The real cause of Islamic terrorism - the yogic perspective

Here is an excerpt from the Indian spiritual genius and savant Swami Vivekananda’s (1863-1902) book ‘ Raja Yoga’.

" We find , in studying history, one fact held in common by all the great teachers of religion the world ever had . They all claim to have got their truths from beyond, only many of them did not know where they got them from. For instance, one would say that an angel came down in the form of a human being, with wings, and said to him, “Hear, O man, this is the message”.Another says that a Deva, a bright being, appeared to him. A third says he dreamed that his ancestor came and told him certain things. He did not know anything beyond that .But this is common that all claim that this knowledge has come to them from beyond, not through their reasoning power. What does the science of Yoga teach? It teaches that they were right in claiming that all this knowledge came to them from beyond reasoning, but that it came from within themselves.

The Yogi teaches that the mind itself has a higher state of existence, beyond reason, a superconscious state, and when the mind gets to that higher state,then this knowledge, beyond reasoning, comes to man . Metaphysical and transcendental knowledge comes to that man .This state of going beyond reason, transcending ordinary human nature, may sometimes come by chance to a man who does not understand its science; he , as it were, stumbles upon it. When he stumbles upon it, he generally interprets it as coming from outside. So this explains why an inspiration, or transcendental knowledge, may be the same in different countries, but in one country it will seem to come through an angel, and in another through a Deva, and in a third through God. What does it mean? It means that the mind brought the knowledge by its own nature, and that the finding of the knowledge was interpreted according to the belief and education of the person through whom it came. The real fact is that these various men, as it were, stumbled upon this superconscious state.

The Yogi says there is a great danger in stumbling upon this state. In a good many cases there is the danger of the brain being deranged, and , as a rule, you will find that all those men, however great they were, who had stumbled upon this superconscious state, without understanding it, groped in the dark, and generally had, along with their knowledge, some quaint superstition. They opened themselves to hallucinations. Mohammed claimed that the Angel Gabriel came to him in a cave one day and took him on the heavenly horse, Harak, and he visited the heavens. But with all that , Mohammed spoke some wonderful truths. If you read the Koran, you find the most wonderful truths mixed with superstitions. How will you explain it? That man was inspired, no doubt, but that inspiration was, as it were, stumbled upon. He was not a trained Yogi, and did not know the reason of what he was doing. Think of the good Mohammed did to the world, and think of the great evil that has been done through his fanaticism! Think of the millions massacred through his teachings, mothers bereft of their children, children made orphans, whole countries destroyed, millions upon millions of people killed!

So we see this danger by studying the lives of great teachers like Mohammed and others. Yet we find, at the same time , that they were all inspired. Whenever a prophet got into the superconscious state by heightening his emotional nature, he brought away from it not only some truths, but some fanaticism also, some superstition which injured the world as much as the greatness of the teaching helped. To get any reason out of the mass of incongruity we call human life, we have to transcend our reason, but we must do it scientifically , slowly, by regular practice, and we must cast off all superstition .We must take up the study of the superconscious state just as any other science. On reason we must have to lay our foundation, we must follow reason as far as it leads, and when reason fails, reason itself will show us the way to the highest plane. When you hear a man say, “I am inspired” , and then talk irrationally, reject it. Why? Because these three states-instinct, reason, and superconsciousness , or the unconscious, conscious, and superconscious states-belong to one and the same mind. There are not three minds in one man, but one state of it develops into the others. Instinct develops into reason, and reason into the transcendental consciousness; therefore, not one of the states contradicts the others. Real inspiration never contradicts reason, but fulfils it. Just as you find the great prophets saying, “ I come not to destroy but to fulfil” , so inspiration always comes to fulfil reason, and is in harmony with it."

Here is an another excerpt from Swami Vivekananda’s ‘Raja Yoga’ dealing with the subject of superconsciousness or enlightenment.

