the state will program your children, and you as a parent have no right to prevent it.
latimes.com/news/local/la-me … 3621.story
yes. we will program your children into a society of brain dead, unthinking hedonists who only vote for totalitarian socialism under the guise of democracy… california is leading the way again.
do you really think that the parents of america want to give control of their children to the state?
-Imp
I believe parents should have the right to home school their children.
I also think it reasonable that their should be a test to measure the progress of the childs education in regards to reading, writing, math, hard science, history, geography, etc.
I am oppossed to “indoctrination” by the state.
I’m with Tunis. It benefits me to have your kids be knowledgeable about the world. While I think parents should have the right to teach their kids how they wish, they should be required to demonstrate a possession of certain knowledge. I think the state, ostensibly “of, by, and for the people” has the right and responsibility to ensure that people are educated to a certain standard.
Of course the Borg has their sights set on home schooling! 1.5 million home schooled Americans at the end of the 1990s, that is D-A-N-G-E-R-O-U-S to the system.
This is what I was handing out today and it hits exactly on the issue brought up here; it’s from the U.S. middle-school teacherJohn Taylor Gatto, maybe you’d agee with his thinking. I was trying to find an anarchist educator and stumbled on this guy. Sorry about the long quote, but this guy is my idol of the week. You can read also his The Psychopathic School here: johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/index.htm if so inclined.
For those not up on this topic, here’s how the UN takes children from their families for the Borg, it’s called “the UN Declaration of Human Rights”,
I don’t see the problem with what the article proposes.
Anyone who would deliberately deny their child a better, more rounded education because they wanted to do it themselves are not doing what is best for the child.
It is not a parent’s right to educate their child. It is a child’s right to recieve a decent quality of education.
If the parent can provide that, then I have no problem, but if they simply want to shield their children from outside influence at the cost of their basic education in maths, language, science and arts then that is wrong.
““I want to have control over what goes in my son’s head, not what’s put in there by people who might be on the far left who have their own ideas about indoctrinating kids,” he said.”
This highlights the absurdity of the article. What does this man think he is doing to his child, if not indoctrination?
Trust that kids can use the ideas and knowledge they learn well. A variety of ideas, from both home and school, mean a child can adopt what THEY think is correct. Many will go against public education, many against their parents. At least they get to make the choice.
So, according to you, only the state defines “what is best” for the child?
I agree that education needs to be tied to some basic measure or assessment to obtain the home-school equivalent of a “diploma” - and I think that is already the case to a degree. I also think that passing a high-school exit exam should be required, and is fair to all given alternative paths to the diploma for certain demonstrated special need cases.
I also see no reason that the parent cannot “indoctrinate” their child under the name of religious freedom, even though I personally find the practice reprehensible. If they can pass the standardized tests, they should get the relevant diploma and should be allowed to “believe” whatever truth they wish to subscribe to.
The state has been programing children and whole entire families for thousands of years now.
Nothing new here…
You can trace institutional control to the ancient academies of platonic form.
i made a post a long time ago in refrence to the famous “scopes” trials asserting that the education system is brainwashing its students by selective exclusion and inclusion in the materials which are allowed to be discussed.
i was using religion as an example so that may have been why i was widley refuted, but you guys seem to acknowledge that the education system is at best a dead beat dad? brainwashing and all?
just a little not about brainwashing, it doesn’t have to be so direct if it happens over time. imagine if a teacher never used certain words… don’t you think that would have an impact on the probability of the kid then using that word later in life?
The education system is a mass assimilating device which makes life revolved around quanity instead of quality which in return makes our lives that much more mechanical.
Educational institutions over the last couple of eras have transformed themselves from a source of individual enlightenment to ones of mass profit, assimilation and mechanical marketable utilities.
Not at all, although I understand why that may have come across.
Teaching a child is a skill. Think back to your own education, there must have been some teachers who truly made you think, made you question, possessed the skill needed to connect with you and help you learn. Not every one can have this, especially if they have never undergone some form of teacher training. Now that’s not to say there are not bad teachers, but the odds of being taught by a good teacher is higher in state education than at home, unless of course the parent is qualified in teaching methods.
I have no problem with parents who are adequate teachers, who possess the skills and knowledge to stimulate and challenge free thought, who have the materials and resources to allow interactive learning, teaching their children at home.
What is best for the child though is being told all lines of thinking, and explained to in an unbiased way why certain things are ‘true’ and certain things ‘false’. This can be best done in state education, I believe.
Parents who object to things the state teaches their children, I thinking evolution here, are of course free to tell their children otherwise, and hope their children follow their line of thinking. What they can’t do is shut out the rest of the world and shield them from ‘wrong’ views.
A good teacher should not brainwash students, a good system should not simply tell children that X is right and Y is wrong. It should explain why X is right, and let them decide if they agree.
I think there is far more scope for this kind of teaching in state education rather than home schooling. Home school kids, generally as the original article addressed, tend to be home schooled because their parents don’t want their kids exposed to anything out with their own religion.
