novel but the author isn’t able to know in advance how many chapters his novel will be able to be, therefore it’s impossible to sustain perfect internal consistency from start to finish. The only sure thing is the first season, so that one gets written perfectly.


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Movie: Inglorious Basterds

Does anyone know if this movie is any good? I am considering watching it, but not sure if I should waste my time or not. Thoughts would be welcome.


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I think its by far Tarantino’s worst.

Its in no way relevant to the suffering brought on by the nazis, and yet tries to act as a vengenace-flick. It offers only insult to the victims, it acts as if the war was a big and rather painless joke. Tarantino does not have the darkness/depth of soul to address this type of bleakness.

Nevertheless there are some scenes that are plain genius. Nothing against the man, the director - he isnt to blame for not being able to address the true horror and true resilience of another world. It’s not a horrible movie by any stretch, just worthless as a warmovie.

Django Unchained is a better attempt at morality. And the most recent one, Hateful 8, is to my mind an awesome remake of Reservoir Dogs.

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Hi-D asked me about Odin, and Odin does not hesitate to answer her. Odin likes the forthright and bold, and those who test everything on themselves. No virgin can know Odin, nor perhaps can a man who has not found his match in a fight, or who has never vanquished a strong opponent. Odin lives only in the environment of experience. Most of all the experience deep and fulfilling enough that it creates the possibility of solitude. To be most comfortable when alone in the rain, I believe this is a common quality among men of Odin. I was clearly born to this god as my earliest memories involve a lot of waiting for the rain, and pure bliss during the rain. I could sit for hours on end simply listening to the rain washing against the window, and of course nights of lying awake with fire in my heart staring at the tent roof in the dark as the rain flagellates the canvas. Explosive happiness at the mere sound of an element. Odin is a happiness to those that aren’t bound by their mind, but drawn out by it, fair to say; those whose mind is equally in the thunder as it is in the brain - and that goes, I would say, for all great minds.


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FC wrote:
Odin lives only in the environment of experience.

This I like. Is there more to share?
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A rather insolent thread, my words were too familiar and pompous. I inserted a storm.

and yet the definition isn’t entirely without merit. Another storm:

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“this I like” - does that mean the rest you dont like?
If that is the case then there is little more to share, as the thunder and the rain and the wind, these are Odins elements, as well as the snow. Bright weather is Tyrs realm, or Baldur, or Freya.

Or even Heimdall who guards the bridge beyond the storm.

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Odin and Skadi perpetuate the path of ice on which only the truly balanced dont fall. Nietzsche said Wotan is the god of bad weather, and this is the case

Odin
Wotan Woden, good fellow
Wuotan, woeden: raging.

Wind god, wolf god, Ragnarok is past, and from your bones we now draw runes, o Odin, and we awaken thee, into our Aeon, hail Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche!

[Value Ontology] Poseidon give us a Shell, an Ornament -

Yes, yes,
the wind is never fully stilled. Odin lingers in the seeds of the ash
as silent but imminent potential, to use a roman term, or Kraft - Macht - zur – (stormen, woeden…)

Die Macht zum Untergehen
the power to go down.

This has been the silent power behind Nietzsche’s theory: the already fulfilled quest for the heights, for existence-pure: in Bismarck Nietzsche relied, not in Wodan, as in Wodan is no will to power, but rather the climatological fact of change of power.

Control change, control rage, control magic.

Runes are the paths of change.

Draw a rune on a stone with a good, strong edge.

Ha! Now you have drawn a rune.
So it begins.

What?

Rune-drawing.

Fate: the sharp edge of time


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This is why we prefer to draw runes on a tree that’s alive and flexible enough that it can flow around our rune, and perpetuate it in time, not just in mind - which is beyond time, above it, it can contain whole centuries in a moment and produce a new one. But a tree just is, and projects, inwards into peoples hearts from the outside. We breathe the rune that the cloaked man carved in a tree. Such is life!

Being is like wind - it can never be still.
Like 0 degrees Kelvin is not possible, the absence of Odin is only relative.
the presence of Odin however is absolute.

Ha -
Nature likes to hide
Odin speaks in riddles
Zeus laughs. Poseidon is angry. Hades …

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“drew the shortest straw”…

As I said. Fate is a rune, it has sharp hooks in the road.


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Hrimnir’s daughter, Heidr or Hi-D

When asked about my weather inclinations, Odin frightens me for the most part. Odin confronts me more often than not

into a panic. I am a Sol worshipper with a penchant for calming forces, gentle warm rains, cool breezes, large snowflakes

that flutter down in slow motion. Shoes offend my senses.

