The Structure of Good and Evil by Degree of Human Constitution

****The Structure of Good and Evil by Degree of Human Constitution

Good people are people who embody the narrative that others maintain about themselves and the group they gain identity from. If one fits the narrative of what constitutes another’s or group’s identity then that person is good, if one is misaligned then they are evil.

People tell themselves and eachother a story.

The story gives identity to themselves and or the group.

Those that align with the story are good because people desire identity.

Those that do not are evil because it questions the desires for said identity.

So the question of good and evil is an assertion of whether one aligns or misaligned with the individual or group desire for identity for even the interpretation of Good and Evil, as structures, is a structure which reveals Good and Evil as distinct.

Good and evil are not things as much as interpretations of desire and by said interpretation does Good and Evil become a thing as the structure becomes the boundaries of identity.

What is Good, what is Evil, is the narrative that contains the attention of those who hold the narrative and this narrative itself is but unquestionable assertions by which the narrative is built.

In these regards Good and Evil, at a meta-level, is relegated purely to the force of assertion and whether or not that assertion, which structures to maintain itself across a scale of conditions that will test it, folds reality to a deep enough degree that meaning emerges by the effects of it.

This meaning is change, Good and Evil are founded on the nature of change itself for how things change determines the structure of reality and with it corresponding identities.

The question of Good and Evil was never about Good and Evil, it was always about identity for the question is identity oriented thus by degree Good and Evil are structural mechanics of attention derivation itself.

Even the mechanics of alignment and misalignment are inversely proportional to the structures of Good and Evil itself as a Good structure aligns alignment with Good as Good and misalignment as Evil, Evil structure aligns alignment with Evil as Good and misalignment as Evil. In these respects the nature of Good and Evil are contained within eachother and are invariant by degree of the process of alignment.

This alignment mechanic points to a form of unity in identity that scales across both for the Good derives a unity of identity and the Evil also derives a unity of identity but the degree of how that unity is embodied an propagated requires a functional mechanism that transcends both. There is Good that derives unity from the individual and unity from the group, there is Evil that derives unity from the individual and unity from the group. In these respects an isomorphism occurs where the foundational nature show an equivalence across structure thus relegating each to pure assertion as judgment and distinction.

Simultaneously the projection of absence of identity occurs for both as the Good will see Good in the Evil and the Evil will see Evil in the Good thus by further degree a mechanism of projective interpenetration occurs at a foundational level where the embodied narrative structure of one sees a potential presence, by degree of absence, in the other of said structure. In these regards the dichotomy of Good and Evil is belief driven in the respect of seeing a potential future which must be actualize through further attention.

The nature of the Good and Evil narrative is thus one of containment as each contains the other through its relation with the other by which each becomes distinctly defined, as each respectively, through the conflict.

This conflict maintains itself across scale with Good and Evil observing definitive narrative for a justification of said conflict which inevitably becomes unneccessary as the conflict is what Good and Evil essentially are. What is deemed as peace is a meta-narrative of the conflict that allows the conflict to scale towards a potential state the allows for its subsequent derivation of momentum.

The nature of the degree of these degrees is the attention itself for by attention does perspective become created and embodied while dually the corresponding assertions from it are directed into existence.

The assymmetry of existence is the potentiality by which each respect paradigm, Good and Evil as narrative, are allowed to fully express themselves as at a pure equilibrium each ceases to be at the individual and group narrative level.

This assymetry is the alternation of peace and conflict across time by which each becomes distinct for what each is and is not while simultaneously being the potential for the other to occur with conflict itself being the primary element as division allows for the identities of Good and Evil to remain within there respective narrative structures.

What remains across both is that which contains the attention of each and the perspectives that are these containers are the narratives themselves thus by default a functional degree of recursion subcedes each as the perspective is the repetition of a narrative and the narrative is the repetition of assertions compounded of themselves.

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You crammed way too much in there. WAY too much.
You could make an entire thread about each paragraph you wrote, because while you did build a coherent line of thought from start to finish, every part and every conclusion you drew through it midways is highly debatable.