Another reason why I do not think religion has any place in education…
In my opinion (and I speak from personal experience of the Irish educational system) school is designed primarily to produce peacable, unchallenging, productive little citizens who will not rock the boat. Any knowledge which would encourage “deviant” behaviour is ignored. Such as disallowing male children to fight eachother and establish hierarchies. Violence is considered “wrong” and children are brainwashed into repressing their natural instincts in the interests of the runts who cannot or will not defend themselves. This produces coddled weaklings ignorant of the realities of the world and dependent upon the institutionalized police force for their protection - which is the idea.
Any individual who desires power and to dominate is a threat to the system and is punished or told that they are “anti-social”.
Curriculums are constructed around populist notions of morality; political correctness. So you will see liberals telling lies about the equality of all mankind or sexuality being nothing but a lifestyle; or socialists encouraging more and more dependence upon the state etc.
Schools are the most effective venue of indoctrination yet known; so you will find anyone with an agenda and the desire to construct a power base mooching along it’s corridors …
“Citizens” must be obedient and provide service to the state to which they are obligated; otherwise they will be ostracised or incarcerated. The system is a trap.
These “citizens”, taught to behave through blows and rewards, will then acquire a house, job, car and a spouse, who they will fuck; which will then in turn produce a number of offspring - who will do exactly the same thing. This is the way of life in the land of the State.
I will not be sending any children of mine to any school until they are at least 16 and able to think for themselves. Possibly older. I would prefer any children of mine to be terrorists rather than “productive citizens”. 
Hmm … to properly do home-schooling will require quite a lot of thought and planning …
I’ll get back to you in 10 years time …
To late to argue really. Every person that has a SS number/Birth certificate already belongs to the state/govt. You can argue all you want but the only way to get out of it is if they dont have either of them. The funny thing is the govt. owns everything including “us” thanks to our two stupid presidents Woodrow Wilson and FDR 
Some will overcome their education - their indoctrination, by the state, and some will not. 'Twas ever thus. Personally, I have found that, in the US, the flock is docile enough, and I like it that way, for the most part. I guess it’s a matter of personal taste.
I don’t disagree with Imp’s premise - I just don’t object to it.
On the whole.
It has its down side, yes.
Wish Red Sox tickets were easier to come by.
So how did the state end up producing you, exactly? Seriously, your cynicism is cute, but obviously wrong. No doubt we’d want the herd to be encouraged to be docile to a degree… how is that so bad a thing?
Now you need to unravel why “best” means a child being home schooled is not therefore “best” when the reason is religious or otherwise.
Unless you think religious freedom is less important than producing good little factory workers, in which case you’ve made your point. I’m not sure why you think or can claim that is “best.” Best for whom, the state or the capitalists? What interests are really being served by your argument?
Now then, if you know your Dewey, then you could try to make a case that democracy will function at its best when the majority is capable of critical thinking. But how is that something that should take precedence over one’s religious freedoms?
Again, the point is not that a secular, public education is not the “best education,” but why that should take precedence over one’s freedom to have what we can both agree is “the lesser” of education, quality wise.
A heck of a lot of these homeschoolers are doing it so they can teach their children creationism instead of evolution. They’re scared to death of science, because it threatens their belief in Ja-hay-sus.
Others have been known to let their kids watch TV all day for “classroom instruction”. There are plenty of horror stories out there. That’s what California is trying to address.
IMO, ignorant parents have the potential to program their children in ways much worse than school systems. I guess they have a right to raise their own children to be just as ignorant, but then I want the right to have them kept away from mine.
I’m unsure what you mean here… Do you mean that if it may be best for a child to be home schooled, then why is it no longer best when that home schooling is of a religious nature?
I wrote that I think the best form of schooling is telling a child all possible theories and letting the choose what they think is right.
It really depends what you are teaching though, I mean who would ever teach a child that 2 + 2 = 5. Or that a verb was not a ‘doing word’. I think what this topic is more about is ideas, rather than facts.
Religious freedom is fine, but do you think raising your children as what ever religion you are is giving that child religious freedom? I would love to see how many kids, if never taught religious beliefs would upon reaching 16, choose to become part of any religion.
Producing good little factory workers is not the aim of education, at least it shouldn’t be. Producing free thinking, independently capable workers should be.
See above. Religious freedom should be compatible with critical thinking. I don’t see why you think the two are at odds
The point is that the child should be given access to the ‘best education’. It’s not up to the parents to decide a ‘lesser education’ is right for the child, it is up to the child.
…and if you don’t comply they fuck your life up for the next few decades just to spite you - they make it a lose/lose situation, as to force compliancy!
Home-schooling or otherwise: the state will be ready and very willing to utilise the fresh blood society so readily provides!
Most people are intelligent and can be trusted. This is a tool “they” use against us, making us think that most people are stupid. Divide and conquer. You can trust 99 percent of parents to make good decisions and to teach their children well.
Ruling by the Second District Court of Appeal, inpart. courtinfo.ca.gov/opinions/do … 192878.PDF