Theology After Nietzsche

i turned this paper in two weeks ago for an independent study on Nietzsche.

Note: All references to The Gay Science and The Antichrist are to the section/paragraph number and not the page number.

“After Nietzsche”
There are very few people whose name would invoke hatred amongst many “Christians” and love amongst many “atheists.” One such name is Friedrich Nietzsche. The interpretation of just one passage in his The Gay Science has sparked this great controversy. In it, Nietzsche states at one point that “God is dead”[Nietzsche, The Gay Science 125] and this one sentence has caused most theologians to abandon reading anything associated with Nietzsche. This one statement, taken out of its context, has supposedly created an army of atheists who see Christianity through these lenses that God is dead. There are some theologians, though, who have tried to acknowledge Nietzsche and re-appropriate things in Nietzsche (such as this death of God) into a new movement.
Acknowledging this diversity of thought, there are many questions to answer and many problems to resolve. First, what did Nietzsche mean in The Gay Science when his madman states that God is dead? To answer this question, it will be necessary to look at the rest of the passage to understand the phrase as well as the historical location of Nietzsche to understand his implications. The second question deals with those that have re-appropriated Nietzsche in theology: did these people understanding Nietzsche’s meaning or did they supply their own context and arguments for their ideology? To answer this, it will be necessary to look at their application of Nietzsche and compare it to the answer to the first question. The last question to entertain is whether or not one can re-appropriate Nietzsche’s “death of God” into theology and if so, how? The full answer to this question may be beyond one single essay, but I hope that enough will be seen in the other answers to make this answer obvious.

II. Nietzsche’s Words

As I have already noted, Nietzsche’s “death of God” is possibly the most misunderstood area of Nietzsche’s works and has served as the basis for misunderstanding the rest of Nietzsche’s works within theological beliefs. This section of The Gay Science, titled “The Madman,” is where any investigation should begin. The madman is very specific in naming the murderers of God. He is less specific as to how God is murdered, but that is answered when Nietzsche’s historical location is understood. In the section in question, the madman first asks “Where is God gone?” before answering his own question: “We have killed him,–you and I!”[TGS 125] It seems clear that for Nietzsche, the murderers of God are the people of the madman’s time. Yet, are these the same people of Nietzsche’s own time or are they some other people? How should these people be described?
The most amazing description of the murderers of God are that they are related to the religious as the madman went around spreading his message among the various churches. These churches have become “the tombs and sepulchers of God.”[TGS 125] As such, it seems logical to conclude that Nietzsche is implying that the priests and clergy are guardians of a cemetery and no longer ambassadors of some living (or even resurrected) God. Yet this does not bring us closer to the murderers of God. We must turn to more of Nietzsche’s works to better understand this. Later in The Gay Science, Nietzsche states that Schopenhauer first saw that belief in God was a lie.[TGS 357] Furthermore, Schopenhauer raised this as a problem with the rest of Europe; and it is this European conscience that finally ceased tolerating this lie.[TGS 357] This may bring us closer to discovering the murderers of God than what is first seen. Through this, it may be assumed that God’s murder occurred years (if not centuries) before Schopenhauer.
Jumping back in history, we can see when God became a tool of man for Nietzsche: the Jews and early Christians. First, the Jews begin interpreting “all happiness as a reward, all unhappiness as punishment for disobeying God, as 'sin.'”[Nietzsche, The Antichrist 25] As “sin” is introduced through the Jews, it becomes a device for the priestly class to maintain the order they want. To Nietzsche, the Jewish priests did not stop there and they began falsifying their history to further their control over others. For Nietzsche, the Jews continued to negate the ideals of what was natural and seen in all of the non-Jewish people. Through this, the Jews were able to form Christianity to suit their own needs:
The ‘holy people,’ who had retained only priestly values, only priestly words for all things and who, with awe-inspiring consistency, had distinguished all other powers on earth from themselves as ‘unholy,’ as ‘world,’ as ‘sin’–this people produced an ultimate formula for its instinct that was logical to the point of self-negation: as Christianity, it negated even the last form of reality, the ‘holy people,’ the ‘chosen people,’ the Jewish reality itself.[TA 27]
Christianity has become the ultimate form of Judaism in that it even rejects its own true self. Nietzsche further sees the death of God being embedded in the fact that God is never found. There is no evidence anywhere for Nietzsche in the historical, natural, and even the supernatural. The death of God was the creation of a god. In Nietzsche’s mind, this is found clearly in Paul: “The ‘God’ whom Paul invented, a god who ‘ruins the wisdom of the world’ … is in truth merely Paul’s own resolute determination to…give the name of ‘God’ to one’s own will.”[TA 47]
Back to the madman, we find that individualism is what killed God as the madman asks, “Shall we not ourselves have to become Gods, merely to seem worthy of it [killing God]?”[TGS 125] In Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Nietzsche again critiques the priestly class by describing them: “As corpses they meant to live.”[Nietzsche, Thus Spoke Zarathustra in The Portable Nietzsche 204] Thus, it would seem that the Judeo-Christian priestly class in Nietzsche’s view has murdered God, replaced God with their own puppet, and have covered this up with a lie in the myth of the resurrected Christ. In other words, we find that the murderers of God in Nietzsche’s view are the very people who claim to worship, follow, and represent God: the Christianity of Nietzsche’s world. We also see that they have murdered God by the very act of creating their own god and making it the true God in place of all that is natural and even supernatural. God is dead because the priests have killed God in their secret coup in their quest for power.