For starters, good and evil are simply relativistic terms.
You can measure, compare, relate them to a plethora of things and interpret them through biology, physics, existentialism, psychology, ethics and so on and so forth.
You picked tribalism and social narrative for your basis, and it works for the purpose of the thought experiment but otherwise it is not the true nature of good and evil.

Its an interesting read, but it just overloads me. I would need to write 20+ pages to respond to it properly.

You said everything is relative, so whether everything was crammed or not is relative by your own logic.

Relativism is a narrative structure. It is a set of distinctions that forms a perspective that people further assert to explain why things are what they are and are not.

“Debatable” is also perspective.

The text just predicted the dynamics of everything you where going to say before you said it.

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Good and evil are merely conceptual words to describe positive or negative human behaviors. Behaviors that are creative or destructive in relation to human beings, society, and civilization.

There are conflicting disagreements of course but that doesn’t take away too much from them.

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Is destroying a lie evil because it is destructive?

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@eodnhoj7

Deceiving others is generally not good practice at social relations.

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If decieving is contradictory narrative transmission than any claim is a relative deception according to context as any claim misaligns to some degree.

Even enlightenment and non-enlightenment are deceptions by degree.

In those respects there is nothing that is good.

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@eodnhoj7

It seems you’re taking the position of a moral nihilist or even a nihilistic moral skeptic.

Regardless, all human behaviors have positive and negative consequences regarding actions.

Human behaviors that are either helpful or harmful.

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I said good and evil are relativistic terms.
Other than that… not sure what the point of stating the obvious is. Every individual follows their own individual logic. That was just a rather fancy way of saying “in your opinion” and i have no idea what the implication of that is supposed to be.

If you go by that logic, then everything can be portrayed as a narrative structure when told by an individual. The structure of the narrative is simply defined through/by the lens that is you.

That too is a perspective.

You dont need 2 pages of text to describe the dynamics of subjective interpretation. In fact, it takes exactly 2 words to do so.

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Not all all. I am following the course of your own logic.

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Subjective interpretation is a narrative.

Relativity is not argued…nor asserted.

You claim the text is too dense, and yet argue without being aware of the layers.

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@eodnhoj7

If that is the case, can you elaborate even further so that I know if I am understanding you correctly?

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Sure…and correct me if I misquote as I am going off of memory.

So you said good is doing no harm and evil is destruction.

So I responded that destroy lies is then evil.

To which you responded, that it is not good to decieve people at a group setting.

To which I stated than any narrative that does not line up in all degrees is deception (where I implied all narratives have a degree of misalignment thus are deceptive by nature).

And then you claimed I was a nihilist.

To which I responded no.

So that is the jist of it off of memory (multitasking right now so correct the errors).

So what the pattern shows, in the dialogue, is that all claims contain their opposite…which is what the text argues.

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@eodnhoj7

I didn’t claim you are indeed a nihilist, was more of an assumed estimated guess or positioned mental curiosity. Sorry if I came off presumptuous there. I honestly don’t know much about your views other than you have an aptitude in quantum physics from that other thread.

Moral or existential nihilism is all the rage these days in discussions where master-slave morality has basically positioned itself into public discourse altogether largely.

Well, in my mind if you destroy something harmful especially something that is harmful towards others you in fact have done a good virtuous action.

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Nihilism is a phase. A new morality will come when the phase is over. It is cultural conditioning. Nihilism is a narrative to create a vacuum for another one. This is all structured.

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@eodnhoj7

There does appear to be historical, existential, and socially interactive cycles.

One human illusion consumes another and one is traded for the other known as transition.

We try to find peace and stability in this temporary existence hoping to provide future generations with less suffering than what we experience here in the now. We try to rationalize a better world which is a worthy and admirable goal, but ultimately these cycles you mention are unavoidable it would seem. We are simply thrown into the thrust of them.

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What you just described has occured for countless millenia. What remains is desire.

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I tend to forget that its other people who get to tell me what i am and am not aware of.

Sorry for intruding.

You where the one claiming it is too dense while claiming everything is relative.