As absurd as this sounds I believe our conscience has a spatial link with our soul, and our soul has the same with God. Tortoise, I am not trying to subvert your original idea, rather to add a new slant to that idea. It is my belief they are inexorably connected through a dimensional link. Meaning they don’t have direct influence, but more of a subliminal effect. Kind of like how a dream that has impacted you after you wake up.
Tortoise, I wouldn’t call believing in a soul or God cowardice. As a matter of fact I regard it as quite the opposite. You may believe what you like, but I will never resort to name calling to get a point across. It does not help further the discussion.
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Ignorance causes suffering and suffering fear and fear hate
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Thats your choice
Could you summarize them for me then? My computer is too old to watch videos. The sound and picture is waaaaaay off. I can never watch the videos you post. Mind if I ask for summaries when needed?
The soul represents the unchanging, certain core which most need to survive.
For me soul, like essence, represents the sum of all the effects that participated in my Becoming.
My heritage; my past.
Perhaps I should have more precisely said:
The soul represents, for most, the unchanging, certain core which most need to survive.
Yes, it does. The soul is Becoming as you are a becoming.
Not only your experiences but of the experiences of your every ancestor.
Your heritage includes your history.
nurture is only part, the smaller part, of the equation. Nature is the greater part, the experiences that preceded your birth and that now participate in your Becoming as traits and talents and physical/mental characteristics and predispositions, and as instincts and needs and drives.
Your entire appearance is this manifestation.
This is why these deniers of gender and race are full of shit.
Most of them just repeat whatever they were taught is morally right and they’ve never actually thought things through.
so what are you tortise just matter and its laws -a mindless stmulus machine-hey you dont exist all there is is a bag of fesus responding to stuimuli
hello mindless machine
My how fear grabs the ‘soul’ and causes the mind to reel in vertigo.
Do you see the characterizations of self, if there is no purpose, no God there to offer an stable identity and a given meaning?
This is what a slave thinks like. This is how a horrified coward reacts.
Is it a surprise religions are so popular?
How can you not exist and still be a bag of feces that responds to stimuli?
It must be one of those religious miracles.
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Someone once said that the saying “theres no atheists in foxholes” was an argument against foxholes,not atheists,nice turnaround,but then the statement was made by someone who could afford the luxury of a comfortable life,a philosopher ? Who would have guessed
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Understanding soul is easier if we learn from how people behave when they have none
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There is no evidence for this ‘nature is greater’ (no one has quantified nature’s contribution versus nurture’s, so the above is merely an opinon), just as there is no evidence of a ‘soul’. It cannot be found; it’s a product of ego-self, a fabrication. Such fabrications as this may have use in conventional terms, but to believe in it as something essential (a something that is ‘becoming’, for example) is delusional.
the you refers to the “I” THE personality you= you what ever your name is
if tortise is right then all there is is matter and its laws
so the ting you call you dont exist -all there is are a bunch of chemical obey chemical laws and equations
so all we have is bags of mindlless feces craping on around the world running to mindless laws of nature
hello machine
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How is it mindless when we are discussing?
Are you referencing yourself as an example of mindless?
These laws produce mind, don’t they?
Therefore how are they mindless?
Do you seek a purpose to the universe in its very process?
Only the mind hopes for and desires purpose, because it awakenes to the process with no end and no goal and feels insecure and terrified by the uncertainty and its own ephemeral existence and the price of this existence.
It then invents meanings and purposes to make its existence tolerable.
Are you proposing the idea that your immediate personal experiences are greater than the sum of experiences that preceded your birth and affected your nature?
Have your 20-25 years of life - because you are obviously very young - produced more effects on you than the millions of years before your birth that resulted in your biology and your species and your gender?
Are you comparing your few choices and reactions with the sum of all of your ancestor’s choices and reactions?
Are you saying the environmental effects on you exceed the environmental effects on your ancestors since life began on this planet, and even before that?
Are you serious?
Is this how you try to save yourself from determinism and from what you are?
It’s unfortunate that you are not as in control of your nature as you would like to believe.
If we follow through with your selective, subjective, emotional reasoning we can safely say that we can change the biology of an ant by simply changing its nurturing.
We can alter the entire history of its becoming by simply placing it in the right environments for a few years.
We can reverse the effects of the total sum of its history by just giving it the right care.
Congratulations, my dear. Once more you’ve entertained me.
I know, I know, it’s not what you thought you meant, but I don’t really think you really know what the hell you mean. I have to fill in things for you.
It just makes you feel good to think that nurturing is a more decisive element than nature, because in that way you can deny the things about you which embarrass you, culturally.
You’ve been taught to feel ashamed of certain things about your female nature, for instance, and this is how you can pretend that you are more a thinking individual than a biological entity.
But once more the underlying idea here is dualistic. You desperately want to disconnect your mind from your body.
Is this not why the idea of emptiness attracts you?
If appearances are made into illusions then all is left is consciousness. A consciousness disconnected and floating in the void, with no corporeal nature to hinder it.
A spirit, in the Christian sense.
The soul is a fabrication if you beleive it’s an actual thing. It’s a heritage. A temporal flow represented by you as its culmination.
What is delusional and pathetic is your desire to escape the universe by inventing concepts which save you from your self.
Your religious fervor can only be explained by your deep dislike for what you are and your need for something permanent and timeless.
The thinknig by not thinking is evidence that your reason only causes you pain, because what you perceive you find unflattering and unfulfilling.
So you are attracted to nihilistic ideologies which promise you an escape of self within soemthing greater or concrete and final.
Socialization, seeking to harmonize its parts, must find the basest common denominator so as to unite its multiplicity in a stable unity.
Therefore it is not surprising that this particular idea merged in the east.
All must be humbled and made into a paste which can then be uniformly spread.
The uniformity of nothingness or of the absent absolute is why the eastern religions are more mature than the western popular ones that play all sorts of games with semantics and hyperbole.
In the east, where populations reached levels that placed pressures on resources, the individual had to be degraded and made into an unthinking, disciplined nothing.
The ego, which is this drive towards self-completion, had to be defamed and made into a sham, where in the west it was made shameful and guilt ridden.
if there is just matter and its laws
then all that the thing you are is a machine
no mind just brain chemicals chemical equations running to natures laws
that is the end conclusion scientific materialism leads you to
hello machine-brain chemicals bag of feces
How is mind different than brain?
The bag of feces is an expression of your distaste for what you are. It exposes your need to think of yourself as more; as special.
Maybe inventing a God can help you.
Just imagine something like you, but greater, more. Then you can think of yourself as special and more.