The possibilities of becoming

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I have a few days and here I am…

Philosophy always has to have a starting point…
We can have a multitude of starting points…But human
beings have but one starting point, and that is of needs…
and in this idea of needs, what is/should be the ending point or
goal? what is the step after our needs are met?

We get a sense of that by the ones/human beings we value
and build statues to… and that would be the Gandhi’s, MLK,
Goethe, Shakespeare’s of the world… and what is the lesson
learned from these thinkers and writers? one way to look at
it is that this is a question of morality, ethics…
How are we to treat others? As I have noted in my ‘‘Ich und Du’’
thread, that by treating people as ‘‘Du’’, we treat them
as fellow human beings, with respect and dignity and
tolerance…in other words, we treat people with value…
and that is morality/ethics within du… we treat others as
human beings with needs… and the point of existence is
to fulfill those needs… but what is, what is the next step
after our needs are fulfilled? It isn’t enough to fulfill our needs,
we must take the next step…

the next question becomes the question of a Zero Sum Game…
America today is playing the Zero Sum Game… in a Zero
Sum Game is where all participants are in direct opposition…
opposed to each other… but that sounds very familiar…
Hobbes ‘‘State of Nature’’ where the ‘‘State of Nature’’
is a lawless, chaotic, violent war of all against all,
where life is ‘‘Solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short’’
I am in competition with the others in my state/society
for the resources I need to survive… and that is almost
a perfect description of capitalism… both a Zero Sum Game
and Hobbes ‘‘State of Nature’’

One does note that much of the ‘‘needs’’ of our modern day
American is manufactured by advertising and the media…
the American dream of a house in the burbs, with two kids
and a dog name Rouf… that ‘‘dream’’ was a manufactured
by those who would profit from that dream…

In reality, we human beings can get by with extremely
few goods/things… we can survive without a car or a house
or fame, money, titles, material goods or power…
What are the bottom line necessities of being human?
Air, food, water, shelter, education and health care…
and the human being need, unlike other animals,
psychological needs, such as safety/security, esteem,
a sense of belonging, love ( love is the one thing that
has both a psychological need and a physical need)

the thing about being human is that we must meet our
needs, or we are no longer human… we become
animal… animals are unable to escape or change from
their own instincts… a dog cannot be anything but a dog…
it must do dog things… as is a cat… but a human being,
they are not as limited as animals… we have both
possibilities and we have choice…
My own choices have changed as I have grown older…
I can no longer run or play sports, as I did as a kid/young
adult, but I have other possibilities I can seek out…
for example, I can seek out the possibility of me becoming
a great philosopher… that is still possible for me, while
running a 4-minute mile is no longer possible for me…
I cannot backpack as I once did, but I can travel…
I can relearn German, as I intend to do once I retire…
that is still possible for me…
but animals, they don’t have possibilities as human beings do…
a dog can only be a dog, it isn’t possible for a dog to
have other possibilities as human beings do…
and what is possible for me, changes as I have grown older..
physically, mentally, psychologically, philosophically…
but our physical needs changes as does our
psychological needs change… I no longer seek out
validations that once drove me as a young man…
like me, dislike me, hate me, love me, at this point,
I don’t really care… it is no longer a need I seek to
have validated for me…Our physical/bodily needs
also change as we age… I don’t eat anywhere near
as much as I used to, I have changed how much
water I now drink, I have changed my diet and how
I exercise… we have to adapt and change our needs
as we grow older… life is, at its heart, a series
of adaptations and changes that we must navigate in
order to meet our needs… and the question becomes,
what happens after our needs are met?

We should engage with the possibilities that exists
within us…or as Nietzsche said, ‘‘To become who we are’’…
but that leads us to ‘‘Ich und Du’’… to be treated as ‘‘Du’’
and not ‘‘es’’ other, we must help others become who
they are… as we attempt to become who we are…
to achieve our possibilities… the two ideas are connected…
to become who we are and the seeking out our possibilities…
therein lies the next step after achieving our own needs,
to achieve/become who we are and we do that by
seeking out our possibilities…
to seek out what is possible for us to achieve…

and the damaging idea of seeking out the trinkets
of existence, how does seeking out fame or titles,
or power, or material goods, help us become who we are?
How does seeking out material goods help us find out
what is possible for us… or how does fame help us
become who we are? to become our possibilities?

does the way we treat people, to treat them as ‘‘Du’’ instead
of ‘‘Es’’, how does that help us, help them? it allows others
to become who they are, by treating them as
‘‘es’’, which is other… which denies people their right to
become who they are… to treat people as ‘‘es’’ is
to deny them their own becoming who they are and
deny them their own possibilities… for making people
‘‘es’’ is to force others into becoming something they
are not… it is the denial of ‘‘du’’ when we force
people to be ‘‘es’’…

so, what is the moral/ethical thing to do, as a human
being? to treat others as ‘‘du’’ and not as ‘‘es’’,
this allows human beings the chance to become who
they are, instead of becoming who I demand they must be…
by treating people as ‘‘du’’ we allow people not only to
become who they are, but to engage with, seek out
their own possibilities… which is exactly what I want
for myself… to become who I am and to seek out
what is possible for me… and that is the goal, to
allow others the choice, possibility to become who they
are, on their own terms, not on mine…
to seek out what is possible for them, on their own
terms, and not on my terms… to treat others as
‘‘du’’ and not as ‘‘es’’ which to define others
as I decide, not as they decide…