"When I eat food, I do it consciously; when I assimilate it, I do it unconsciously. When the food is manufactured into blood, it is done unconsciously.When out of the blood all the different parts of my body are strengthened , it is done unconsciously. And yet it is I who am doing all this; there cannot be twenty people in this one body. How do I know that I do it, and nobody else?It may be urged that my business is only in eating and assimilating the food, and that strengthening the body by the food is done for me by somebody else. That cannot be, because it can be demonstrated that almost every action of which we are now unconscious can be brought up to the plane of consciousness. The heart is beating apparently without our control. None of us here can control the heart; it goes on its own way. But by practice men can bring even the heart under control, until it will beat at will, slowly, or quickly, or almost stop. Nearly every part of the body can be brought under control. What does this show? That the functions which are beneath consciousness are also performed by us, only we are doing it unconsciously.

We have, then,two planes in which the human mind works. First is the conscious plane , in which all work is always accompanied with the feeling of egoism. Next comes the unconscious plane, where all work is unaccompanied by the feeling of egoism. That part of mind-work which is unaccompanied with the feeling of egoism is unconscious work, and that part which is accompanied with the feeling of egoism is conscious work. In the lower animals this unconscious work is called instinct. In higher animals, and in the highest of all animals, man, what is called conscious work prevails.

But it does not end here. There is a still higher plane upon which the mind can work. It can go beyond consciousness. Just as, unconscious work is beneath consciousnes, so there is another work which is above consciousness and which also is not accompanied with the feeling of egoism. The feeling of egoism is only on the middle plane. When the mind is above or below that plane, there is no feeling of “I”, and yet the mind works. When the mind goes beyond this line of self-consciousness, it is called Samadhi, or superconsciousness. How , for instance, do we know that a man in Samadhi has not gone below consciousness, has not degenerated instead of going higher?In both cases the works are unaccompanied with egoism. The answer is, by the effects, by the results of the work, we know that which is below, and that which is above. When a man goes into deep sleep, he enters a plane beneath consciousness. He works the body all the time, he breathes , he moves the body, perhaps , in his sleep, without any unaccompanying feeling of ego; he is unconscious, and when he returns from his sleep, he is the same man who went into it. The sum total of the knowledge which he had before he went into the sleep remains the same; it does not increase at all. No enlightenment comes. But when a man goes into Samadhi, if he goes into it a fool, he comes out a sage.

What makes the difference? From one state a man comes out the very same man that he went in , and from another state the man comes out enlightened, a sage, a prophet, a saint, his whole character changed, his life changed, illumined. These are the two effects. Now the effects being different, the causes must be different. As this illumination with which a man comes back from Samadhi is much higher than can be got by reasoning in a conscious state, it must , therefore, be superconsciousness, and Samadhi is called the superconscious state."

These prophets were not unique; they were men as you or I. They were great Yogis. They had gained this superconsciousness, and you and I can get the same. They were not peculiar people. The very fact that one man ever reached that state proves that it is possible for every man to do so. Not only is it possible, but every man must, eventually, get to that state, and that is religion.

–Swami Vivekananda

Here are a few verses from the Quran that deals with terror.

  1. (Koran 8:12) "Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them.”

  2. (Koran 2:216) “Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, you knew not.”

  3. (Koran 69:30-37) “It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. You desire the lure of this world and Allah desires for you the hereafter and Allah is Mighty, Wise… Now enjoy what you have won as lawful and good and keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is forgiving, merciful.”

  4. (Koran 69:30-37) “(It will be said) Take him and fetter him and expose him to hell fire. And then insert him in a chain whereof the length is seventy cubits. Lo! he used not to believe in God the tremendous, and urged not on the feeding of the wretched. Therefore hath he no lover hear this day nor any food save filth which none but sinners eat.”

  5. (Koran 5: 33-34) “The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom; Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is forgiving, merciful.”

