The rape of America continues

The repeal of the estate tax is just another brick
in the wall of the RAPE of america by the
wealthy in this country. This bill calls for the phase out
of this estate tax in 2010. So what does this mean?
An example is the family of one oil executive stands to
receive a tax break of $160 million. The repeal of this tax
will save the President, vice-president and 11 cabinet
members anywhere from $91-$344 million.

The estimated cost of the repeal is $1 Trillion for the
years 2011-2021. We are already trillions in debt,
and in this time of this out of control debt, can we
really afford to allow the super rich more money.
A recent center for Public integrity report found that
a handful of superrich families had spent $490 million
lobbying against the tax. If they succeed, these same
families will gain almost $72 billion. And at what cost
to america? Greed from these families will cost america
billions.

Kropotkin

you really, REALLY hate george bush don’t you? (not that i can blame you for anything)

here, you’ll like this a lot:
http://www.emogame.com/bushgame.html

creation imperfect: you really, REALLY hate george bush don’t you? (not that i can blame you for anything)

K: Hate! yes, but hate is really too mild of a word for what I
feel toward that brain dead moron. I am trying to create
a word beyond, hate, for him. Maybe, ummm, a word like
ginch, like "I ginch him. Still needs work. I’ll get back to you
when I think of a word.

Kropotkin

Pete,

Let’s be realistic here… it’s not a rape so much as a last minute free for all.

The country is beyond salvation (in their eyes) so it’s just a big game of gets yours disguised behind the fascade of a gov’t

Old_Gobbo: Let’s be realistic here… it’s not a rape so much as a last minute free for all.

K: You say tomato, I say tomoto, you say
potato and I say patato, tomato, tomoto, potato, patato,
lets call the whole thing off.

OG: The country is beyond salvation (in their eyes) so it’s just a big game of gets yours disguised behind the fascade of a gov’t."

K: Yes, we have actually hit the failed state area, no different
then somalia. So the real point is, when will the final fall occur?

Kropotkin

Not sure still looking as best I can…

Basically what you/we/I/you have to do is scour the net in such a manner in that you don’t buy into the Republican hate based disinformation. That’s easy enough for me and you. What is harder is to sift through is the more subtle ultra leftist bullshit which works on a fear basesd strategy. This is an important difference as they would have us believe in this ever shifting hard to pinpoint yet all powerful world government. It may exist but not in the hopeless sense that some depressed internet goers would believe. The Powers at be arn’t stupid, they were waiting on the net will a while load of ridiculous made up shit that I ate up for a while.

We as a public are the ones with the power, it’s just that they do a good job of making us forget because we’re always looking over our shoulder for big brother. He may be watching but so what? If everyone clues in big brother can easily be exposed as the shaking little fuck behind the wizard’s illusions.

Alright… quickly,

  1. The oil supply is NOT dwindling. Thwre is tons of oil it’s just that the -processing- is being slowed down to increase costs for whatever end.

  2. The whole AIDS thing is bullshit. I posted that in the other thread.

  3. Looks like diamonds arn’t all that rare but, like oil their supply is used as puppet strings. Makes sense as they are simply carbon derivatives.

  4. It doesn’t matter if it’s Hilary or some other democrat, the problem goes deeper than Bush and his gang of fuckdusters and whoever else will come after them.

I admire subject’s such as these just for the rationality of America being a world wide Tower of Babel and progressing itself into the
Fallen Babylon .eh? my point is i’m not proud to be american and this is all i can say and offer to you right now BECAUSE i’m afraid of giving a link that will have a glitch in the near future that may contain inappropriate material for everyone on this website sorry guy’s i’m like getting worried about this kind of thing alot anymore.
This is a good thread you have started Kropotkin it produces how much value everyone else get’s while the christians say it’s going to be ok , God will save us , please understand god is with you ETC ETC…you get the point their blind by a dense belief otherwise i would have been smited before i even started this post.
Lastly,i’m going to miss everyone here at ILP , i’m leaving because everytime i try and do something right it turns out the opposite…
besides i need to get my ass out of this AMERICAN state i hate florida and i don’t want to be american any longer the thought of dying is better than living here anymore.

p.s
Last post by DDF

Comrade DDF, declare yourself a Socialist, and you will no-longer be an “American”! Do not feel ashamed, it is not your fault what they do.

Comrade Peter, we must realize that Bush is a mere puppet. The money is his master, the money is the master of all of them! Capitolism has a prepetual and unstoppable decay! Inequality is picking up momentum!

