=D> Wonderful! Why can’t people get onboard this? You hit it dead on here, I am usually impressed with how you present your arguments, but you seem to be taking a wider perspective lately, trying to reach out to and understand those who disagree, and finding ways to educate them, to show them what is really going on! Anyone with an open mind who read this post of yours ought to at least be convinced to take another good hard look at things, to honestly evaluate themselves and their assumptions. I fear however that many people’s defensive mechanisms will keep them from seeing your post here. After all it has never ben a problem of access to information, but a psychological problem of being able to understand it, and understand it well enough to seek action.
My own part in this fight is pretty small so far, I only try to show other people what I think, and why I believe what I do. I try to talk to people about these ideas, usually with limited success. They might show a bit of curiousity, as they would for a dramatic movie, but then they go right back to watching MSNBC if they are a Dem, or Fox News if they are a Rep. It is frustrating, to be sure. Also, I dont vote, that is another small part I play, and I encourage everyone I know not to vote either.
But I have to say a big Thank You for your post here, I think it actually is deserving of its own topic. You could cut out the response-aspect of it and Magnet’s previous comments that you quote, and post it up on its own - I think people need to see this perspective, presented as you present it here. In fact I seriously am starting to think that this is THE perspective we ought to be taking on the issue, as it allows the “liberals” to realise that A) they are being misled by the same ‘evil’ globalist corporations that they think they are fighting, and B) that we are not enemies (them and us). . . this message needs to get out there, even if only in the form of an alternative perspective that will never be seen in the mainstream media, even the so-called “conservative” “alternative” media which is for the most part just a propaganda machine. So thanks for the post here, and for the perspective, and list of websites. It is telling, and I have noticed this too, that Google tends to skew results, this has been documented also I know. They are heavily interlaced with government and corporate influence, which is a dangerous thing considering their power. You ought to look into the Deep Web, I am starting to get into it more, as an alternative to Google and other corporate search engines. After all our ability to find information is just about our only power left to us - theyve taken away most people’s desire for information, but once they remove the physical ability for us to access it, well, game over. Then we are really fucked.
My dear dreamscaper
it really does not matter
which side of the global warming debate any of us are on
the basic fact is that we have poisoned our earth, air and water
and should stop doing so immediately
if not sooner
the carcinogens are killing our loved ones
Nor does it matter who and or what the robber barons are scheming up next
when they dumb up to a ridiculous end
as they inevitably will
common sense reverts itself
the poor revolt
and the dumb heads roll anyway
I can appreciate passion in anybody, for the most part most of the people i live around couldn’t sit down and tell you what they believe. This is refreshing.
Regardless, to put into few words, some people don’t buy into the “global-warming” idea, I do agree that most statistical studies that are coming out are taking too small a scope, and are being used in a propaganda like manner, however, the problems that green-house gasses pose are very real. Yes plants are made of carbon, and every other living being, but none produce as much as the united states. I will actually cut this short, I am not here to discredit some ideas with mine, in my years, Ive grown cynical, and I’ve found that some people have ideas that are too far inset to what they believe, and nothing will ever change that, nothing. All i would like to leave here is this, very simple way of seeing “global warming”.
There is no way, there will be no repercussions to our actions, whether is called global warming, climate change, global cooling, we are polluting the earth, plain and simple, from deforestation, to sprawling w/o little regards to the repercussions, and we are choosing short term economic proliferation, over trying to preserve our land. Do i buy into “global warming”, it doesn’t matter, but I’m glad it came about because it is finally bringing attention to a very real problem.
Look Magnet Man. Are you familiar with the naturopathy vs. Allopathy arguments? If you are then you know that naturopathic medicine actually treats (or even cures) illnesses while allopathic medicine just treats the symptoms. That is what you are doing. You are treating the symptoms of the illness rather then the illness itself. The illness is not going to go away without effort. Cleaning up pollution may help, but it is not going to stop the people that are doing the major pollution. The whole pollution issue is a total whitewash anyway. I agree, there is pollution. But I don’t think the average person is the direct cause of said pollution. For instance, the water in New York. The water in New York was polluted via the use of toxic products. Products that were more or less forced upon people. If you want to use non-toxic products, you have to pay out the nose for them. And that is only recently that you could pay out the nose and get them, and they are going backwards on that. In the 80’s you had to make your own non-toxic products or do without entirely. In the 90’s people started waking up and new companies that produced non-toxic products started popping up. Now in the 2000’s all those companies are being bought out by such companies as proctor and gamble, and we have a mix of fake non-toxic products and their cheaper actual toxic counterparts.