  6. (Koran 22: 19-22) “These twain (the believers and the disbelievers) are two opponents who contend concerning their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them, boiling fluid will be poured down their heads. Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning.”

  7. (Koran 76: 4) “Lo! We have prepared for disbelievers chains, yokes and a blazing fire.”

  8. So when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters, wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush…. (Koran 9:5)

The only punishment of those that wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is that they should be murdered, or crucified, or their hands and their feet should be cut-off on opposite sides, or they should be imprisoned…. (Koran 5:33)

9.“Let not the believers take the disbelievers for friends rather than believers. And whoever does this has no connection with Allah unless it is done to guard (Takeyya) yourselves against them, guarding carefully. And Allah cautions you against His retribution. And to Allah is the eventual coming.” (Koran 3:27)

10.Sura 47:4-6,15 "Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers (in fight), smite them at their necks.At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them).

11.Sura 61:4,11-13 “Truly God loves those who fight in His cause in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure … that ye believe in God and His Apostle, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the cause of God, with your property and your persons. That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to gardens beneath which rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in gardens of eternity. That is indeed the supreme achievement. And another (favour will He bestow), which ye do love - help from God and a speedy victory. So give the glad tidings to the believers.”

12.Sura 9:29-31 "Fight those who believe not in God nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, (even if they are) of the people of the Book, until they pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

13.Sura 5:54 “O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust.”

By my earlier posts , I am not preaching hatred against any religion. However fundamentalism, dogmatism and fanaticism in all its forms anywhere ought to be despised and eradicated . And I hope my posts will help to achieve that .

In this context , I wish to quote this teaching of Buddha…

Believe nothing, merely because you have been told it, or because it is traditional or because you yourselves have imagined it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for your teacher. But whatever after due consideration and analysis you find to be conducive to the good , the benefit, the welfare of all beings, that doctrine , believe and cling to and take it as your guide.

  • Buddha

Dattaswami’s got a new moniker. Old, well-known trick but I’m on to you and soon the moderators will be as well.

This time please don’t pollute the entire forum with your swami I am the mouth of God BS.

I am not Dattaswami, if thats what you mean. And Swami Vivekananda is a Jnana yogi ( the yoga of the intellect) and a philosopher and scholar of the highest order.

Aurobindo , the greatest Indian philosopher of the 20th century has this to say about Vivekananda …

Vivekananda was a soul of puissance if ever there was one, a very lion among men, but the definitive work he has left behind is quite incommensurate with our impression of his creative might and energy. We perceive his influence still working gigantically, we know not well how, we know not well where, in something that is not yet formed, something leonine, grand, intuitive, upheaving that has entered the soul of India and we say, "Behold, Vivekananda still lives in the soul of his Mother and in the souls of her children. --Sri Aurobindo–1915 in Vedic Magazine.

Romain Rolland, the French savant, and Nobel Prize winner, has this to say about Swami Vivekananda …

I cannot touch these sayings of his, scattered as they are through the pages of this book at thirty years’ distance, without receiving a thrill through my body like an electric shock. And what shock, what transport, must have been produced when, in burning words, they issued from the lips of the hero!

Mahatma Gandhi has this to say about Vivekananda…

“Swami Vivekananda’s writings need no introduction from anybody. They make their own irresistible appeal.”

Vivekananda left a body of philosophical works (see Vivekananda’s complete works) which Vedic scholar Frank Parlato has called, “the greatest comprehensive work in philosophy ever published.”

For this reason, I believe Vivekananda and his works should be mentioned in this forum.

Well, if your not, your just as annoying with your answering your own posts and all that east Indian swami crap that has so many logical holes in it you can see through it. Dattaswami has made some of the most ignorant posts I have read yet, if I cared I could shred them with simple logic and real world examples to show his plot holes, but I don’t want to encourage him to post any more, he is already trying to take over this place with his redundant and extremely uninteresting topics that promote no discussion.