Comrade Gobbo. The capitalists aim for monopolization. They wish to gain as much oil as they can [for low price], and then re-sell for incredibly high price. Their aim is a totalitarianism through capital. Globalization means that they can screw somebody on the other side of the planet, legally. The capitalist totalitarianism does not use brute force, it uses money primarily. I’ve already been talking to James about this.

i don’t know about all that. i love america, and i’m happy i have a good life. i’m also smart enough to know i do have a really good life compared to a lot of people in the world and a big part of that is where i live. i just hate how america happens to be being run.

oh don’t start associating all of us with that, please. i don’t think it’s God’s job or buddha’s job or anyone’s but ours to step in and save ourselves. unfortunately, we seem to be either too lazy or too incompetent a lot of times to do that. (i’m not saying everyone is, but too many people are. to change things you need a much larger group of people than is willing to step up and sacrifice part of their lives to help everyone out.)

somehow fate gives me the information I need.
Today’s paper tells me that the federal
debt is $8 trillion dollars. So by giving the rich
more money, we increase our debt by another trillion
(at least) so within a few year our total federal debt will
be $10 trillion dollars. Money that has been BORROWED
and must be paid back. If we insist the wealthy don’t have
to pay, then the money must come from the the middle class
(soon to be the poor) and the working class (soon to be poorer).

And the land of the free will have 4% wealthy beyond belief
class and the rest (96%) will be in poverty. Which is almost
the same ratio of France right before the “The French Revolution”
UMMMMMMM. does history repeat itself? I hope so.

Kropotkin

oh don’t kid yourself, we’re never gonna pay back the national debt.

even if bill gates, in an uncharacteristally altruistic fashion, poured all of his money into it he wouldn’t make a dent.

creation imperfect: oh don’t kid yourself, we’re never gonna pay back the national debt.

K: One of the cornerstones of our little republic has been
the economic stability of this country. To default is to
admit we are no better then some third rate banana republic.
The other brick in the wall is if we default we pretty much take
the rest of the world with us. How happy do you think the world
will be with us after we default and create world wide economic
collapse. I for one, would not want to travel any further then
say, 2 miles of the U.S. border and that might be risky.

Kropotkin

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Hate is counter productive .

Before criticizing Bush , maybe consider american history first , remember that 300 years ago you would have been living in fear of gettin scalped , catching diseases with no cure , towns with no law , all sorts of chaos , american society is better than its ever been , plus the war in Iraq is justified , George Bush is,nt so bad compared to some of the men from the past , some of the leaders in foriegn lands .

Put yourself in the position of someone who suffers great poverty in a third world country , do you experience these types of hardships ? I doubt it , I imagine most people here are reasonably privelaged . People in the west must,nt become complacent , and lazy , with all their technology and comfort , everything at their fingertips , they should be very grateful for the freedom they have , the privelages

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DoL,

The fact that Bush isn’t ‘the worst’ doesn’t make him fit to be president. American society isn’t as good as it’s ever been because the country is operating on a cardhouse of anorexic toothpicks sustained only by the fact that not enough people google ‘American Debt’.

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Naturally

Not many people in american towns are being shot at by lawless mexican bandits , Indians , on plains where life is harsh . Black and chinese people are,nt being hanged and burned as often by the kkk , women enjoy greater freedom than they,ve ever done , most people have food , water is clean , there is no civil war , homosexuals are not imprisoned anymore , in general people are treated better .

Its a matter of perspective , things are,nt perfect , but they are better than before , much better , that goes for the whole world

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I see your point, but I find it to be a very weak one.

The fact that we arn’t beating off in public and throwing our shit around is alright, but Bush is still a puppet/evil bastard and the US is still producing mass hate around the globe.

The things you describe are completely independant of the current administration I find…

If you voted for Bush. You hate america.
If you voted for Kerry. You hate america.

neither are good for this nation and neither represent it very well.

The only thing going on in elections for the few decades of my life has been voting on the lesser of 2 evils. I must say… I still have a difficult decision on who I like more. I used to think Bush was the lesser of 2 evils but I still could never vote for him because he is as moralless as a liberal. Now… I believe Bush to be as much a Traitor to this country as Kerry is!

2 reasons to read this thread

  1. DOL’s excellent avatar
  2. Gobbo’s use of the word ‘fuckdusters’

To any politically informed person outside the US (and some inside) the notion of the two parties being controlled by the same interests is old news. Kerry was a candidate put in to lose the election, that much should be clear by now. That’s also the only explanation why he conceded so early despite the election being so close.

Gobbo, have you heard anything about the rumoured links between the CFR (cfr.org/) and a British Secret Society who’ve been trying to recolonise the US for most of the last 2 centuries? Not that I’m giving any credence to such a claim because as far as I know it’s nothing more than a vague stab in the dark. It’s just one of the more amusing allegations that I’ve heard and I thought you might have also run across it since you’re clearly interested in all this.

Republicans are going to loose power for many years. I’d actually rather see a liberal in power becuase then the people will know the evil that rules us, during that time the GOP will sort out it’s problems and be gloriously reelected.

Bush is being a pussy on the war on terror, the Haditha allegations and of course, illegal immigration.

I don’t hate America, the country that my elders helped to build, helped to build into a great nation, for people who wanted a chance to succeed.

I do hate Amerika, the country of the Bush/Clinton/Bush era, all lies and subterfuge of elitists, democrat and republican alike, destroyers of the Constitution, faith in humanity, ethical fairness, and most of all … honesty.

DDF and I can certainly find agreement here: America the ethically corrupt and socially weak will become Babylon, or Rome … without the history, culture, heritage or duration.

Let’s raise one up for Nero, and toast it as it all burns down.

Brother Monkey man … pass the dogs and mallows, time for a cookout.