Do you know how hard it is to get real, pure soap? It is damned near impossible. Most of the soap over the counter, even the “natural” stuff is fake. They use detergents instead of soap. Real soap cleans better, is a lot less toxic (you can even eat it), and not any harder or more expensive to produce then the detergents. But the detergents are industrial waste products so they basically came up with a scheme where you pay to bath in their pollutants and dump them down your drain. So you can clean the water in New York all you want. But it won’t solve the problem. The problem is pollutants keep getting dumped into the water supply. The cause of it is that some people have a ponzy scheme in which to illegally dump them down your drain. These are the people you are allowing to control your life. Until you stop allowing them to do so, the water is never going to be clean. It may be temporarily cleaner, but that is as far as it is going to get.
These manufacturers should be your enemy magnet man. Not so much the manufacturers themselves even, but the people who pull their strings. The oil companies, so called world leaders, secret societies, etc are all in on it. They are the ones destroying the earth, and part of their whole scheme is to make you guilty and make you feel as if you are doing it. Oh sure you can choose what products you buy. But they choose what products you can choose. They even set up governmental organizations to enforce their cartels and maintain the illusion of freedom of choice. The products they force on everybody are not superior products. They are highly inferior. That is because your buying them is not at all intended to serve your purpose. It is intended to serve theirs. And they have done VERY well at doing this and maintaining the facade that you are causing it with your freedom of choice.
Voting is a perfect example of this false freedom of choice. You choose which candidate gets elected, but they choose which candidates you can choose. Which one of their tyrants would you like? Better pick slave! You got communism or fascism. Hurry pick one! Then no matter who you pick, you are guilty for picking them. Thanks guys, they couldn’t do it without you. All your help picking their candidates for them and choosing which industrial wastes look better corroding the environment. Oh, what’s that, you want to clean it up? Yeah thats right slave! Get down on your hands and knees and clean that shit up or we’ll rub your nose in it!
Magnet Man, I am sure that you probably know as well as I do that there are non-toxic, sustainable alternatives for just about any product and service that are not only just as good but often times better. But there is a reason why things are the way they are today. It is not the free market that caused it, it is the totalitarian market that did. The one where you have little or no choice but to bath in industrial waste, or eat totally depraved non-sustainable foods. Those are the ones that get government subsidies. The others get charged fees by the USDA just so that they can claim that they are not depraved foods. So if you want to clean it up, let’s start with the source of the mess: government. And when I say government I mean corporations too. They are also government. They are public legal entities that collect taxes (the government taxes them, they raise their prices, you pay THEIR taxes). Isn’t that what government is? There can be no free market when such things are allowed to occur. If there are any public corporations allowed at all (which there probably should not be). They should be very heavily regulated and controlled by the people, and they should have to prove that they represent ONLY the interest of the public. That includes making non toxic products. Toxic products are against public interest, don’t you think?
Let me point one more thing out to you. You said they need to move new york to clean up the mess. This goes to the heart of what I am saying. You don’t want to stop pollution in new york, you want to move it to some other place to pollute so we can clean up the original cite. Do you realize how inefficient and ridiculous that is? Let’s stop the source of the pollution, the government via corporations. The people just buy and use whats on the shelves. The government and corporations in collusion with one another decide what to put there. Hence our problem. Fix the problem then clean the mess. If a man comes into the hospital bleeding to death, do they do his laundry and try and get the blood stains out before they stop the bleeding? That is what you are advocating. There is some bleeding, and you are more worried about cleaning up the blood then stopping the actual bleeding. Plain and simple.
What side of global warming you are on IS a main issue btw. Are you on the side of perverse corporate liars who seek power and control even at the cost of destruction of humanity and the environment, or are you on the side of the truth? That is how I see that issue. There is the phony good (global warming alarmists, ecumenical states and religions, the nanny state, etc) the genuine evil (big brother, cartels, tyrants, dictators, communists, etc), and the genuine good (libertarians, small government advocates, and truth seeking activists). I know you are not genuinely evil, so the question remains. Are you one of the phony good guys, or the REAL good guys? There aren’t enough real good guys around. That is why I am trying to recruit some of the phony good guys to our side. I think once they figure out what they are actually doing and who they are doing it for, they will happily join our ranks. You know, I talk to liberals all the time and bring up the depopulation thing. They think that it would be great to erase a large number of people. That is the same line of reasoning Hitler and Stalin used. These people have been tricked into doing evil deeds and supporting evil ideals in the name of good. And the phony conservatives are no better. Endorsing murder, torture, and big brother in the name of safety. The world has gone mad. Not on accident but by design. Lets wake up to reality and deal with the problem before it is too late.
God is Universal Consciousness
Consciousness is related to knowledge
the greater the knowing
the Greater the God
the purpose of the superorganism
is to accumulate experiential knowledge
and store it in Divine Memory
Our individual cells
for instance
have collected infinitely more memory than the Internet
over the past 100,000 generations of human development
this accumulated knowledge is shared throughout the superorganism
via procreation
I have no scientific proof of this
but enough rational acumen
linked to intuitive insight
to keep my mind open far enough
to entertain such lofty thoughts
instead of shutting down entirely
keeping my mind locked up
until somebody supplies proof