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PostSubject: Eurofascism Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:57 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
In the EU there are laws against speech that is offensive or insensitive. You can actually go to prison for saying something “rude” or “mean”, if the right person overhears you and takes you to court.
But why is there not a clause embedded in the law that stipulates if something offensive/insensitive is also true then the saying cannot be considered criminal?
Obviously such laws should not exist at all. But given that they do exist, because apparently most Europeans are pussies, these laws should at least have clauses allowing for such statements to be legally made provided that the statements can be demonstrably considered true. Namely, if you are taken to court over something you said or wrote, you should be able to defend yourself by showing that what you said happens to be true. I don’t think that is how it currently works, though.
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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism Sat Mar 11, 2017 12:52 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
The more laws a society has the more criminals that society will have.
Governments are beginning to negate the need for gods.
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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:37 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Why the fuck do Europeans not demand the right to freedom of speech? Is this simply holocaust guilt, or what?
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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:13 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
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Why the fuck do Europeans not demand the right to freedom of speech? Is this simply holocaust guilt, or what?
Which speech laws are you referring to?
I know of the law against incitement to hate, which goes for representatives. Its a dangerous law, but it doesn’t really curb free speech.
It’s just that the people themselves don’t allow thinking in their midst.
World Wars in Europe is far worse a trauma than merely the holocaust, and these wars are absolutely great part of the reason of European apprehension before people-power - as Parodites had correctly identified that these two wars were peoples wars.
An entire generation of men was sacrificed in WWI, just to have an equally bad war ensue. People dont want this ever again, so they shun nationalistic aggression at all cost.
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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:25 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
The problem in Europe is not with authorities. These are simply symptoms of the craziness that has wrecked through the various attempts at permanent civilization that different peoples made.
The problem is rather that there is no aim, no objective.
This is an essential unfreedom, inability to speak. There is nothing to say.
What would be most beneficial for Europe right now is a Philosophy of the Future.
It speaks for itself that my plan for Europe as Ive outlined and detailed it in the past years, in videos and posts, is to my eyes the best plan. In fact it is the only way Ive ever seen that could lead forward.
Three pointers:
France leaves EU
Italy takes more prominance
Germany is conditioned to reality through Amsterdam
Center of the actually European Union is the following:
The Rome-Amsterdam Axis
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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:29 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
I’ve heard of peoole being fined or imprisoned for saying politically incorrect things, or for denying the Holocaust or putting up a swastika for example. Let Pen had her “immunity” retroactively cancelled so she could be sued for having posted about ISIS violence. I’ve heard plenty of similar stories. But yeah you’re right that the peoole just don’t tolerate it, they repress themselves. But I believe what is needed is a near-absolute guarantee to free speech and free press at all costs, as a primary value and legal principle. People should know they are not at danger from saying something unpopular.
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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:36 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
You are right, there are more conditions than in the US - and representatives do indeed not have total freedom of speech. In a sense the attacks on Trump are similar - the truth is always illegal, as legality is always a primordial crime.
Regardless, nothing can be imposed on the Europeans from the outside.
Europe must be reformed by a European, from the inside.
I’m willing to state that Europe will simply not be free without my plan, period.
Thus: there is no point discussing Euro-affairs in any other terms than this plan.
France and Germany can never function under the same standards. That is far more certain than that “A” = “A”, it is actual value ontology.
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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:46 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
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I’ve heard of peoole being fined or imprisoned for saying politically incorrect things, or for denying the Holocaust or putting up a swastika for example. Let Pen had her “immunity” retroactively cancelled so she could be sued for having posted about ISIS violence. I’ve heard plenty of similar stories. But yeah you’re right that the peoole just don’t tolerate it, they repress themselves. But I believe what is needed is a near-absolute guarantee to free speech and free press at all costs, as a primary value and legal principle. People should know they are not at danger from saying something unpopular.
In fact most muslims are denying the holocaust, but Ive not seen anyone imprisoned for that.
Freedom of speech that is used and turned to mass-lying by perverted political wills allows a lot of actual victims in Europe to be quite destroyed and robbed of honor.
Freedom is never a beginning. It is a result of strength. Freedom of speech belongs to sane people. Insane people aren’t free in their mind/heart, thus freedom of speech doesnt apply to them.
In fact Europe could use a lot more coercion and actual top down rulership - but not from Brussels, but from Rome and Amsterdam.