Read that Odin gave sight to Heidr who told him of Baldur’s eventual

demise. What I find interesting is my likely alignment with Baldur based solely on his described traits before it was

tied to my actual given name wherein Heidr foresees so specifically Baldur as if there was an established relationship

of sorts between Baldur and Heidr that went unmentioned, a friendship or something even more intimate. My romantic

silliness or there’s way more going on than meets the eye. I know my God favors me greatly, lives a richer existence

as I am enriched. Smiles on me throughout the days and curses me throughout the nights. A strange relationship of love

and obsession.
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How beautiful! Thank you for sharing.


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I like what you say of Odin, and fright. Surely this sensibility will please him. It is said of him that he comes to favor only rare men, those who are not afraid of being out-cast. One can not be favored by Odin as an adapted person, one has to live life in exile or kingship, either/or, or alternatingly, or perhaps both at once. Odin has been compared with the will to power itself in some places.

But the greatest friend to Odin is Apollon !
Hail thee, Bright One!

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Wolves guard Apollons winter home in Hyperborea, where his mother was from.

“Let us face ourselves. We are Hyperboreans; we know very well how far off we live. ‘Neither by land nor by sea will you find the way to the Hyperboreans’—Pindar already knew this about us. Beyond the north, ice, and death—our life, our happiness. We have discovered happiness, we know the way, we have found the exit out of the labyrinth of thousands of years. Who else has found it? Modern man perhaps? ‘I have got lost; I am everything that has got lost,’ sighs modern man. This modernity was our sickness: lazy peace, cowardly compromise, the whole virtuous uncleanliness of the modern Yes and No. … Rather live in the ice than among modern virtues and other south winds! We were intrepid enough, we spared neither ourselves nor others; but for a long time we did not know where to turn with our intrepidity. We became gloomy, we were called fatalists. Our fatum—abundance, tension, the damming of strength. We thirsted for lightning and deeds and were most remote from the happiness of the weakling, ‘resignation.’ In our atmosphere was a thunderstorm; the nature we are became dark—for we saw no way. Formula for our happiness: a Yes, a No, a straight line, a goal.” [Nietzsche, The Antichrist]

It should be clear that Odin and Apollon both are gods and friends to the Shaman.
And this gives to understand the difficult, painful and slow initiation process.

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The only true law is that which leads to freedom.

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I have a problem with the word “law”. I am an anarchist.
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I have a problem with the word “law”. I am an anarchist.
Agreed. I’ve become a lot more anarchistic myself recently.


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Im a constitutionalist, in that I believe law is required to keep people from making more laws.

The entire point of the constitution, leading up the article 9, is a resistance against government and central power.

So the law of the USA is originally this: you let me be or I shoot you in the head

very good law in fact.


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My stance is that every human that has force-applied into another humans bloodstream a shot of brain-chemistry altering drugs, must be put against the wall and executed. Thats the most merciful stance I can come up with for the pharma-gestapo.

The absolute worst are the people that think they are doing it for the persons own good. I cant express what I wish to do to them, for their own good.


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Indeed it is almost impossible to fathom those depraved depths.

A constitutionalist is a good way of understanding anarchy principle, I think.


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Yeah sure, it’s the lust for freedom to put it bluntly. The pathos is of ruggedness and comparable if it isnt European punkrockers, but anarchy nominally aims for the absence of central power - whereas Constitutionalism has power as a symbol to sanction its violence against those that infringe on the liberty of being.

Before these Koch brothers or whatever turned it into such a travesty wth Sarah Palin for gods sake, Libertarianism always had my sympathy. I like Ron Pauls consistency.

It will be amusing to start it up again and cover Trumps flank on the Right. We can show that Trump is in fact very moderate and placating.


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Yes precisely. It can be sufficient simply to say “you know Trump never said Mexicans are rapists right?”. The religion of anti-trump is as fragile and unreal as it is ugly.


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Fuck Palin and dumbass goons everywhere.


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I have a problem with the word “law”. I am an anarchist.
Agreed. I’ve become a lot more anarchistic myself recently.

But I’m not going to accept responsibility for that. Just sayin’.
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Im a constitutionalist, in that I believe law is required to keep people from making more laws.

The entire point of the constitution, leading up the article 9, is a resistance against government and central power.

So the law of the USA is originally this: you let me be or I shoot you in the head

very good law in fact.

Yeah, but things have changed since then. We are not allowed to shoot people any more.
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I have a problem with the word “law”. I am an anarchist.

I understand what you mean. I also have a problem with some words. One of them is being labeled a feminist when I am simply for rights on both sides, both men and women alike. Like many words, it has taken on a muddy connotation. We don’t wish to see individuals, only “sardines in a sardine can”.
What word then would you substitute for “law”?

