The philosophy and impotence of scientific methodology

Science, as we know, is a social movement that makes a robotic methodology out of human methodical behaviour. This is why science cannot “kickstart”.

Scientific “methodology” is technically impotent, and lacks the insight and raison d’etre that accompanies ordinary “methodical behaviour”.

Technical developments are not initiated by the robotic method of science. Technical developments are made possible, not by a method, but by living, human, methodical behaviour. Methodical behaviour, and not scientific method, provides the creativity, anecdote, and raison d’etre that kickstarts and maintains technical development.

I’ve read a lot of your posts, so I think I’m qualified in saying that while I respect your efforts, they’re simply too simple. You’re making caricatures out of extremely complicated issues, and this topic takes the cake. The philosophy of science is one of the most technical fields of philosophy out there, and while you bring up some typical (and atypical) criticisms of the scientific method, to hand-waive it away as “impotent” is intellectually dishonest. The unnecessary and convoluted philosophical jargon doesn’t help your case, either.

Either way, you’re correct about one thing: science is not passive and private, as most assume, but rather active and public. No one ever “jumps in” to a scientific inquiry; there is always some motivating impetus driving the discovery, and some natural bias and prejudice that permeate into the search.

(…and an accidental double post. Is there no way to delete messages? Forgive me for being a total newbie!)

Editing a double post to say just ‘double post’ is the usual MO around here. Otherwise if you want a post deleted, you can PM me/another mod and ask; for something like a double post it’s no problem.

There are no scientific discoveries, for the method of science precludes it.

Also, there is no technical discourse that doesn’t rely, in the first instance, on ordinary concepts and language. So I’m not impressed by this appeal to technicality.

There is no scientific enquiry, there is only enquiry. Again, the method of science precludes it.

So what differentiates a (in your view non-scientific) discovery/inspiration/creative act that is subsequently empirically validated by the scientific method, and one that is not?

And what is enquiry called when it employs the method of science, if not scientific enquiry?

I don’t think you understand what scientific methodology is, since you seem to think it is incompatible with ‘non-robotic’ human activity.

Have you ever worked in the field? Met any scientists? Actually researched this subject?

Then how the hell do you know?

Science can become institutionalised but at essence it thrives on contention and always has.

“Science is but one death after another.”

Niels Bohr.

What is impotent these days is philosophy in many areas, which is why it rails against science for being more useful than it.

Scientists are people by the way in case you hadn’t noticed. :stuck_out_tongue:

Creativity is as important to science as an engine is to a car, scientific method only seeks to determine which ideas are valid and which are not. If you see this as useless, I suggest the problem lies with your narrow world view not science.

This is drivel quite frankly. Scientific method attempts to make something subjective more objective, that is all it is supposed to do. Creativity is as vital a part of the process and a part of the scientific method as the sun is to life on Earth.

You need to look up something by Karl Popper maybe and you’ll find there are examples of how hypotheses or ideas that can be tested, are fundamental to theories.

There is no distinction between creative processes and science at all.

But as Einstein said “Science is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration.”

Science is founded on ideas, crazy or not, right or wrong it is the bedrock of scientific method.

Quite perhaps a quick google of the scientific method would clear up all these misconceptions of what it is and is not.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

plato.stanford.edu/entries/popper/

Poppers ideas are seen as pivotal in defining what modern scientific method is about and what it is not. Although he has his nay sayers, basically the approach popper took is the same approach scientists take today pretty much.

That’s why I am right. There is no scientific method that can lead to a discovery. The idea that we start scientific enquiry by “asking questions” leaves out all the essential prior work that comes from intuition, need and anecdote.

All discoveries are anecdotal, but science forbids anecdote.

Speculation leads to discovery. Scientific method describes or validates it. However, I would think the construction of a hypothesis amounts to speculation in this context.

Also, since when does science forbid anecdote? Both the “asking questions” and “doing research” portions shouldn’t necessarily exclude anecdote, if even for possible consideration.

Hows-a-bout the story of Newton and the apple, for instance?

How do you figure?

Nonsense! There isn’t a method for speculation, and certainly not the method of science.

Science forbids anecdote: “its anecdotal!” has always been science’s cry that attends the scuppering of an idea that isn’t statistically presented within the confines of theory.

I don’t see any connection between Newton and the apple, and science.

So your taking everything that makes science strong and trying to make that into a weakness. Pretty lame.

The scientific method is destructive, not creative. That’s precisely why it’s not impotent. The fact that you have the technology available to have conversations with people across the world in real time is a derivative of the scientific method selecting only those ideas for communication that were reliable and reproducible.

A scientific discovery is simply a discovery that withstands scientific testing. Not one that springs forth unbidden from a statistical analysis or a test tube.

I think a ‘philosophy of science’ could get a bit further than this, to be honest.

Jones,

Why don’t you read a little history of the development of chaos theory? Your OP is missing the mark of scientific inquiry by a couple thousand miles. The development of chaos theory covers years, scores of dedicated theorists and practicioners from several fields of science, mathematicians, and yes, philosophers. The work done by these people created a new paradigm for physicists and forever changed the way physics is taught. This is just one example. There are others. You are either ignorant of scientific development or willfully ignoring it.

There is no procedure for getting an original idea.
If Chaos theory is an original idea then the idea is not down to the procedure of science.

  • even if the fringe movement that calls itself “Science” declares it to be so.

Scientists shouldn’t call discoveries “scientific” as discoveries arise from our natural, untrained resources.

A scientific discovery is simply a discovery that withstands scientific testing.

Keep rereading that until it sinks in.

Oh for hells sake. Is THAT the best you’ve got? You’re right. ALL original ideas start with human curiosity. That isn’t science. But when prior science discoveries spur curiosity and questions that are best answered by further scientifc inquiry, then we can easily point to science as the prime motivator. Knowledge isn’t one monolithic block, it is brick mortered on top of brick. If all you’re saying is that that novelty and sponteniety is separate from the method of inquiry, then you are absolutely right - about nothing important. Scientific methodology provides the bits and pieces of which insight can best take advantage.

This is just rubbish. A “discovery” has no such stipulations.

Either way, the scientific method is generally applied after a discovery – it wasn’t created in the interest of discovery, but of explanation. That doesn’t mean discoveries are not made in the process, though.

Some guy discovers a dinosaur bone. Scientists may then apply methodology to that discovery in order to obtain information, but may discover new information [or even a new method] in the process.