III. Nietzsche’s World

Nietzsche’s phrase “God is dead” may be understood now in terms of who and how, but it still needs to be placed in the context of Nietzsche’s meaning. There still remains to be determined whether or not Nietzsche’s “Christianity” was synonymous with Christianity as a whole or just in terms of a single section. Some see Nietzsche in terms of the Christian church contemporary to his day much like many see Kierkegaard in terms of the Danish church at his time. If Nietzsche was reacting primarily against the German Lutheranism of his day, how much of his critique is still applicable to theology today? If Nietzsche’s criticism was also in view of Christianity as a whole, we must discover how accurate are his depictions of Christianity and how should they affect Christian theology.
It should be noted that the figure of Jesus appears to largely be excluded from his critiques of Christianity. He says in The Antichrist, “Jesus has been understood, or misunderstood as the cause of a rebellion; and I fail to see against what this rebellion was directed, if it was not the Jewish church–‘church’ exactly in the sense in which we use the word today.”[TA 27] As such, it would seem that in some ways, Nietzsche is aligning himself with Jesus against both Jews and Christians. Jesus was not some Redeemer/Son of God figure of salvation but rather a human who has displayed a “psychological reality of 'redemption.'”[TA 33] This makes Nietzsche’s attack on Christianity much different as he sees some characters in the historical development of Christianity in positive light. Nietzsche is thus very pointed in his critique and not simply being against anything labeled “Christian.” Through this, then, it should be noted that Nietzsche’s “opposition to Christianity as a reality is inseparable from his tie to Christianity as a postulate.”[Karl Jaspers, Nietzsche and Christianity 6.] That is, we cannot separate how Nietzsche believes Christianity is in theory from what it is in practice.
The Christianity which Nietzsche is radically against is the Christianity of the institution, the Christianity of doctrines. Nietzsche’s primary critique of Christianity is that it lies. He despises this Christianity because it flies against all of nature and makes power and the will to power evil. In this twisting of the slave morality and ressentiment into good, Christianity has made weakness a virtue and strength a vice. By doing this, the Christianity of doctrines has made faith into a matter of simple belief. This “faith,” says Nietzsche, only makes being a Christian a negation of that word. Faith is doing, not just believing. Mere belief is only a “cloak, a pretext, a screen behind which the instincts play their game.”[TA 39]
So what “Christianity” is Nietzsche reacting against? It seems that he is reacting against portions of “historic” Christianity (namely the focus on doctrine and ressentiment) and portions of the contemporary German Lutheranism (namely faith as simple belief and formulas). It is therefore important to understand which Christianity Nietzsche is criticizing before appropriating it into any kind of theological discourse. It would seem then that at least some of Nietzsche’s critiques should be seen as inapplicable to theology today as it has evolved in some ways beyond that of what he knew it to be. For instance, his abhorrence of simple, formulaic belief would have been very applicable just a few years ago with things such as “The Four Spiritual Laws,” but Christian theology appears to have moved beyond that formulaic spirituality, especially those that have began to approach postmodern philosophy and culture. As Stanley Grenz wrote, “our goal in proclaiming the gospel should not merely be to bring others to affirm a list of correct propositions.”[Stanley Grenz, A Primer on Postmodernism, 171] Yet, it is also true that some of Nietzsche’s critiques may still be applicable, such as the concept of ressentiment flowing underneath the surface of “anti-secularism” movements. This is something of which theologians should be keenly aware.