Hope you don’t go down the same road, remember this is a community, not a podium for your preaching, nobody likes a preacher in a public forum.

Hey, if he keeps in one thread, I don’t mind so much. Naranjan, you will get a warmer reception if you ask questions or posit things for discussion, as opposed to long sets of text. There aren’t too many people here familiar with the stuff you’re talking about, so baby steps might be in order.

That’s one of the strongest points of pantheistic and polytheistic Indian spirituality. Each other religion may be studied without as much bias. The ideas can evolve and survive better in this case. But, niranjan, you are of a minority. Most people in religions think that their “mythical” beings really exist… So in that case atleast, I don’t think you represent any organized religion.

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I call the “superconscious”, a union between the mi-afi-gnomi and the perspective mind. The union can be partial, or nearly complete, and due to its relativistic nature, it is a multifarious state, which can happen in an unlimited variety of ways.

The mi-afi-gnomi is the dimensionally “external” parts of the mind, whereas the perspective mind is inside of the physical body at all times, having one focus, one viewpoint, etc. The reaches of sensual-knowledge fallow these ranges:
1:Perspective.
2:Subliminal.
3:Auric.
4:Miafignomious.

*The Perspective literal mind, is based in a certain region or hemesphere of the brain.
*The Subliminal mind is also in the head, but this part exists in other brain regions.
*The Auric mind is moreso an energy field than an accumulation of biomechanical parts. This auric mind has to do with anything in and a few feet away from the body. Remember, the brain is an electro-magnetic device. It can potentially interporate both direct nerve signals, and also, radiant energy field signals. It can sense and produce both a field or a charge. No-shit.
*The Miafignomious mind is the charges and fields outside of the aura. This perimeter starts where the aura ends. But, as the universe is still made of electric and radiant forces [the same kinds of energies that the brain uses], it is possible to access these outer-signals somewhat. Superconscious states involve the mind becoming perspectively conscious of exo-auric signals, where-as inner-knowledge and the inner-eye depend upon the Auric mind.
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That’s the way that I see it.

I think it’ll be like:
“Booo! F— you religion, science owns.”

And then later it’s like:
“This is the scientific reason why Jesus was an asshole.”

It’s like putting a rabbit inside a cage between two fighting dogs.
All they expect is Dogmatic-Rationalism vs Liberalistic-Empiricism, or some shit…

I’d always moreso considered the superconscious state as when the egoic looses its ego, and spreads itself “down” so that it becomes aware of all of its previously sub-conscious processes…

But your term interests me…

How does one attain the Samadhi?
Is there a state above Samadhi?
What is the difference between the Samadhi and the later of the 9 states of the Jhanas?

Dan~

Well, they came to the wrong place then, didn’t they? The advocates of religion have thus far been able to hold their own against such criticisms, on ILP and in general. Hmm, this does give me an idea.

The Buddha and Swami Vivekananda has always stressed logic and a rational frame of mind, and this can be understood by the quotes I have presented of Vivekananda and Buddha in my previous posts.

And just for knowing, can you list the “so many logical holes in it you can see through it” ?

Thanking you,

Niranjan.

 There are fundamentally four yogas for entering into the state of samadhi or superconsciousness and attaining enlightenment.

Jnana Yoga ( the yoga of the intellect), Raja Yoga( the yoga of mysticism or conquest of the internal nature), Bhakti Yoga ( the yoga of love), and Karma Yoga ( the yoga of action).

Anyone, depending upon their intrinsic tendencies or inclinations or aptitude , can select any of these four yogas , for their spiritual growth.They can choose one or more or all of them if they want.

Buddha , Shankara, Ramana Maharshi, Mahavira were Jnana Yogis who attained enlightenment.

Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, Chaitanya Mahaprabhu,the sufi enlightened masters were essentially Bhakta yogis, who through the elevation of their emotional nature through intense love of God, were able to access the superconscious mind.

