I like experimenting with other people’s beliefs in morals and ethics even though I myself embrace neither.
At any rate I like to postulate a question.
Do people have a right to housing or their own personal territorial dwelling?
By rights in definition of this current conversation for now we assume them to be apart of ‘real’ apparatuses.
This should make up for some interesting conversation. 
I believe that people are a community and every United States citizen should have access to some means of housing, warmth, and at least a meager meal.
And in exchange for these benefits, there should be a government program that assigns the “homeless” to 10 hours of work per week, perhaps doing something easy or simple, nothing too difficult. And if there is nothing to be done, then have people play card games, or maybe Nintendo Wii for 10 hours of community service.
I should of asked if whether people have the right to private housing and territorial dwellings or not.
According to many contradictive authoritarians in power nobody has a right to housing or their own personal dwelling which is why homelessness is a long regarded exploited western tradition.
Why start this conversation? Because I like pointing out the obvious contradictions, flaws, and absurdities of publicized morality or ethics as the ridiculous imperfect fictions that they are.
Public housing is the ultimate form of being owned by the state under today’s fascist public collectivized social welfare. It’s not the same thing as a personal dwelling that one owns themselves when it concerns individual or familial independence.
While were at it, where have I been?
Well let’s just say it isn’t easy being a nomadic gypsy anarchist gangster in the United States leading a insurrection where I have become very busy as of late.
I’ll be around in the next couple of days. I can never stay away from instigating others on the internet for far too long. It is after all one of my favorite hobbies. I like watching absurd exchanges on the internet as it entertains me.
Well we should have a right to land both to live on and feed ourselves, as that is removed before we are born then society must provide it.
It all comes down to who’s got the biggest axe -so to say otherwise. [If my right is taken away then I have every right to take others land and food away, it’s a basis for acceptable theft and murder, bla bla].
As a wannabe-authoritarian, poised to usurp power, I believe all natural born citizens have the right to some housing, even if they are “projects, slums, or ghettos”. Something is better than nothing. People deserve a small room, some heat, a bed, privacy, and security. These would be State provided, in exchange for community service or community hours, part time probably 10-30 hours a week. The jobs would be government owned and operated. They wouldn’t pay much, but they’d afford the minimum for people at the poverty line. They would exist on a “come and go as you please” basis. Transients should not feel compelled to leave or stay at them. They wouldn’t be “great” dwellings by any stretch of the imagination, but, provide the necessities. No thefts, no murders, no violence. They would have to have heavy survailence for safety.
I believe that having a better job, and income, at your own acquisition, entitles more privacy. This ‘project’ housing should be for those making under $10k per year in salary.
If these are “public owned” state projects, then taxes and profit should remain minimal, but still exist. Many people do not believe in “handouts” to the poor and homeless. But I’m not as conservative as this. I believe the poor ought to have a realistic opportunity for social hierarchical progression. It should become the duty of the state, or government, to lift people out of poverty, by force if necessary. People shouldn’t remain homeless, starving…and useless.
I am still debating whether I think this is more a job for State or Religion to provide a foundation for the social rejects. After all, many who do reject the state, central government, or even “god”, are anti-authoritarians, rebels, revolutionaries, leftists, marxists, and liberals. The main difference is that of Net Income.
Have you developed a following yet, Mister Walker, or still going solo? How’s the wife and kid, still hanging around them or ditched them?
Always a pleasure, of course, Mister Walker. 
Well according to the powers that be you are owed nothing not even the basic semblances of existing to which if you want anything at all you better have a lot of money.
This to me makes the idea, concept, and fantasy of rights redundant.
I agree it does*, the powers that be don’t like giving away their money [which is largely taken from others]. The philosophy is not about what’s right, but about making people work for them at the rate they would prefer. Gradually they have taken away all means for the worker to have power, unions are flaccid and inept, and we here in Europe live in virtually a united states of Europe ruled by the invisible man. In that we have virtually unlimited amounts of ex-communists prepared to work for peanuts [comparatively], and so ordinary and even middle class people get less for their skills.
In short, if they went by what’s right they’d be virtual communists, in that they would have to supply everyone with homes, food and domestic fuel. On the other hand very few people need any help with all that though the number is growing, so as long as they don’t admit it [the rights] they can blag it [make us work for what is our right].
This will be a future where nobody will receive anything if they don’t fight against the oligarchic class.
Anymore inaction from the working classes and common people will only lead to slavery.
The problems with leftist is that ever since Marx locked eyes on the proletariat as the most competent in a technical sense and least likely class to exploit other classes (would make no sense to exploit the rich as the lower class would have the technical competence, the drivers know the fixed well used delivery points, and the utilities being stagnant and already evolved and standardized, farmers already standardized, ect) is that everyone has assumed the revolutionary fervor would come and SHOULD come from them. Unfortunately, the proletariat has never earned that competency EVER except in the most stagnant and backwards of populations who’s main export was cigars and imports were tourists… who’s mechanical aptitude was repairing boat and motorcycle engines. Yeah… this isn’t quite matching up with thinkers such as Steve Jobs or Bill Gates. 
The major problem is the assumptions are based on the idea we are stagnating, and that they ‘stole’ our wealth- the ‘theyness’ just want more and more power, is exploiting everything left and right- and only the young, drug using, tattood youth who read a few pamphlets and listen to angry music and don’t bath or practice safe sex comprehend it, and have the real message. What makes it ever worst, is that the literature of the ‘theyness’ is English, which evolved from years of exposure to high literature and culture. The young revolutionaries only speak in emo. It’s hard to translate.