IV. Nietzsche Appropriated

Now that we have some understanding of Nietzsche’s critique of Christianity and the “death of God,” we should look at how it has been understood and appropriated in theology. Mark Taylor is one of the few who have appropriated Nietzsche into a working model of theology. In his Erring, Taylor notices in sections of Christianity something similar to Nietzsche’s madman: individualism. Taylor points out that it was Luther’s conception of Christ living and dying pro nobis–“for us”–that has radically shifted the focus of theology from God to self. This turn to the self has resulted in the slow removal of God, however defined, from the personal and public sphere. Morality, that hammer of control the Jewish priestly class used, has become nothing more than suggestion as Nietzsche sees people like Kant creating their own morals and their own categorical imperatives. There is no longer some kind of transcendent God, even if the people have not yet acknowledged it or their participation in it. God is dead long before people realize it.
This individualism, Taylor notes, is radically linked to the Enlightenment and, more specifically, Descartes. While Descartes radicalized doubt, he also made truth something pro nobis as it is linked to certainty, which can only exists in the self.[Mark C. Taylor, Erring: A Postmodern A/Theology, 22] As such, Taylor makes the men of the Enlightenment the ultimate murderers of God. Can this be reconciled with the above that the priestly class killed God? I believe so. Taylor consistently links the death of God with the death of the Christian God. As I have noted above, Nietzsche sees this God as a mythological figure created by the priestly class. It was also noted that this myth was brought to public awareness through Schopenhauer. It would then seem that we have two different deaths of God: one by the priestly class (who also made a replacement God) and one by the Enlightenment (which is really the death of this created God). Taylor is so far consistent with Nietzsche.
Taylor continues to follow Nietzsche’s thought as he expands on the individualism that has killed God: “If the master is God and the slave man, then man’s murder of God is an act of self-deification.”[Taylor 25] This is an echo of Nietzsche’s sentiments from earlier: the murderers of God have attempted to become gods in order to seem worthy of this event. As such, this death of God “appears to be the birth of the sovereign self.”[Taylor 25] Taylor does not end there. Taking this further, he expands on this death of God and states that it also brings about the death of the human self. As Nietzsche has indicated in The Antichrist, the creation of Christianity is ultimately a perfection of Judaism by the Jews as it negates even itself.[TA 27] It is no coincidence, then, that ultimate death of God, as it brings the birth of the sovereign self would also bring with it the death of the self. This is the nihilism which Nietzsche saw and embraced. Taylor writes that “Nihilism can be a sign of weakness or a mark of strength. Unable to accept loss and anxious about death, the partial nihilism of the modern humanistic atheist is a sign of weakness.”[Taylor 33] Yet, as Nietzsche embraces this nihilism completely and to the point of acknowledging the murder of God, Nietzsche makes it a sign of strength. By accepting the death of God and entering into the act of creation, man can overcome this murder of God and return to the natural order of noble things and, possibly, beyond the notions of good and evil.

V. Finding God

It is through this fullness of nihilism that theology must pass in order to rediscover the oldest God. This God is not the self, but also not the radically Other. The path of nihilism is the one that can navigate theology safely between the rock and whirlpool that past theologies and philosophies have found. Through this path, there can be a radical rebirth of God in the middle place. As a measure of trust, theology should allow play in the future, not seeking to lose the pathos of the self or the ethos of the divine. Through this wandering and playing, we find the essence Taylor calls erring. It is through this purposeful drifting and transgression that theology may resurface from its own death and we can possibly find God for the first time.
The death of God, a controversial phrase, has sparked many misunderstandings: James Sire wrote of the death of God: “When God dies, both the substance and value of everything else dies with it.”[James Sire, The Universe Next Door 3rd Edition, 173] Nietzsche definitely had something else in mind and this did not include the death of valuation. It included the death of the old system of values and the creation of a new set. Through this death of God, we can be assured that if something does not begin to create, we are left in a weakened state. By navigating through the death of God and the subsequent nihilism, we may begin to create theology and find God.

I came to a different conclusion for Nietzsche’s idea on the death of God. I thought it was due to “revenge against the witness”. In Zarathustra he claims “The Ugliest Man” murdered God because he did not want his pity and him peering into the dark, ugly depths of the human soul. God witnessed all the ugliness in the soul of man, and so man wanted revenge and therefore murdered God for doing so.