Laws are logical, are they not?
Granted, they are not always logical or reasonable but if we do away with the more logical/reasonable ones, how long might our species survive?

Granted, laws can sometimes appear to be “fickle” – to name two, the prohibition law and the abortion law.
But on second glance, we can see the wisdom of overthrowing the first to give way for the second though nothing is black and white…and there is wisdom and practicality there - I almost shudder to say.


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Sisyphus wrote:
I have a problem with the word “law”. I am an anarchist.

I understand what you mean. I also have a problem with some words. One of them is being labeled a feminist when I am simply for rights on both sides, both men and women alike. Like many words, it has taken on a muddy connotation. We don’t wish to see individuals, only “sardines in a sardine can”.

I have never considered you a feminist. And I agree, equality amongst all people.

What word then would you substitute for “law”?

I have none. Well, maybe “limiters”.

Laws are logical, are they not?

No, not always. Anymore, not mostly.

Granted, they are not always logical or reasonable but if we do away with the more logical/reasonable ones, how long might our species survive?

I will admit that without laws many, perhaps even most, people would not do the right thing. Ten commandments were good enough for the Jews for a while. “Harm none” pretty much covers the need.

Granted, laws can sometimes appear to be “fickle” – to name two, the prohibition law and the abortion law.
But on second glance, we can see the wisdom of overthrowing the first to give way for the second though nothing is black and white…and there is wisdom and practicality there - I almost shudder to say.

What right does any government have to tell me what I can and cannot drink? What right does any government have to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her body?

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“People do ridiculous things, all the time.”

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“People do ridiculous things, all the time.”

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This is true. So the government says, “Let’s make a law forbidding these things.”

So now we have people doing ridiculous things but now they are also criminals.
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“I knew that if I hated high school, I was really gonna hate Vietnam.”
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Wait till you start looking at governments.

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I will be driving to see the solar eclipse in totality. It is not an option to not do this.

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I will be driving to see the solar eclipse in totality. It is not an option to not do this.

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Good for you!!! I considered it but opted out. But I am still leaving room to change my mind. It really wouldn’t be that much of a drive for me.
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8.21.2017 Total-solar-eclipse

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Great picture. Thanks.
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I didn’t go, because there were storms. I was going to drive about 5 hours to see it, but would have needed to drive 8-9 hours instead, to get clear skies, which was not doable. But I still saw a partial eclipse. It wasn’t that impressive though.


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Yeah, many things in life, if not edible, caressible, or fuckable really are very impressible.

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The above should read: “… aren’t very impressible.”
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Haha yeah I got that.

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Git more money, more money, git more money more money. Lol.

Gangsters and drug dealers are infinitely more honest than the Fed Reserve. The worst crime is not to sell drugs to people who want drugs (value), but to invent money out of thin air without reference to value made.


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This,

Must learn how to judge and pass sentence upon this,

Money is the beautiful flow of earthy value Federal-Reserve-Dee


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Fuck. I like the way you say that.


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Ive been listening to some rap now with the money keyword -
obviously when I got into it in the nineties that was the wrong thing to say,
to be commercial was evil -
haha.
Not that I ever wrote a single verse talking down on money or those who try to get it -
I just avoid the subject, until I started working with Pezer.
These lyrics we started writing last year, thats some juicy stuff, I cant quote them here as I still need to put them on record.
But thats when I awoke and found myself able to write some real hiphop.

If rap is to do what you say, its got to up its game.
So let analyze some money hounding hiphop for its merits and deficits.

What can be used, what needs still to be invented.

Ill use pairs or sets pertaining to a particular theme.

Theme 1:
Paris
as a signifier of serious, severe, post-ghetto wealth - the lure of European royalism as an expression of superior standards of prosperity - or if not superior, simply more enviable. “Player with a passport”.

A) A$AP Rocky - Goldie
B) Kanye West and Jay-Z - Niggas in Paris

A

B


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Yes definitely. I like how Kanye is turning rap toward a more complex political position. He and others need to step up and support Trump more. Then there is another rapper I can’t remember who, who was interviewed about black lives matter and said he hated them. Lol.


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I want to see major label rap songs about how to tear down the Fed Reserve and return money and currency coining to the people. About how money is representation of value made, and about how selling drugs and hoes is infinitely more noble than selling treasury securities.


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But selling treasury securities isn’t bad either. Creating money without reference to value made can still be justified if in reference to future value to be made. What is bad is when this gets out of control and vampirizes its own future-valuing.

Modern leftist financials are about this vampirizing. Sucking the future of life for the sake of immediate gain.