Hail Caesar…
What saved the US is the Strong Man. Same for Russia. And it is precisely that type of human that’s been feared in Europe as the hallmark of fascism.
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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:07 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Freedom as a result of strength, yes. The imposition of a legal order is required, the uncomfortable truth is that the basic guarantee is one of primordial force. Once such a system is set up it becomes convenient to forget this fact.
Trump galvanized people, I see him as a sign of what America wanted-needed. Europe could have the same thing if not for Europe’s stupid parliamentary coalition government systems. Those systems prevent true democracy qua representation as binary 1/0 decision-making, thus politics in Europe could in theory never act as a mind and mirror for societies in the general sense.
Freedom also creates its own luck, its own possibilities. The future is infinite even a few iterations forward in time, and legal freedom recognizes this basic fact and that fact’s connection to vitality and valuing, to the possibility for a flourishing life.
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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:19 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
First of all we need to stop pretending Europe is unity or entity of any sort like a nation. There is little or in common between Ireland and Spain or Holland and Poland. There is no European self-valuing. There should never be European law. The idea of a European constitution has been rejected by all peoples in referendums, and that was ignored. It doesn’t really legally exist to my mind, nor should or will it.
All Europe can be is a texture of vastly differing and fundamentally independent nation states, a group of which invented the nation state, the national identity.
In 100 years, some European countries will be world powers again, whereas others will not even exist anymore.
There is no such thing as Europe in political terms.
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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:38 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Yes that makes sense. I use the term Europe primarily for convenience, but I see the danger you mention, of assuming too much homogeneity amongst the various nations and cultures there.
I remember when the Euro currency was first introduced, it was after I had already been to Italy and spent their lira while there. I wasn’t that old yet, but I remember being deeply offended at the idea that these countries and peoples were being forced to abandon their unique currencies for a common one. It still feels offensive to me.
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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:10 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Yes, all our currencies were beautiful.
Google “gulden biljetten”.
To assume France and Germany are under one value roof is to assume the US and Iran are identical.
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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:16 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Wow you are right, very nice currency.
Point taken about France and Germany.
Here in the US I hear a lot of alarmism that the collapse of the Euro/EU would be an economic disaster for the US and to dollar, but I honestly don’t believe that. But honestly the EU is falling apart regardless. I’m still somewhat shocked that European nations actually allowed the EU and the Euro in the first place.
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It was a sudden decision really, it felt like. It just happened.
As of this week I am aiming for a relinquishing of France from the Euro, as France is stronger without the EU and the EU is more of a well oilable machine without France.
Return to national currencies will not necessarily be of interest to the central Euro axis, in the current political climate. We can’t go back - there must be some continuation of the functionality - i.e. the riches that have been acquired can’t be squandered. Too much is lost already - cutting our losses has started with Brexit and is going to happen, sensibly, with France, or otherwise I just don’t see the possibility of improvement. But Germany, Austria, Italy, the Netherlands and Sweden could form a deeply functional axis.
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This is precisely what I was talking about, no concept of freedom of speech whatsoever. If you can’t protect unpopular speech then no speech is safe.
mobile.reuters.com/article/techn … SKBN16L14G
"Germany already has some of the world’s toughest hate speech laws covering defamation, slander, public incitement to commit crimes and threats of violence, backed up by prison sentences for Holocaust denial or inciting hatred against minorities. It now aims to update these rules for the social media age.
…“We do not want an internet police or thought control,” the council’s president, Josef Schuster, said. “But when hatred is stoked, and the legal norms in our democracy threaten to lose their relevance, then we need to intervene.”
Wow.
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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:48 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
“When hatred is stoked”… translation: when you say something that the ruling establishment doesn’t want you to say.
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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:50 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Political correctness is the worst fucking disease imaginable, a true disease of language. Politics-legality is acting as a parasite infesting language; it breeds larva, goo-humans.
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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:44 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Yes, that is fascism.
It shouldn’t surprise us really, the Germans never had any other tendencies.
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ok check out this barbie of the third reich.
Not the guy in the thumbnial, that is Wilders, who knows what it means to have values. His opponent, who is hired for one reason alone: to get muslims to vote for his party. He has alientated most muslims as well as most socialists. Here again, he instantly begins to demonize Wilders in terms even more grotesque than a Calligula speech. This is the sort of man you need to imagine if you want to understand Brussels.
This is Wilders vs Asscher, who has made the soclal democrat party plummet but still manages to be arrogant.
