when you throw a rolled up piece of paper and it goes straight in the bin as if by accident, the Tao has achieved greatness. If you then practice that, eventually you will be able to mostly achieve the same thing. Its just you haven’t done that instantly. together [we and the way], if we try to learn it, and continue to seek perfection, there will be perfection found.
What comes after mankind as a better expression? perhaps robots ~ which would also be able to throw the paper in the bin perfectly, instantly, every time? Or perhaps you need the ‘uncarved block’ to achieve renewal, all of which rendering robots useless except in their utility as human helpers. There, take that AI!
that would be imperfect action: the actions of the person either when they can get the paper in the bin [skill] + the action of failing to do that, are both human actions. The Tao are those actions you are least involved with, they are at root ~ which is why one can learn the Tao and yourselves do something straight away without thinking about it.
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Lol probably, but that is skill ^^ ~ except when someone pops one in from real long range [so chance was involved]. the tao doesn’t directly make things move
anything like that for me is the Tao, if a tree is being cut down in a youtube vid, and in the foreground there is a glass table, we all know whats going to happen next eh.
But it probably is by accident, Amorpous. Unless someone is an expert at it, it is more or less a random thing and each time one tries to throw that paper in the bin, sometimes they will miss and sometimes they will hit. Yes, even the expert. One can’t depend on his having a bad day.
How can there be perfection since humans are flawed? Nothing can ever be 100% with flaw or blemish.
But there is a greater movement toward perfection (which can never be reached) when one strives. But let’s remember each one’s Tao is different. Yours may lead you to a greater ongoing flow and realization where it won’t lead me. If that made sense.
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Robots are a better expression of mankind? Millions of years of evolution and you’re saying that machines are a better expression of humanity than flesh and blood and consciousness, despite all our weaknesses and flaws?
You cold one, You.
Or, there is a kind of ‘weighting’ occurring, where all things in the universe are weighted [have polarity]. There are increasing levels of abstraction to attractions ~ which are a fundament of polarities, so when you cook that egg and it spits fat, you can bet it has a high likelihood of going in your eye, no? There are more events and a greater potentiality in the fat going in your eye than anywhere else, so by law of attractions the greater yield from the crop of localised events, the greater the ‘weight’ in the situations potentiality.
Perhaps we are too specific with our application of the laws of nature, or perhaps I am making spurious connections, but there are examples of nature using maths in abstract ways [like earthquake aftershocks etc]. We have to ask which comes first, the duality or the particles manifest of it? Surely the thing that makes things ‘polar’ exists prior particles behaving in that fashion!
Humans may be flawed but the way [Tao] moves through and amongst all things, and who knows, our flaws may be a reflection of the differences which combined make up the Tao? Like I say, it is a journey and balance is lost and found everywhere. Perhaps to the Tao, like nature, there are no flaws but only the ‘uncarved block’ which itself is a kind of perfection. So yes, i’d agree its all about the ‘upwards’ movement that we combine to make.
of the Tao. …but I did go on to question that, so I was making the statement to that end.
But it probably is by accident, Amorpous. Unless someone is an expert at it, it is more or less a random thing and each time one tries to throw that paper in the bin, sometimes they will miss and sometimes they will hit. Yes, even the expert. One can’t depend on his having a bad day.
How can there be perfection since humans are flawed? Nothing can ever be 100% without flaw or blemish.
But there is a greater movement toward perfection (which can never be reached) when one strives. But let’s remember each one’s Tao is different. Yours may lead you to a greater ongoing flow and realization where it won’t lead me. If that made sense.
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Robots are a better expression of mankind? Millions of years of evolution and you’re saying that machines are a better expression of humanity than flesh and blood and consciousness, despite all our weaknesses and flaws?
You cold one, You.
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Basketball is the gayest sport there is. It is litterally dudes grinding on other sweaty dude’s bodies. On top of that, it’s endless shouting of vulgar language and profanities, trash talk etc. Its an uncomfortable atmosphere.
If you ever watch college basketball games, it is quite a spectacle to watch. People on the sidelines jumping up and shouting like chimpanzees, the airhead cheerleaders with permanent smiles on their faces, and whenever a player disagrees with the ref they have the same mannerisms of a confused baboon. It’s quite hilarious actually.
Its seams cold when you look at the computing side of it, and the science generally, but I don’t think they got it right. Well one guy on horizon [documentary] earlier tonight, likened the mind to a TV picture in that, you cannot look at individual or groups of neurons and see how mind works, you have to look at the whole thing. Currently they are doing that with simple creatures, but no mind even the simplest has been mapped as yet.
The pure info side of it is cold, but if you read any of my recent threads you would know I have been arguing against the mind being defined by the info.
So now take an android and give in consciousness, ~ the only way you are going to do that is how nature does it, ergo is no cold! You mothers think there is some spiritual bond, but you had nothing to do with the making of consciousness [apart from the exchanging of bodily fluids aspect of it].
Right, so now we can imagine a conscious robot which is the same as us in those terms! Only now it has a diamond body and can live anywhere in the universe. Heck we will be able to dump our bodies and plonk the brain into a robot body, ~ which means you loved ones wont get old and die. Is that cold, or is natures version of thing truly the cold one?
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So if the almighty trixie approves, then its ok?
I don’t think that will happen anyway, robots wont be dumb, and will know that humans are largely restricted to earth-like planets, whereas they have the whole universe.
Hallmark of Hollywood civilizations - They can make great machines and perhaps they are immortal, but they don’t have any idea of how their consciousness works or any way of verifying if other beings are actually sentient. In short, they are smart idiots. They evolved too fast and never realised their ego delusions. They think they’ve reached perfection before they’ve even ascertained what perfection even is. And this is the danger of Hollywood civilizations. And once they’ve reached what they believe perfection to be, their minds are utterly closed to their own idiocy.
It’s like the Q in Star Trek, idiot geniuses who have never even thought about the concept of ethical suicide. Of course, they’re still a step up from the baboons of the Enterprise crew.
I take your point/complaint, but that’s a problem with humans always thinking they are way advanced. They may make a conscious robot prior to knowing what that is, and then they wont understand it, though we don’t understand human consciousness either.
My argument here isn’t about whether or not robots will conquer us [thats in the machines… thread], it is about perfection and the journey to find it.
A robot can find perfection of movement ~ doing things like throwing the paper in the bin, but without the journey it perhaps cannot learn of, or be an expression of the Tao. Here I am using ‘tao’ as a vehicle for the human journey and ultimate advancement.