But, do remember that later on in Zarathustra that when the ugliest man basically “repents” of his actions, Zarathustra leaves him. Even later (in the section “The Higher Man”), Zarathustra goes on to suggest that all men have killed God, it is just that the Ugliest one acknowledged it. Then, for one to overcome the notion of God, he must go beyond that acknowledgement. The Ugliest man wasn’t ugly enough because he repented and mourned killing God. The Higher man goes on so that the overman may live. Also, there is still the parts in The Antichrist where Nietzsche says that the Jewish priests, by using God as a tool for their morality, they started to kill God and it was the Apostle Paul who ultimately gave the coup de grace.

Nobody - this is wonderful. I so rarely read any interpretation of Nietzsche this coherent, with this depth of understanding. Given what I perceive as a very poor state of education in philosophy, I urge you, if you have an interest, in pursuing a career as a teacher. I do not find Nietzsche difficult at all, but so many do. I can only assume you aced this paper. I could quibble on a few points, but that is just a temperamental predisposition to nitpick.

Well done. Pleasure to read. Made my day. Thanks for posting it.

Yes, i did ace it. i’m in an MA program in Religious Studies with my focus on postmodern theology. This paper is a fore-runner to my thesis. i plan on teaching at the university level once i complete a PhD program in philosophical theology (hopefully at Princeton Seminary). Thanks for the support!

Thoroughly intiruged reading this dissection of Nietzsches famous claim and your understanding of how Nietzsche wrote about the ‘psychology of faith and religion’.

Interesting work…

I have heard it said that Nietzsche does not entirely reject that notion that ‘a God’ exists…but rather that the Christian and Jewish systems of belief are in fact ‘in error.’

Can anyone perhaps elaborate on how exactly Nietzsche may come to terms with a ‘God’ existing?

In many ways, the overman is Nietzsche’s replacement for “God.” It’s important to note, though, that the overman is almost mythological in that Nietzsche didn’t see himself or Zarathustra even as an overman. So, while Nietzsche (in my opinion) doesn’t totally reject the notion of a “God,” the practicality of such a notion is very much non-existent. Also, i don’t think he’s against anyone claiming a “God”–as long as they don’t use it as leverage for their morality (e.g. the Jews and the Christians, which are nothing more than Jews in disguise). But, that seems to be Nietzsche’s view of truth and knowledge as well: possible but highly unlikely to be relevant to anything living. In many ways, it’s just part of his rejection of Platonism. With Platonism, the Forms, while perfect and ideal, are inaccessible even to Plato (cf. Meno and Theaetetus). Nietzsche’s main point with that is then: why bother with that at all?

Yes, No (may I call you “No”?). I would go one step further - Nietzsche was in many ways writing myth - virtually his entire body of work can be read as the Myth of the Overman. Nietzsche sees this as a legitimate, and even preferable form of philosophical exegesis. Zarathustra is part of that myth, of course.

You really shouldn’t be telling anyone this, though. This is top-secret Nietzsche stuff. It will cause even more misunderstandings.

Oh, well. Too late now.

Do you have a post on Kierkegaard?

I think it’s fair to say that Nietzsche didn’t dismiss the idea of a “god”. I also think he was more interested in exposing Christian morality than in actually destroying it. He has his moments of resignation to it, anyway.

One of the most important ideas to keep in mind is just what you say here - his rejection of Platonism, which he does dozens of ways. And sometimes that’s all he’s up to. Sometimes it’s Hegel.

Just repeating for emphasis - it’s a simple but very important point.

Colin - I’m not sure if I can help you, but to Nietzsche, the most important kind of truth is psychological truth. Nietzsche essentially gave David Hume what he had lacked - traction.

That’s all I got.

Hmm… “No” sounds like an interesting name…
Actually, i did a paper on Kierkegaard in the Winter dealing with Kierkegaard attack upon Christendom (and how he distinguished Christendom from Christianity). The PDF is on my site (www.impleri.net/downloads/). i amy convert it to to a format that’s legible here.

No - Yeah, you should post it. No one writes about Kierkegaard anymore. It’s also well done. Might spark a little sumpin’-sumpin’ over on the Religion board, no? No?