If there is a contest for soul-lessness, he leads the charts in the Netherlands.
Look at him.
Mussolinis favorite pet.
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^ Haha, fuck yeah.
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Polish PM stands firm for truth, despite threats from EU:
"“I hear in Europe very often: do not connect the migration policy with terrorism, but it is impossible not to connect them,” the Polish premier told the TVN24 broadcasting network.
Poland’s governing Law and Justice Party (PiS) is currently locked in a struggle with the EU’s unelected executive, the European Commission, over its refusal to accept 6,200 migrants under a bloc-wide mandatory quota system, which was imposed despite the resistance of much of Central Europe.
“If some of them do not comply,” he warned, “the Commission has the power [and] the tools to convince these countries.”
The bloc wishes to fine member-states €250,000 for every migrant they refuse to receive – a sanction which would cost Poland billions, but be difficult to impose.
Swedish MEP Cecilia Wikström has proposed simply withholding funds from ‘troublesome’ countries – a punishment which would be easier to implement.
Poland has taken a similarly no-nonsense stance after other European terror events, with interior minister Mariusz Błaszczak declaring in no uncertain terms that “well-organised marches” and “painted flowers on the sidewalks” are no solution to Europe’s terror crisis after the Bastille Day truck attack in Nice, France.
“We must reject political correctness and call things by their true names,” he said. “Rather than shedding tears like [European Union High Representative Federica] Mogherini [and] organising marches that solve nothing, authorities should ensure the safety of citizens.”
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Soros-funded NGOs and EU politicians sneaking in backdoor thought crime legislation in Ireland:
“If you want to know who rules over you, find the people you’re not allowed to criticize.”
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Feminists and women finally waking up to what radical Islamic immigration represents for them:
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It is very possible that at one point China will begin methodically eradicating Islam. Coldly, without any human consideration, as one approaches a pest. Islam controls much of the resources they feel entitled to.
I googled around a bit (whats the alternative engine you used, something with duck?) on this subject, to see if anyone has similar thinking as Ive been having since a muslim generals son explained to me a few primordial fears of Islam, and ran into this Christians blog article, which conveys the same sort of idea.
shoebat.com/2015/06/30/china-ban … -complain/
China wants world-dominion, not a monopoly, but it knows itself a primacy of the Earth. Eventually Islam, as it grows larger, dumber, uglier and more of a nuisance, will just come to stand in its way. Which is an unfortunate position, to stand in the way of China’s idea of progress.
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The danger of censorship is that by censoring something you stop your own ability to properly attack and discredit it, because you don’t need to anymore-- you can simply throw the other guys in prison. Censorship actually strengthens the censored positions, because it means they aren’t being challenged openly by facts and in the free market of ideas. Censorship also gives the impression that whatever is censored is dangerous, which makes it more interesting to people… “how is this dangerous, why? What is going on in this viewpoint here that is so threatening? Why isn’t anyone actually arguing against it? Maybe they don’t have good arguments against it, could that be the reason?” Etc. goes the thinking of people.
I am a strong defender of free speech. The test of free speech is whether or not unpopular and offensive speech is also protected, because if it isn’t then there isn’t actually any freedom of speech at all. Censorship is enforced by a particular government and positions and people in power, and the perspective and narrative of those people is going to determine what is free or unfree speech.
Look at all the holocaust denial stuff for example, these viewpoints and the people who hold them aren’t going away just because Europe has made it a crime to say such things. European censorship is strengthening that which is censored, both directly and indirectly. But that is a secondary argument; the primary argument is of course that freedom of speech is a basic universal human right and if you don’t like what someone else is saying then you can either argue against it with your own speech or you can choose not to associate with that person and just walk away. That is a properly human, rational position based on self-respect and the refusal to use force against others merely because you don’t like what they are saying.
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The danger of censorship is that by censoring something you stop your own ability to properly attack and discredit it, because you don’t need to anymore-- you can simply throw the other guys in prison. Censorship actually strengthens the censored positions, because it means they aren’t being challenged openly by facts and in the free market of ideas. Censorship also gives the impression that whatever is censored is dangerous, which makes it more interesting to people… “how is this dangerous, why? What is going on in this viewpoint here that is so threatening? Why isn’t anyone actually arguing against it? Maybe they don’t have good arguments against it, could that be the reason?” Etc. goes the thinking of people.
Good points. It’s how Trump won the elections, by being censored.