Karma Yoga focusses on the adherence to duty while remaining detached from the reward.

As Krishna himself says , "Therefore, without being attached to the fruits of activities, one should act as a matter of duty, for by working without attachment one attains the Supreme."

The Hindu female enlightened master Mata Amritanandamayi has this to say about karma yoga…

The Hindu Saint Mata Amritanandamayi says, “The beauty and charm of selfless love and service should not die away from the face of the earth. The world should know that a life of dedication is possible, that a life inspired by love and service to humanity is possible. Meditation and studying the scriptures are like two sides of a coin. The engraving on that coin is selfless service, and that is what gives it its real value. Our compassion and acts of selflessness take us to the deeper truths. Through selfless action we can eradicate the ego that conceals the Self. Detached, selfless action leads to liberation. Such action is not just work; it is karma yoga.”

Janaka, a great king and philosopher of ancient India , attained enlightenment through the practice of Karma Yoga.

Raja Yoga (lit. Royal Yoga) is the system of yoga outlined by Patanjali in his Yoga Sutras. It is also sometimes referred to as Ashtanga (eight-limbed) yoga because there are eight aspects to the path to which one must attend. Raja yoga is concerned principally with the cultivation of the mind using meditation to further one’s acquaintance with reality and finally achieve liberation.

Patanjali and the zen masters and Paramahamsa Yogananda are those who have attained enlightenment through Raja yoga . ( I would add Osho’s name to it as well)

Sri Ramakrishna attained enligtenment through a combination of Bhakti Yoga and Jnana Yoga.

His entire explanation of the Soul and Spirit is full of holes and begs more questions then it answers IMO, but to be specific I would have to go back and cut and past a bunch of his words to be accurate and that might lure him in to this conversation which is the last thing I want to do. There is no discussing with such a person, he has already ordained himself as a spiritual guru and claims some form of ultimate enlightenment which is another plot hole since the enlightened do not claim such, its for others to claim about him, not for him to claim himself.

I dunno, I think this stuff is pretty decent, actually. I don’t understand the need to spiritualize what seem to me to be pretty down to earth statements, but beyond that it seems ok.

To tell the truth honestly , I have read what you have stated above twice and I was not able to get any idea what you are talking about. Please be clear and precise.

You have not listed any of the logical holes you have stated to be in my posts. Do whatever you have to do and list what you have to say…

There is no discussing with such a person, he has already ordained himself as a spiritual guru and claims some form of ultimate enlightenment which is another plot hole since the enlightened do not claim such, its for others to claim about him, not for him to claim himself.

Is this a reference to me or Swami Vivekananda ? As I said before , I don't honestly know what you are talking about.

If this is Swami Vivekananda you are referring to, he has never mentioned in the  posts that he was enlightened. 

And if it is me you are referring to , I must say I am truly amused .

And as for your argument that the enlightened do not claim themselves to be enlightened, I must say you are wrong.

The Buddha and Mahavira, founders of the Buddhist and Jain religion, acknowledged their enlightenment. Similarly did Guru Nanak, and Ramana Maharshi and the zen masters. Same too with Eckhart Tolle , who attained enlightenment in a most unorthodox way.

The Buddha and those who are truly enlightened do not care for such mundane terms as humility. They are in a perpetual state of no-mind and are not bound by any concepts or bondages or barriers or images. They have transcended all of these and do not care the least for them. The ego is non-existent in them . And since they follow their intuitions mainly , no one can predict what they will do. They are completely unpredictable.

You seem to enter into this discussion with some prejudiced notions of enlightenment and yoga . Must ask you to empty your mind and start afresh.

Also wish to state that I have never put any explanation about the Soul and Spirit in any of my posts.

Really wonder what kingdaddyo understood from my posts. I think he has not read them properly in the first place.

I was talking about Dattaswami. i didn’t read all of your post as it seemed identical to dattaswamis multiple posts.