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I enjoyed your work, but I wish to bring to your attention one mighty problem.
You have concluded this work by saying:
“By navigating through the death of God and the subsequent nihilism, we may begin to create theology and find God.”
If you allow me the metaphor, God is dead. It isn’t that He has been lost. The madman is not herding the sheeps to look for the lost sheeperd. God is dead.
So here is the danger. After navigating through this event and avoiding a cripling nihilism, how does one avoid, in the creation of any theology the creation of a new God? The point is that the conditions that led to the pronunciation of God’s death have not disappeared, but increased. The new mind is firmly established- this analytical mind that is quite individualistic. How do you put the genie back in the bottle? How does God make a “re-appearance”, how is He ever found, before the eyes of these athenians? Theology won’t bring God, that Old God as it were, back to life, but if it could, then we would simply have what Feuerbach criticised: A man-made “God”.
People are not looking for their own illusions; their wish fulfillments consciously. The Faithful believe in a figure outside themselves; Salvation, not as a psychological transformation, but as a transfiguration, a perfection of body as well as of mind. Settling for less, theologians, in my opinion never resurrect God, nor find God, but create a narrative that needs no god, new or old, dead or alive.
It seems to me that this will be tied to that “Child state”, that comes after the camel and the lion. Yet this is a wheel, a cycle that cannot stop. The Child will inevitably grow into the Camel and the Lion, before becoming a child once again.
A new theology is placed, accepted and used. Limits emerge; critics attack; the new theology weakens and succumbs to orthodoxy. Finally the orthodoxy must also be abandoned and another option, a new narration, conversation, a new theology, in short, emerges.

i believe you are misinterpreting Nietzsche’s nihilism. He’s not pushing for the kind of (what i will call) pop-nihilism that many people (especially young college students) think when they read Nietzsche. The notion of God is not necessary for society any more (that’s Nietzsche’s “God is dead” in a nutshell…cf. Nietzsche’s Beyond Good and Evil and Will to Power)), but when we get to theology, we’re not talking about society and/or progress any more.
Furthermore, Nietzsche’s criticism, as i mentioned in the article, is against the man-made “God” the Jewish priests created and Paul perfected (cf. Nietzsche’s The Antichrist and Twilight of the Idols). In other words, to butcher the phrase, the genie never left the bottle. The God of theology is still around, but it’s buried and hidden off in an unknown space of relational “truth” (i do not mean to imply some kind of absolute or objective truth, but a subjective one similar to Nietzsche’s perspectivism…cf Vattimo’s Beyond Interpretation).
i do agree that theology never really reaches God and often becomes a stagnant orthodoxy. But that doesn’t mean we can’t attempt to get closer. If a theology is truly liquid enough, it might not get the problems that most systematic theologies suffer. i think there is some kind of theology where there are no theists or athiests (cf. Zabala, Rorty, & Vattimo’s The Future of Religion). Beyond that, i think that Mark Taylor was pointing in that direction with his Erring. i also think that Stanley Grenz was attempting the same thing in his last work, The Named God and the Question of Being. i think that there is a place between Scylla and Charybdis.

i believe you are misinterpreting Nietzsche’s nihilism. He’s not pushing for the kind of (what i will call) pop-nihilism that many people (especially young college students) think when they read Nietzsche. The notion of God is not necessary for society any more (that’s Nietzsche’s “God is dead” in a nutshell…cf. Nietzsche’s Beyond Good and Evil and Will to Power)), but when we get to theology, we’re not talking about society and/or progress any more.
Furthermore, Nietzsche’s criticism, as i mentioned in the article, is against the man-made “God” the Jewish priests created and Paul perfected (cf. Nietzsche’s The Antichrist and Twilight of the Idols). In other words, to butcher the phrase, the genie never left the bottle. The God of theology is still around, but it’s buried and hidden off in an unknown space of relational “truth” (i do not mean to imply some kind of absolute or objective truth, but a subjective one similar to Nietzsche’s perspectivism…cf Vattimo’s Beyond Interpretation).
i do agree that theology never really reaches God and often becomes a stagnant orthodoxy. But that doesn’t mean we can’t attempt to get closer. If a theology is truly liquid enough, it might not get the problems that most systematic theologies suffer. i think there is some kind of theology where there are no theists or athiests (cf. Zabala, Rorty, & Vattimo’s The Future of Religion). Beyond that, i think that Mark Taylor was pointing in that direction with his Erring. i also think that Stanley Grenz was attempting the same thing in his last work, The Named God and the Question of Being. i think that there is a place between Scylla and Charybdis.

