The Presidential Candidate Debate: Part 1

The problem with nuclear power has been the waste, where do you dump the waste?
The big fight in Nevada has been the dump of Nuke waste in Nevada and they hate it
and those living there have been fighting it for years. You gotta think about where to dump
the waste first and work backwards from there.

Kropotkin

Let’s launch it into space towards the sun. #-o

I’m just curious…

Who on the forums is against raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans, i.e. people who make over $250,000 a year, and large corporations? This seems like a no-brainer to me. I just don’t see why somebody who makes $250,000 a year would be upset if they “only” took home, say, $125,000 a year.

I personally would be happy taking home $50,000 a year, and I feel fortunate enough to make $33,000 a year. Don’t ask me how people scrape by on $20k a year.

I’m not against raising taxes on the wealthy provided

1.) It’s in response to a specific, temporary need.
2.) The tax increase expires by default once a certain number of years has passed, or a certain dollar value is raised.
3.) You can effectively distinguish between ‘people who make over $250,000 a year’ and small businesses that show that much profit.

I’m against a general principal that says the Gov’t should have as much money as it can justify taking, or taxing people just on a perception that ‘they can afford it’ or ‘they have more than they need’.
Because I don’t trust the Gov’t to be honest about things like point 2, I generally wind up being against that sort of thing. I’m against raising taxes on the wealthy to pay for some new program that’s going to be around for eternity.

If taxes have to be raised, I think the wealthy are a good place to start. And while I hate to see corporations continue to get breaks that elude the middle class, I hate even worse to see so many jobs going overseas. Those companies need some sort of incentive to stay, or disincentive to leave.

I support raising the taxes of the wealthiest Americans. But if the US raises taxes on business, won’t it simply drive business away?

the light of dawn finally breaks.

-Imp

On the other hand, they might decide to stick around because if business gets bad, they can always rely of the the federal government to bail them out.
#-o

Given that blue states have more businesses and more successful businesses than red states, I would say that the worry that businesses will leave for areas that do not tax as highly is false. Heck, look at Toyota opening plants in Ontario instead of the US South (Alabama). Infrastructure counts for a lot.

I was struck by this (from “TalkLeft” website)

[i]"How Racism Works:

What if John McCain were a former president of the Harvard Law Review? What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class?

What if McCain were still married to the first woman he said ‘I do’ to? What if Obama were the candidate who left his first wife after she no longer measured up to his standards?

What if Michelle Obama were a wife who not only became addicted to pain killers, but acquired them illegally through her charitable organization? What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard?

What if Obama were a member of the Keating-5? What if McCain were a charismatic, eloquent speaker?

If these questions reflected reality, do you really believe the election numbers would be as close as they are?

This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes positive qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative qualities in another when there is a color difference.

You are The Boss… which team would you hire?

With America facing historic debt, 2 wars, stumbling health care, a weakened dollar, all-time high prison population, mortgage crises, bank foreclosures, etc.

Educational Background:

Obama:
Columbia University - B.A. Political Science with a Specialization in International Relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude

Biden:
University of Delaware - B.A. in History and B.A. in Political Science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)

vs.

McCain: United States Naval Academy - Class rank: 894 of 899

Palin: Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in Journalism

Now, which team are you going to hire ?"[/i]

That’s a very thought provoking post, Ingenium.

I think so many people are convinced that any man who would put his country first, as John McCain did in Vietnam, deserves serious consideration for the President. What they fail to realize is that any dunce can have a moment that exhibits greatness. Somebody with an IQ of 70 could sacrifice himself to save others on the battlefield, but that doesn’t negate the fact they have an IQ of 70.

This is, of course, an exaggeration. Obviously John McCain doesn’t have an IQ of 70. But just because he put his country first in Vietnam doesn’t mean he is qualified to be the most powerful man on the planet, a position that requires so much more than the simple, but extremely sufferable and trying, sacrifice he made.

I found this article to be revealing, because it gives context to things he’s said and done that had seemed inexplicable to me.

Make Believe Maverick

Wow, what an informative article. Granted, much of it is heresay, but a lot of it is John McCain’s personal record of events…I was wondering why they talk about his anger issues, he seems so calm now…

McCain needed to score a clear victory in tonight’s debate to reverse his downward trend in the polls. Clearly he did not do that. Obama needed to hold his own in the town hall meeting format that McCain favors. Clearly he did that. Score another one for Obama. =D>

felix dakat:McCain needed to score a clear victory in tonight’s debate to reverse his downward trend in the polls. Clearly he did not do that. Obama needed to hold his own in the town hall meeting format that McCain favors. Clearly he did that. Score another one for Obama.:

K: looking at McCain, I am reminded of the penguin in the batman movie, Danny Devito. He looks and moves
just like him. As far, as the debate goes, Obama did win. The one defining moment was when
McCain called Obama, as “that one”. Very dismissive of McCain and will cost him the election.

Kropotkin

Yes I was struck by that comment. Obvious McCain had been advised to act more civil toward Obama than he had in the first debate. But with the comment “that one” his contempt for Obama revealed itself. Still he went into the debate behind in the polls, so he doesn’t really have an election to lose at this point. Barring a game changing event before November 4, or a large scale vote heist, McCain has already lost.

Intellectual elitism is just as dismissive as McCain’s comment about Obama…

Agreed.

I didn’t notice Obama acting in ways I would categorize as intellectually elite last night. On the other hand, in addtion to referring to Senator Obama as “that one”, Senator McCain answered one questioner, a black man, this way: "But you know, one of the real catalysts, really the match that lit this fire was Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac I’ll bet you, you may never even have heard of them before this crisis." Terming that remark intellectual elitism would be kind.

Damn…wish I would’ve caught the debate.

I also wish the candidates would stray, even if slightly, from their campaign speeches and directly answer the questions.

Have debates of candidates in the past been the same way? I hear Bill Clinton was an excellent debater…was it because he actually answered the questions instead of just regurgitating his campaign speeches?