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Yes, I think taxation is essentially the problem that stands in the way of philanthropy, which is what Id cal investment in the production of actual valuables.

If only the government would let its money work on the market a bit more intelligently, there would not be a need for taxation at all.
There should be government agencies that simply exist to invest in foreign markets so as to both stimulate the desired industries and to increase the national budget. Im sure this is being done, but it doesn’t seem to be going well. I suspect that this is because of a reluctance to invest in foreign economies, especially the Chinese one. Its been successful with Japan, but China is considered an enemy - whereas China does use this strategy on the US, where it buys up its ports where it can. Of course the Chinese are more protective of their own stuff, but on the other hand I am certain that there are ways in which they would welcome American capital. It would have to be invested in a sector that is meant to grow with American expertise.

Investment is very hard to make profitable inside ones own holdings - the American economy may have become too convoluted, coiled up to reduce its deficits. It should pool up in several tectonic knots of the world economy, and rather than use military threats, use investment strategies in South America. There is a lot to be gained there, if it is approached so that it can respond; in a chivalrous manner, threatening with respect, as Snoop did to New York to soothe their anger.


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Thrasymachus wrote:
Git more money, more money, git more money more money. Lol.

Gangsters and drug dealers are infinitely more honest than the Fed Reserve. The worst crime is not to sell drugs to people who want drugs (value), but to invent money out of thin air without reference to value made.

Yes, I too like the way you said that.

But there are many who believe they were born for the government to take care of. What can the government do but create money to give to these worthless people? Did that sound harsh? I wish I could say “Sorry” but I can’t; it would be a lie.

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The depth of money is not really understood. Existential depth. Money concentrates valuing power in the same way that love does. Money is a pressure on the soul which evokes power and will. It would be impossible to do something for money that we did not already want to do.


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Reminded me of the quote; I will likely misquote it and I don’t remember who said it:

Man cannot do that which his soul will not allow.

If earned honestly, money can oftentimes be used to determine a man’s worth. To steal my money is basically destroying a part of my gross worth.

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Theft is indeed a grave sin. This is why many businesses fail. Greed is fine so long as one contains it and prevents it from causing one to steal. When greed leads to theft, greed is death personified.

The impulse to steal is a psychological ruination. It has causes but those are less important. Having causes is not very interesting, since everything has them.


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Thrasymachus wrote:
Theft is indeed a grave sin. This is why many businesses fail. Greed is fine so long as one contains it and prevents it from causing one to steal. When greed leads to theft, greed is death personified.

The impulse to steal is a psychological ruination. It has causes but those are less important. Having causes is not very interesting, since everything has them.

Yeah, the older I get the more I am offended by theft, doesn’t matter who is doing it or their reasons why. (Although I would make exceptions for the extremely poor.) And this includes scamming people out of their money.
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Money is a symbol of the will to power Middle world between the necessity of acting and the necessity of knowing.


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There’s not many places on this planet where a person needs no money in order to live equally with the rest of that society.

I don’t produce my own food or manufacture any of my own clothing. I must somehow pay someone else for doing that for me.

But, money is only a means to an end, not an end in itself.

What good is the money if you are not going to use it?
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Thrasymachus wrote:

Money is a symbol of the will to power Middle world between the necessity of acting and the necessity of knowing.

“Bank Roll Mafia”.

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I’m interested in a phenomenon I learned about recently.

Medium and large branches, as well as small trunks, are arranged in a circular like fashion around a tree or small group of trees sorrounding an outcrop of rocks. A string of some sort having belonged to a personas is tied around one of the branches.

What do you think about this?
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Little other thought than that I want to do it.
Few things feel cleaner than working with such materials, and this sounds potent.

Unfortunately there are no rocks to speak of here, in this land below sea level -
and hardly any space to do such things in private.

What if any is the special purpose to this ritual?


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We’ll have to find out in practice.


" The strong do what they can do and the weak accept what they have to accept. "

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PostSubject: Re: Viking rituals Viking rituals Icon_minitimeTue Jun 26, 2018 7:36 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Actually, it is some fuckfaces crowding on my shit. I am in the process of dismantling it.

I know enough about witchcraft to know that if a personal effect is involved, it is usually some kind of curse anyway. Plus the dudes I noticed working on it where skinny jean wearing hipster looking motherfuckers.
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PostSubject: Re: Viking rituals Viking rituals Icon_minitimeTue Jun 26, 2018 9:09 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
where is this?


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PostSubject: Re: Viking rituals Viking rituals Icon_minitimeTue Jun 26, 2018 1:36 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
A wood atop a hill.

Bullshit.