What is possible for you? what choices do you have?
how does one become who they are? All of this is
possible if, if we treat others as ‘‘du’’ and not ‘‘es’’…

Kropotkin

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part of the problems, among other problems,
is that the ‘‘philosophy’’ offered leaves us with
no choices or possibilities… the insane conspiracy
theories that are offered here, (and never with
any sort of evidence or facts to back them up)
for example, the Jews run/control the world,
is that that theory offers us no choices, no
possibilities… Ok, the Jews control the world,
what is then possible? What choices do we have
in a world where the Jews control the world?
we are never told what possibilities exists or
choices we have if the Jews were to actually control
the world…it is a pointless ‘‘fact’’ that leaves us
nowhere… or the thread about ''Watching the end
of late stage capitalism"" Are any possibilities offered to
us? Philosophy, real philosophy would offer us some
choices or possibilities about this… but none are
ever given… that is animal, not human…
for the essence of being human lies within
our own choices and possibilities… and within
the conspiracy theories of Jews or watching the end
of late state capitalism, is that no choices or possibilities
are ever given… a life without choices or possibilities
isn’t a human life… it is an animal life…

OK, the Jews control the world… now what?
what are my possibilities within that world?

If there are no choices or possibilities, then I am not
living a human life, I am living an animal life…
and I reject that… as should you…

Kropotkin

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Should a child raping & killing criminal be free to decide who they are on their own terms?

How does that play out?

If we prevent them from harming children, are we preventing them from deciding who they are on their own terms?

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I do reject it, but in a way that you may have to enquire about before you understand:

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Peter, its not just Jews the control the world. Its that there is a Jewish merchant capitalist stereotype that the controllers of the world adhere to. Its not that literally they are all Jewish. And that historically, Jews control the world’s Banks. And, the world media is literally controlled by Jews, except for Elon’s Twitter, although Nethanyu made some claim that Elon is “one of them”. Emulating Jewish behavoirs and stereotypes is very much “en vogue” with elites.

I will give examples, Youtube is Jewish media conglomerate. And they force recommended videos and suggest random videos at the end of videos. Often these videos are of a sensational or shock content, because they view consumers as some kind of social experiment or cattle. They don’t care about the wellbeing of consumers at all. There is no option to disable these features. The main goal of Youtube is for people to watch Youtube all day, and our politicians go along with this unhealthy behavoir, because they are all part of AIPAC.

Another example, is on XBOX on the main startup there is now random advertisements. There is no way to shut off these advertisements. Even though XBOX is not literally owned by Jews, it became “jewed” as a figure of speech. It is part of the Jewish merchant capitalist stereotype. Nintendo is very anti-consumer this as well, in their own way. I actually believe that Japanese are more stingy of a race than Jews, and this is supported by data.

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Peter, the Jewtube overlords intentionally enshitify the platform to rob users of basic freedoms, such as the ability to block unwanted content or shitty “recommended” videos.

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A rat is content living in shit, I’m not, the Jewtube overlords have no common decency and want everyone to live in shit, fecal matter, etc. To downgrade the culture and make it the “new normal” to live in a pile of turds, as a rat.

There are entire subReddits devoted to digital detox and nosurf. Reddit is part of the problem but I’m mentioning it anyway.

They intentionally want people to be given negativity, negative content, every day to make people addicted to the platform and trauma-bonded to them. And its remains way because AIPAC politicians allow it

For example I can’t open up Jewtube without a day going by without it recommending random, shocking, and disturbing content, this is all done intentionally, to trauma-bond and stockholm people to being addicted to their platform, all approved by AIPAC politicians, all approving the total deterioration of humanity and culture.

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Ichthus77:
Should a child raping & killing criminal be free to decide who they are on their own terms?

How does that play out?

If we prevent them from harming children, are we preventing them from deciding who they are on their own terms?

K: I guess idiots will be idiots… at no point did I mention, suggest,
talk about child rapist/criminals… and that leaves us with the
belief that your mind is in the gutter… child rapist and killers is
what you think about… is this a common thing with you?
if so, you may want to talk to someone about this fetish you have…

Kropotkin

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Atheism is the cancer in society futureone.Always has been.

What do you expect?

If you do away wih reality ….there will always be some religious MISREPRESENTATION OF REALITY!!! (ILLUSIONARY) BS that takes its place.

At the present moment its the religious BS of atheism.

