The Reason for Suffering

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I like dreamland better than real life. Even my nightmares, the stuff of dreams. Quality stuff. Dreams feel like flow, natural. My dreams feel more natural than real life. Real life feels contrived, forced, synthetic. My dreams have violence, suffering, raunchy sex. Real life has no violence, monotony, and casual vanilla sex. In the modern times, dreamland is actually more like real life, than actual life. In dream land, I am always escaping death, in dream land I get a chance to actually live…there is no safety net, no gauranteed complacency. In dream land you are always on the move…and you reap the benefits, fancy hotels…nature walks where you actually enjoy the nature, sports and comradery…swimming pools where you feel alive. In dreamland there is alot of sexuality, bodies you see but can’t touch, and sexual frustration…but its nice, unlike the sexual frustration of modern life. Rather than envy, you learn to cherish what you see and feel, like a gem. Rather than nervousness around people, you feel one with nature and life. None of this is present in real life. Everything feels flat, jaded, dry, sucked up. In real life, I feel flat and jaded. In dreamland there is no nihilism. In dream land the human consciousness is at it’s natural healthy form. It is not dried up, twisted, and modernized.

I suspect dreamland is a portal to another dimension, and that I am actually experiencing and enjoying real suffering, real lives. I believe that all of the suffering in the world, is to build up power and energy for sleep, for the dreamland. Therefore, without real life suffering of the world, dreamland would have no substance.

So I believe Hell is a fiery furnace, to build up suffering energy so that the souls in Heaven can experience true Life and Oneness with nature, just as Earth is a kind of hell, to build up suffering energy for the dreamland.

So my message to you is repent and believe in the Christ. I know many of you will not, and go to Hell, and this is part of God’s plan. Without bodies in hell he would have no fuels for his furnace. It must be like this, the choice between eternal Life or everlasting damnation is yours.

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When you say that a dreamland is superior to real life you not only tell us that you hate your own life, meaning yourself, you also tell us that you hate us, those who accept it as it is and deal with it. It is an insult both to yourself and to us.

So how does that feel to your empathy?

It’s very sunny these days, to the point of risking collapse when deciding to go out. Do you hate the Sun, Trixie? Do you, during a long and tedious walk on a super hot day, dream of being somewhere else? Do you complain in yourself? Or do you force yourself to accept the consequences? Do you rebel or do you surrender to the Sun?

Is it better to rebel against an enemy that is too powerful or is it better to surrender and endure its impact?

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People who suffer a hot day in the Sun are building up energies for the dreamrealm. Their suffering is fuel for their own dreams.

Modern life is not natural. The dream world is more natural compared to modern life.

Current modernity does not fully censor the existence of nature. For example in books and movies, you can see life and death, action and romance.
All of natural suffering may build up energies for the dreamrealm.

But, if there was a modernity that fully censored nature, for example all books were censored, and only feminist movies were allowed, would there be enough energies for the dreamrealm? No I don’t think so.

So to answer your question, the answer is yes i don’t think modern life promotes a healthy consciousness. I have a wacky theory that animal life is like dream life, healthy consciousness, and human life is like a congestion, excessive fear of death and a fear of spontaneous action, because freedom and spontaneity is punished in modern times, you aren’t even allowed to sit on the sidewalk without feeling oppressed by cops, and then you get this toxic consciousness as a product of it.

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Is it better to fight an all-too-powerful enemy or to surrender to its impact?

Do you let the enemy destroy you or do you destroy yourself so that your enemy has no chance to destroy you?

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You lay low and wait for their blunder.

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Yes, God loves humanity so much that he has forced humanity to endure so much suffering here on earth.

Can’t debate that kind of logic or rationalization.

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I told you He needs fuel for the dreamland. And that fuel is suffering itself. I never said He was perfect, but trying His best with the hands He was given.

Without suffering, dreams would have a lackluster quality.

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And along with that fuel is the tears and cries of humanity.

The earth has its special kind of lubrication to keep it all running.

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What would life be without crying? Lackluster.

Do you honestly think positive spirit energy comes from nowhere?

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Good to know that pleasure can only be derived from pain.

Quite the sadistic universe, isn’t it?

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But is that what you are doing? I don’t think so.

Past a certain point, defense becomes self-destructive, making surrender superior option. We agree on this, right?

Most people, however, find it hard to surrender, which is to say, to relax and let the fate play its course. Instead, they continue to fight. Since they are powerless, this makes things worse. They cannot escape the negative consequences either way, so what happens instead is that they produce additional negative consequences – they make things worse, they harm themselves.

This is what it means to be too defensive.

You say that suffering fuels your dreamworld. This means that the dreamworld is a defense against suffering. If you endured your suffering properly, there would be no fuel for your dreamworld. In fact, you would wish for the suffering to recur – this is the meaning of the Eternal Return.

You endurance isn’t genuine endurance for you do not accept all of the consequences. You merely delay fighting them. And you fight them in your dreamworld.

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I’ll never bow down to god that does THIS to people, nor should you.



Neurofibromatosis.

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‘bodies’ in hell? Deriving burning and fuel? Damning the unfortunate? Suffering energy [?] to make the dwellers of heaven experience what? Suffering? Or is that idea meaningless.

Why do the religious not realise that suffering and such things are not endemic to the human soul or consciousness. More importantly that suffering is secondary, it exists due to other things, Suffering is not something, it is a casual glance and perspective upon the way the winds blow.

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Pain is a form of power which evolved along side many other forms of power.

Suffering is aversion, and causes aversion.
If we had no pain, we would not want to avoid damage.
I’m talking mainly about animals here, though.

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Human beings definitely don’t know anything about distributing equality and happiness but boy do human beings sure know enough about distributing suffering or misery upon each other.

And where exactly is God in all of this?

Playing the violin or tuba in the sky watching and observing gleefully?

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Justified suffering?
Teranoma

Created by god in his infinite wisdom

documentingreality.com/forum … ma-102925/

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God is creating fiendish ways to make us suffer, like teranomas. See above.

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The fuel of the furnace provides a kind of “purified suffering” which the souls in Heavens consume as a lifeblood.

As for genetic mutations, that is man’s doing. God gave man the perfect genetic code, and then Man ate a fruit, This caused impurities in the lifeblood and thus created the split duality, the need for suffering and “purified suffering.” From this day on animls became wild, devouring each other. this was the first genetic mutation.

The second genetic mutation was when the angels bred with women. Genetic mutations cannot be used for purified suffering as their suffering is not natural in nature. Therefore my DNA machine is needed so that no more poor souls must live with their terrible genetic mutations.

Magnus, I can no more handle my suffering than the souls in hell can suffer theirs. I do not know which direction my suffering is, up down left or right, or what it actually is, which is the worst of it. It all feels numb. My fear of death is not fear-based, but merely logical and hyperrational. I can never master or “get on top of” or submit to my suffering in real life, because doing so is also part of my suffering and is an extension of my suffering. In my dreams it all feels right, no numbness, no hyperrationality.

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Sadly not the case.

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Trixie

Do you seriously believe in the creation story? It’s a simple fact that man evolved from a more animal state, not changed into that.

Why does God need your DNA machine, he is God!