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I had a rough night, and was upset about liz, and thought about many other things.

I will confine the list to an search for God which took hold of me and practically shook me to the roots. I think I came to an understanding of God, an understanding so different from the one held previously.

Everybody posting on religious topics may be disappointed but I have found out last night
That there really is no god, at least in the conventional interpretation,

I think there is a logos, and it is a logos of understanding. The logos is in the center of everything, and it is a place of infinitesimally spatial/temporal state. Now everything is in this place, all the attributes of God-perfect knowledge included.

The way this knowledge disseminates with creation, is exactly as described in genesis in the beginning…and prophesied toward the end the culmination with the end of times.

Creation is a physical, cognitive and spiritual event, with these three types of energies being really one energy. This is the holy trinity. The description of violating God’s law over the forbidden fruit, is a description of man, eager to become as God. It is the first test of faith. That test, actually doomed this creation to it’s self destruction, because it brought in along with faithlessness, fear and insecurity into the world.

One of the commandments of God was that He shall have no other gods worshiped before him. We have violated that commandment.

The science mankind developed has become that other God,and we have become emboldened in it’s worship, thinking anything can ultimately be known.

Reality develops necessarily with This need to know, but the knowledge God entrusted man was limited to knowledge of Him, the creator. But man could not live well enough alone, and in essence his science sought to equal that of God, in effect trying to become a creator himself.

The logos, the ultimate essence of all things is the ultimate price, and fear and insecurity increases exponentially, as science tends to give the impression of approaching this limit. The limit is essentially a of discernibility, the discernment of the de-differentiated nature of god, as the holy trinity in one. It is fearful to approach any limit because of the uncertainty of finding out what is beyond it.

The creation finding it’s own cause has to do with the uncertainty of finding one’s self in that very cause, beyond that limit.

Will man find himself as god united with god, as part of the holy trinity?

Unlikely if we believe in the bible verbatim. More likely is the alternative, the opposite of the big bang, the singularity sucking in it’s own creation in a final act. I believe this is the significance of the original act of disobedience, and the alpha/omega will reappear in another creation, eternally reappeared until finally the state of absolution is reached.

At that point that absolute will join the eternal essence of spatial temporal infinitum within it’s own negation, and become at one with god.

I think in this sense, Nirvana can individually be achieved through samsara, as a singular example of cosmic forces.

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There are people who deduce ‘God’. It looks to me like you are one of that type. You thought about it allot, then came to a conclusion.
Then there are people in history claiming to hear or see ‘God’ first hand, free from the deductive process.
The people in general refer to God as a spirit, but it has tangible qualities.
I believe that the majority of spirits are foreign to the physical world, and many of them can lie.
Maybe you should be glad you can’t experience the God. If you did experience it, it would consume your whole life.

I was planning on posting a non-serious reply of silly crap, but I didn’t have it in me at the time.

Would you like to know my position on ‘God’?

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Dan: indeed I would. Right now i am going through a sort of realization that it is time to dig deep.  I thought, and still do, that although as you so rightly point out, that although my proof is deductive, it is multi leveled enough. Add to that the prophetic realizations which corroborated the forthcoming events to pass, it made perfect sense.

 However, I am looking keenly toward your descriptions.
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The core or center point of creation. Some people think it is at the center of the physical universe, where as other people think that the center of creation is in a higher dimension which is at a completely different position in reality. I looked up Logos online and I got the wikipedia article.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logos

In my visions the spirits tend to say that the many realms have a sort of a life span. They all eventually burn out, but before they burn out, they generate a large amount of monatomic consciousness, and part of it can re-animate in life forms and new planets.

In general, old fashioned magic theory, things like planets and realms have governers as well as intelligences, and what I mean by intelligences is consciousness. Minerals and bacteria generate a bit of it. Reality generates this precious substance, which is a source of the causal and the evolutive. Our body also generates this. By many means, consciousness and will are harvested and generated out of creation, to fuel huge god-like spirits. These are the spirits of creation. Some of them become proud and egotistical, claiming to be God. Then comes endless wars.

The most personal and benevolent God is like a tree. It is the tree which all life creates. But like a tree, it cannot control its own body or reality completely. Higher levels of it are strong and dynamic, but its lower parts are heavy and automatic. The spirits of creation are at the highest bright colored branches.

The reason for evil is disease and unconscious acts, or only partially conscious acts. A fully conscious act is usually reasonable and good.
If the tree could stop evil it would, but it’s just getting by, trying to last through the rises and falls of the realms.

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The above sounds like a co generational yet not an absolute generationally based multi realm process.

Would you not be compelled to draw a parell between the evolution of such a notion within greco-roman multi god based idea into the one god judo christian one? I draw parallels tangentially, in accord with inductive rather then deductive reasoning, in order to overcome the deductive way I seem to have drawn the conclusions I did.

With that in mind, how would you, &/or your sources meet the challenge of a unity with and within a god head? For me the idea of the holy trinity is able to overcome this difficulty.

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There are many centers in reality, but only one is best for you personally.
Unity does happen. Probably more often than disunity. Unity is more stable and long lasting. Disunity is conflicting and you know how draining that can be.
I’m guessing through my own deduction that the majority of reality is a unity, and our physical realm is a lower one which is like “the tip of the iceberg”.

Unity might be like a black hole, a tiny little speck, but within it is a ton of energy. And since it’s unified, it doesn’t need to follow the patterns of thermo dynamic decay. Or, unity could be huge, spacially, and have many parts. Either way, I do think it is the major true state.

Any god seeker seeks divine shoe prints, divine creations, divine children. It’s all about the deductive process, since the God is not present or physical. The bible was meant to be a true note of history, of divine history. That is what the theologians used in their deduction. It seems to be that jesus left after his death. A god which left the earth, long long ago. This makes deduction very hard. Also human corruption makes divine records difficult or problematic.

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 So Dan, then we are in absolute agreement!
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Imagine that. Rare.