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another one with a fetish… this time an anti-Jewish fetish…

If I were Jewish, I would be excited to know that
my being Jewish is living rent free in your head…

Kropotkin

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You need to get rid of those voices in your head you crank because they are feeding you BS.

You’re a psychotic by your own admission so who’s remotely interested in a psychotic’s view of reality…..lol

You need serious help and yet are too arrogant to acknowledge it.

Shut up…..stop posting nonsense….its boring as hell Peter.

You exist Peter because you need to exist to claim that you don’t exist.So if you claim that you don’t exist then you re a liar who exists.Have you learnt anything?

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Nope, religion is the cancer of society.

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Jews are just another danger to democracy, they are just another villain. Society is a drama full of villains. Jews are not the only danger to democracy, soon Putin will become the main danger to Europeans. Then we also have Muslim terrorists waiting and biding their time to attack.

Jews just happen to be front-and-center and they control the media and American politicians, and since I don’t live in Europe, Putin isn’t a big concern for me. I am concerned that AIPAC politicians might drag America into another war though.

That being said, the EU warmongers do seem to want a war with Putin, and are keen on destabilizing the Serbian government to that end. Whether or not its purely the EU behind this, or more Jewish meddling, is anyone’s guess.

CNN and NYT caught taking bribes by Jews for Pro-Israel propoganda:

https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=qR4n88hW2uw

Peter, this might be a good gig for you, they offer good money and all you have to do is praise Israel, it shouldn’t be too hard for you to do. Have you considered this.

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Jews still living rent free in your head…
mention Jews and you react like Pavlov’s dog…

Kropotkin

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You’re sick for even mentioning that reference. Cultural decline, nobody has any cultural values anymore, its all an adult-swim shit-show of random garbage.

Also, if you haven’t noticed, Jews are at civil war with each other, the Uniparty of secular jews vs. orthodox jews. Both of them have insane political viewpoints. Normal people with ordinary political views are the “excluded middle” of Jewish dominated politics. Your politics are more similar to the secular jew woke open-borders insanity, in case you were wondering.

Also your arguments are like a child, just saying empty things, insults, meanwhile I give facts and evidence.

Where are you when jews violate seperation of church and state? You are quick to criticize Trump, and Christians, but never jews. Jews are a protected class. If Jews violate the constitution, world laws, Geneva convention, not a peep out of you. Typical brainwashed American:

https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=qgzkF0WWvhc

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You obviously don’t differentiate between Israel and Jews, or between perpetrators and bystanders. That is the same mentality as the IDF bombing a shopping complex to get one or two terrorists. Your thinking is part of the problem, but you permanently accuse others of doing that. We are living in an age of projection, and every accusation seems to be an inadvertent confession.

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Mere theism is the same as atheism futureone.What other type of religion are you referring to?

Matthew 7: 21-23

It’s always been about a belief in doing the will of God.Anyone can claim to believe in God but their actions give them away.

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You are sick Peter….You are suffering from psychosis.

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Mainstream normie Abrahamic religions are all hostile religions. In Islamic countries they kill Muslims who abandon the faith

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According to Reddit poster, 95% of Jews are Zionists.

I believe 95% Jews are zionists based on personal experience, and a deep understanding of Judaism and its culture (including academic and religious).

Jews who you meet in activist circles are relevant to discussion, but understand that most Jews you meet out of activist circles are zionists. Many, maybe even the vast majority of Jews you meet that are anti-zionists also notably likely do not care about Judaism either. So they may be ethnically Jewish, but don’t really care about Jewish culture. It is true that there are people who are ethnically Jewish who are against the state of Israel. But they are a minority.

I have lived in the northeast and multiple southern states. Most of my friends are Jewish, and the majority are democrats. They are ALL zionists.

Unsure if the 95% number is true, but most of the Jews I’ve interacted with on social media tend to be hostile and Zionist. If they wear a Star of David they are almost certaintly Zionists.

Israelfaq.com says:

Do most Jews worldwide support Zionism and the state of Israel?

While the vast majority of Jewish communities express a strong connection to Israel and support Zionism, a small minority holds opposing views. Organizations like Jewish Voice for Peace and groups like the Neturei Karta often present themselves as progressive or religiously devout, respectively.

Even if a small minority of Jews don’t support Zionism (maybe 5% or 10% don’t support it) they still usually have batshit insane political views. Like I said there is a Civil War in America between Secular and Orthodox jews. The secular jews want forced immigration everywhere and woke opinions shoved down everyone’s throat. They cause a nation to collapse from within. The Jews create an atmosphere of partisan culture, either you are a woke or anti-woke, either you are a Democrat or Republican. Anyone with rational opinions in the middle is ignored. Anyone who hates Democrats and Republicans is dismissed, and Democrats and Republicans then make the country go to shit. And they drag the country into wars and conflicts, because of their insane opinions and policies, both civil wars and foreign wars. Literally EVERY american president supports AIPAC.

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:sweat_smile: :rofl: :joy:

My neighbour has some interesting anecdotes he likes to share as well …
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