i believe you are misinterpreting Nietzsche’s nihilism. He’s not pushing for the kind of (what i will call) pop-nihilism that many people (especially young college students) think when they read Nietzsche. The notion of God is not necessary for society any more (that’s Nietzsche’s “God is dead” in a nutshell…cf. Nietzsche’s Beyond Good and Evil and Will to Power)), but when we get to theology, we’re not talking about society and/or progress any more.
Furthermore, Nietzsche’s criticism, as i mentioned in the article, is against the man-made “God” the Jewish priests created and Paul perfected (cf. Nietzsche’s The Antichrist and Twilight of the Idols). In other words, to butcher the phrase, the genie never left the bottle. The God of theology is still around, but it’s buried and hidden off in an unknown space of relational “truth” (i do not mean to imply some kind of absolute or objective truth, but a subjective one similar to Nietzsche’s perspectivism…cf Vattimo’s Beyond Interpretation).
i do agree that theology never really reaches God and often becomes a stagnant orthodoxy. But that doesn’t mean we can’t attempt to get closer. If a theology is truly liquid enough, it might not get the problems that most systematic theologies suffer. i think there is some kind of theology where there are no theists or athiests (cf. Zabala, Rorty, & Vattimo’s The Future of Religion). Beyond that, i think that Mark Taylor was pointing in that direction with his Erring. i also think that Stanley Grenz was attempting the same thing in his last work, The Named God and the Question of Being. i think that there is a place between Scylla and Charybdis.

i believe you are misinterpreting Nietzsche’s nihilism. He’s not pushing for the kind of (what i will call) pop-nihilism that many people (especially young college students) think when they read Nietzsche. The notion of God is not necessary for society any more (that’s Nietzsche’s “God is dead” in a nutshell…cf. Nietzsche’s Beyond Good and Evil and Will to Power)), but when we get to theology, we’re not talking about society and/or progress any more.
Furthermore, Nietzsche’s criticism, as i mentioned in the article, is against the man-made “God” the Jewish priests created and Paul perfected (cf. Nietzsche’s The Antichrist and Twilight of the Idols). In other words, to butcher the phrase, the genie never left the bottle. The God of theology is still around, but it’s buried and hidden off in an unknown space of relational “truth” (i do not mean to imply some kind of absolute or objective truth, but a subjective one similar to Nietzsche’s perspectivism…cf Vattimo’s Beyond Interpretation).
i do agree that theology never really reaches God and often becomes a stagnant orthodoxy. But that doesn’t mean we can’t attempt to get closer. If a theology is truly liquid enough, it might not get the problems that most systematic theologies suffer. i think there is some kind of theology where there are no theists or athiests (cf. Zabala, Rorty, & Vattimo’s The Future of Religion). Beyond that, i think that Mark Taylor was pointing in that direction with his Erring. i also think that Stanley Grenz was attempting the same thing in his last work, The Named God and the Question of Being. i think that there is a place between Scylla and Charybdis.

i believe you are misinterpreting Nietzsche’s nihilism. He’s not pushing for the kind of (what i will call) pop-nihilism that many people (especially young college students) think when they read Nietzsche. The notion of God is not necessary for society any more (that’s Nietzsche’s “God is dead” in a nutshell…cf. Nietzsche’s Beyond Good and Evil and Will to Power)), but when we get to theology, we’re not talking about society and/or progress any more.
Furthermore, Nietzsche’s criticism, as i mentioned in the article, is against the man-made “God” the Jewish priests created and Paul perfected (cf. Nietzsche’s The Antichrist and Twilight of the Idols). In other words, to butcher the phrase, the genie never left the bottle. The God of theology is still around, but it’s buried and hidden off in an unknown space of relational “truth” (i do not mean to imply some kind of absolute or objective truth, but a subjective one similar to Nietzsche’s perspectivism…cf Vattimo’s Beyond Interpretation).
i do agree that theology never really reaches God and often becomes a stagnant orthodoxy. But that doesn’t mean we can’t attempt to get closer. If a theology is truly liquid enough, it might not get the problems that most systematic theologies suffer. i think there is some kind of theology where there are no theists or athiests (cf. Zabala, Rorty, & Vattimo’s The Future of Religion). Beyond that, i think that Mark Taylor was pointing in that direction with his Erring. i also think that Stanley Grenz was attempting the same thing in his last work, The Named God and the Question of Being. i think that there is a place between Scylla and Charybdis.