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I am a strong defender of free speech. The test of free speech is whether or not unpopular and offensive speech is also protected, because if it isn’t then there isn’t actually any freedom of speech at all. Censorship is enforced by a particular government and positions and people in power, and the perspective and narrative of those people is going to determine what is free or unfree speech.
Yes, absolutely, Im with you.
If a society cant withstand free speech, it is already dead.
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Look at all the holocaust denial stuff for example, these viewpoints and the people who hold them aren’t going away just because Europe has made it a crime to say such things.
The opposite indeed.
Italy has always freely published Mein Kampf and has an untroubled fascist segment, and probably because of this no one is actually denying the Holocaust. At worst some argue that it was a good thing, I suppose. Most will disagree, so case closed.
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European censorship is strengthening that which is censored, both directly and indirectly. But that is a secondary argument; the primary argument is of course that freedom of speech is a basic universal human right and if you don’t like what someone else is saying then you can either argue against it with your own speech or you can choose not to associate with that person and just walk away. That is a properly human, rational position based on self-respect and the refusal to use force against others merely because you don’t like what they are saying.
Its not even a basic human right (as rights, by nature, cant be all that basic, since all possible rights contradict certain other possible rights, thus legality is always a mess) but a basic human property. Without free speech, humanity is not.
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Fantastic point… not a right but a property. Yes. I said “right” in so far as the freedom to speak without repercussions of legal force and censorship is paramount to the kinds of beings that we are; I see rights as simply expressions of the facts of the kinds of beings that we are. Governments do not give rights, governments either acknowledge the rights we naturally have (own, as you point out) or fail to do so.
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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:43 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
The notion of God-given rights comes closest to this, saying God-given rights is just another way of saying that these ‘rights’ are integral to what we are. No one “gives” them. We had to invent and tie this to a divinity figure in order to articulate it properly, at least 250 years ago.
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Right, so a basic human right should be interpreted as any state or activity that one can not impede without reducing the being from a nominal human to something less.
This means we can define the human being in terms of its natural activities, rather than merely as a list of biological attributes. So we can define a human being in terms of a human life. Thats a big leap forward.
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Yes, this is truly a breakthrough.
Right is a word, concept, just like Being is.
As humans, we have the right (duty qua full humanity!) to interpret our concept of Human Right in the most responsible way.
That means to derive it directly from what in our most profound explication of our valuing, a Human Being is. Whatever this is, it must be expressed by us in Rights.
In as far as General Rights go, that is integral to whatever we conclude about General Being(s).
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Right, so a basic human right should be interpreted as any state or activity that one can not impede without reducing the being from a nominal human to something less.
This means we can define the human being in terms of its natural activities, rather than merely as a list of biological attributes. So we can define a human being in terms of a human life. Thats a big leap forward.
Yes absolutely… I used to be somewhat intuitively against the idea of ownership, I remember writing about this in DFIOS, and I ended up going back and re-writing that section because my thoughts changed on it. I regret that the version Pezer has still has the old writing in it, because I recall he was also a proponent of this notion of ownership being significant.
Ownership is simply the basic category of the individual; we ‘own’ ourselves, our speech, our thoughts, our emotions, out behaviors, our tendencies, our goals… and as you point out, this isn’t simply a static biological sort of property but is rather that which we are as natural activities, as human life so-called. We are self-valuing, which logically necessitates a whole host of related properties and attributes and requirements. All of these “owned” things come from values.
Ownership is key. Ownership is simply an extension of self-responsibility, the ability to dispose of something according to how we want to do that. Of course ownership/property are abstract concepts, it isn’t as if we really literally “own” in a metaphysical sense, but rather the entire notion of ownership is like the logical basis-structure for how we as self-valuing act and enact in the world; ownership is the abstract dimension of being, but tectonically-speaking it is quite physical and not at all “merely abstract”. Therefore the philosophical or legal recognition of the idea of ownership and property is just a way of setting that sort of being which we are properly on track with the sort of living, requirements and expectations that are essential for us.
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Ownership is key. Ownership is simply an extension of self-responsibility,
Wow, this is the core essence. This brings us finally onto the bridge from valuing to value - what makes valuing valuable, a first tectonics.
I’d even leave out the ‘self-’ - it is an extension of responsibility.
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A selfvaluing is a value to other selfvaluigs on account of its responsibility for its values.