Can you steal all the wealth from the rich, and give it to the poor, and build great cities for all the homeless, and solve all the immediate problems? No… plain and simple, no. Money would immediately cease to have a conceptual understanding, the economy would retract very quickly to a barter system- and then contract like crazy around a few material goods that can be universally traded. You cannot take everything Apple makes monetary wise and give it to the people and expect Apple to maintain it’s widespread, highly complicated factories, it’s workforce costs, it’s logistics and maintenance costs, shipping and seller costs at the same time- much less a aggressive R&D program capable of coming out with new products. Having a election on what the products should be, and how they should look, it completely retarded and we never would of arrived at having a Ipod in the first place had we gone that route. The American steel industry was much less complicated, had a MILSOP structure to it that was employee owned and union directed… and it collapsed from uninvented thinking and union greed and inflexibility. The first thing to go over a worker is always R&D. This kills the industry. It’s socialist greed that eventually puts everyone out of work… all they can say in response is that they can solve it by conquering EVERYTHING in it’s path to competition. But you can’t conquer nature- and stagnating against it produces the last man scenario very fast once everyone becomes stagnant and stops trying to solve the problems nature will put against us. We all know global climate change is whooping our butts, so if a steel mill union can’t figure out how to compete against another steel mill at the level of it’s technical competency, what makes you think a anarchistic/communistic model will be any more competent at forestalling a collapse just because it will have publicly funded scientist over a capitalistic system with… oh shit… both publicly and privately funded scientist?
The best trick the left can do is to beat the game by it’s own rules, and outdo Marx in his original orientation upon the proletariat. You need to open up your own school of business, and offer superior models of managerial theory and economic models that can explain, exploit, and outpredict the current models used. Exploit why the austrian school is legitimate in many points (cause it is clearly doing something right- even if distasteful to you for reason x), but also where it is stalling or has blindspots. Most importantly, produce the CEOs who share your viewpoints but are MORE competently valued than the rivaling CEOs of ideological schools currently being produced.
They would very quicky amass wealth, and power… not to mention a fast break into politics. It’s a lot easier to overtake a population from above than below in a revolution. They worst revolutionary is the liberal emo-kids grunging it out in a tent city- claiming to be the 99% when they are actually much, much less than a 1% (most people are not joining them- they like their beds too much). The best are the silicon valley CEO-Inventors and great statesmen.
I mean, fucking A- after a century and a half of studying economics, and they still haven’t figured out the quickest way to taking over a economic system is to put up with it and take it over legitimately by it’s own rules. No one would have the right to call the communist party incompetent if they came out with their own smart phone and beat samsung and apple at it’s own game- proving they know economics as well as the next guy- and showed how a industry could be socialistic at the same time in dispersing the wealth. But they don’t, because they are shitheads who don’t know what they are talking about.
Every obvious hobo should have a right to a waterproof sleeping bag given to them at the nearest military base (within reason- they might not have it immediately in stock and if a war just broke out, there is priorities over them- I am speaking of a well stocked peacetime situation) that is rated to keep them warm in the worst of weather.
If a hobo wishes to find work, effort should be made to make shower, laundry, and uniform & sleeping bag storage available to them. This would involve in most communities a shower in a city police station, a washer machine in the back, and a locket to put their sleeping bag. Police can direct and keep in check which vagrants are trying for work, and which are just drunk off their ass. It should be understood not to arrest those for vagrancy who are trying for work, and to eliminate from the record those who do work who’s criminal file is directly related to being homeless so they can find work- not otherwise though.
Women with children should be put up- but not whole families. The father must sleep in the rain, and he can only have supervised visits, not can she divorce or be legally allowed to marry another man, or have a man live with her in state sponsored housing for those 5 years. This is to enforce families to find work, and not live off the system, or use babies as a means to having a extra source of exploitative income.
Doctors should pay their taxes via free clinic work, and no taxes on medical supplies period. Military should open up surgical schools, and triple it’s long term medical corps in these cities. Lawsuits against doctors should be reduced in payment, but increased in scrutiny in terms of being allowed to continue to work when medical boards reviews them… including fines and leave of absences which includes expulsion from their homes and forced to live in hobosacks… even if they can afford otherwise through other means. This will make more competent doctors- knowing no amount of insurance will protect their incompetency. If will favor more altruistic activity, will not target the pocketbook, but will threaten to destabilize their lives as much as it does the patient if they fuck up.
You may say this is cruel- but it’s completely fair and just. I myself was homeless for a year, and worked part time most of it, paying for storage and access to a gym for a shower. I remained quite civil, and paid taxes even. I only needed 4 months of public assistance before I could afford my own food, and never slept on the streets, but outside of town hiking in and out. Throughout human civilization, this was a norm for men to do… moving to a new city during a depression resulted in this. They just got on with life, and helped build up their new city though their labor… either starting a family or calling for their family once they could. Waterproof military surplus sleepingbags work… especially if you put a umbrella over the head and your backpack underyour head, with the handloop anchored there, and the umbrella on the log. After a while, I was able to afford a phone, and could watch TV on it, or internet. It felt rather civilized. Sucks getting up in the rain… but you have clean clothes in storage. Sucks having to walk to the gym several miles, but it keeps you in shape- not like you have anything else to do.
When the economy is good enough, you’ll find work. Meantime, study, study, study. Read the classics, visit the sites you wouldn’t otherwise have time to visit, study society. Don’t bitch and demand handouts, never beg and never dig through trash… if your finding you gotta do that, migrate.
CO, you have some good ideas here.
people do have a right to there own housing, however this crazy state we live in only gives housing to important people 