i believe you are misinterpreting Nietzsche’s nihilism. He’s not pushing for the kind of (what i will call) pop-nihilism that many people (especially young college students) think when they read Nietzsche. The notion of God is not necessary for society any more (that’s Nietzsche’s “God is dead” in a nutshell…cf. Nietzsche’s Beyond Good and Evil and Will to Power)), but when we get to theology, we’re not talking about society and/or progress any more.
Furthermore, Nietzsche’s criticism, as i mentioned in the article, is against the man-made “God” the Jewish priests created and Paul perfected (cf. Nietzsche’s The Antichrist and Twilight of the Idols). In other words, to butcher the phrase, the genie never left the bottle. The God of theology is still around, but it’s buried and hidden off in an unknown space of relational “truth” (i do not mean to imply some kind of absolute or objective truth, but a subjective one similar to Nietzsche’s perspectivism…cf Vattimo’s Beyond Interpretation).
i do agree that theology never really reaches God and often becomes a stagnant orthodoxy. But that doesn’t mean we can’t attempt to get closer. If a theology is truly liquid enough, it might not get the problems that most systematic theologies suffer. i think there is some kind of theology where there are no theists or athiests (cf. Zabala, Rorty, & Vattimo’s The Future of Religion). Beyond that, i think that Mark Taylor was pointing in that direction with his Erring. i also think that Stanley Grenz was attempting the same thing in his last work, The Named God and the Question of Being. i think that there is a place between Scylla and Charybdis.

i believe you are misinterpreting Nietzsche’s nihilism. He’s not pushing for the kind of (what i will call) pop-nihilism that many people (especially young college students) think when they read Nietzsche. The notion of God is not necessary for society any more (that’s Nietzsche’s “God is dead” in a nutshell…cf. Nietzsche’s Beyond Good and Evil and Will to Power)), but when we get to theology, we’re not talking about society and/or progress any more.
Furthermore, Nietzsche’s criticism, as i mentioned in the article, is against the man-made “God” the Jewish priests created and Paul perfected (cf. Nietzsche’s The Antichrist and Twilight of the Idols). In other words, to butcher the phrase, the genie never left the bottle. The God of theology is still around, but it’s buried and hidden off in an unknown space of relational “truth” (i do not mean to imply some kind of absolute or objective truth, but a subjective one similar to Nietzsche’s perspectivism…cf Vattimo’s Beyond Interpretation).
i do agree that theology never really reaches God and often becomes a stagnant orthodoxy. But that doesn’t mean we can’t attempt to get closer. If a theology is truly liquid enough, it might not get the problems that most systematic theologies suffer. i think there is some kind of theology where there are no theists or athiests (cf. Zabala, Rorty, & Vattimo’s The Future of Religion). Beyond that, i think that Mark Taylor was pointing in that direction with his Erring. i also think that Stanley Grenz was attempting the same thing in his last work, The Named God and the Question of Being. i think that there is a place between Scylla and Charybdis.

i believe you are misinterpreting Nietzsche’s nihilism. He’s not pushing for the kind of (what i will call) pop-nihilism that many people (especially young college students) think when they read Nietzsche. The notion of God is not necessary for society any more (that’s Nietzsche’s “God is dead” in a nutshell…cf. Nietzsche’s Beyond Good and Evil and Will to Power)), but when we get to theology, we’re not talking about society and/or progress any more.
Furthermore, Nietzsche’s criticism, as i mentioned in the article, is against the man-made “God” the Jewish priests created and Paul perfected (cf. Nietzsche’s The Antichrist and Twilight of the Idols). In other words, to butcher the phrase, the genie never left the bottle. The God of theology is still around, but it’s buried and hidden off in an unknown space of relational “truth” (i do not mean to imply some kind of absolute or objective truth, but a subjective one similar to Nietzsche’s perspectivism…cf Vattimo’s Beyond Interpretation).
i do agree that theology never really reaches God and often becomes a stagnant orthodoxy. But that doesn’t mean we can’t attempt to get closer. If a theology is truly liquid enough, it might not get the problems that most systematic theologies suffer. i think there is some kind of theology where there are no theists or athiests (cf. Zabala, Rorty, & Vattimo’s The Future of Religion). Beyond that, i think that Mark Taylor was pointing in that direction with his Erring. i also think that Stanley Grenz was attempting the same thing in his last work, The Named God and the Question of Being. i think that there is a place between Scylla and Charybdis.