Thereby it both stabilizes itself, and makes itself predictable and potentially accountable, and it creates the possibility for other valuings to recognize those values it upholds as its responsibility, and value them also. Cosmos is the result. Or: economy.
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“The Identitarian Movement, which has around 500 members, promotes “traditional national values” and is also strongly opposed to illegal immigration into Europe. The movement said their Friday protest targeted Justice Minister Heiko Maas and his proposed law, which received a first reading on Friday, designed to force social media platforms to quickly remove unlawful, offensive comments.“Justice Minister Heiko Maas is dissatisfied with the already existing censorship on Facebook and Twitter, and would now force these companies to take even more rigorous action against what the German government does not want to see on social networks,” the group said in a statement.The Identitarians last made headlines in August when they climbed the landmark Brandenburg Gate, hanging a banner on the monument reading “Secure borders, secure future.”The anti-immigrant movement is monitored by domestic intelligence agency BfV for becoming increasingly radical and possibly breaching Germany’s laws on xenophobia.”
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breitbart.com/london/2017/05 … -migrants/
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Nazis with masks. Anything negative said against the governments’ policies is in violation of the law. So much for free speech.
But then, the Germanys were never all that good at free speech anyway.
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Nazis with masks. Anything negative said against the governments’ policies is in violation of the law. So much for free speech.
But then, the Germanys were never all that good at free speech anyway.
Which is the reason Nietzsche never speaks of his contemporaries holding the powers of his own country, which were rather significant to the coming century of war.
Bismarck was Nietzsche’s contemporary, and it is evident how much respect N has for him if you read between the lines -
He was himself from Prussia as well.
Not much is spoken of this tie, weirdly. It seems far more important than his relation to Wagner.
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Which is the reason Nietzsche never speaks of his contemporaries holding the powers of his own country, which were rather significant to the coming century of war.
Bismarck was Nietzsche’s contemporary, and it is evident how much respect N has for him if you read between the lines -
He was himself from Prussia as well.
Not much is spoken of this tie, weirdly. It seems far more important than his relation to Wagner.
Yes, I did notice the respect N had for Bismarck. (I am Prussian on my mother’s side (Yunker).)
And I agree, his link with Wagner was only via the arts. When Wagner became openly anti-Semitic the link was broken.
I can’t recall N ever being negative toward Bismarck or the trend of the government.
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You are half Prussian? Delightful!
If you havent, watch this movie. Ive rarely watched, no strike that, Ive never watched an American film that was this straightforwardly informative.
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I haven’t seen that yet. I’ll put it on my list of things to do. Thanks.
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I think Eurodeath is a clear indication of the consequences of Marxism. These socialist countries have become disconnected from reality, that is what socialism means. Disconnect from reality and call that a virtue. Really that is all leftism means, at least in current form. Classical liberalism actually values reality, but Marx fucked that up for everyone.
Swedes and Germans and French and Dutch and English simply cannot reason or even feel something like the danger they are facing. They no longer live in the real world. They apologize when their own people get raped and killed, and talk about tolerating rape and murder, where they actually acknowledge it’s even happening which isn’t often. Lemmings with VR headsets is the current ideal.
I would guess the only method for bringing people back to reality would be war. It’s sad this has to be the case but I can’t imagine anything less will work.
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EU imposing sanctions against three European nations over their refusal to allow their countries to be destroyed by mass immigration,
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To the Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland I say: nice work. Congrats on having some balls, and keep it up. The USA is with you on this one.
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Yesterday I welcomed a new member to the Daoist forum. He live in Greece. Said there weren’t many Greeks left. Most seem to be moving out of the Muslim nation.
Seems that the Persians have finally defeated the Greeks.
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Europe defeated itself. Marx is the new god now, a pure deathgod.
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This is indeed half about the ME empires feeling entitled to owning Europe, theyve always said it, in recent years they screamed for Rome.
That Greek was likely exaggerating, Greeks are rather proud and, as we know, they’ve endured many, many more occupations than any other European nation. From the Romans to the Nazis, they’re used to being oppressed. They dealt with the nazis more bravely than most, and I expect them to fight through this the coming centuries.
Europe has however indeed defeated itself. Another way of saying what happened is that Germany managed to win the war in the end. It is now like it would have been in the Third Reich: anyone who says anything against Germany policies and German ideas will suffer the wrath of the entire horde, that the population has been turned into.
But Germany can only defeat itself too - it has no temperament for enjoyment. Once it has sufficiently weakened the rest, the war will start.
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