Theory of American Idealism

Well prompted by some of the posters here I decided to remark on things that are both of a political and philosophic nature. There has been and probably will be for quite a while much discussion about Ayn Rand and her contribution to philosophy, her philosophy of “objectivism” and “selfishness”. It seems to me that although she was born in Russia, she was born with an American soul. The American soul has become quite a horrible thing. Selfish, self absorbed, money hungry, volatile, you don’t have to think too much to realize why David Bowie wrote a song a few years back called I am Afraid of Americans. It has really gotten to the point where I really cannot deal with anyone that lives in New York City (I am from Long Island). I can only describe New Yorkers as blood thristy vampires, and no one realizes that Sex and the City the hit HBO show is really a barrel of malarky. Real life is definitely more like the Metro channels Single in the City where you see darlings manipulating five men to see who will tweak out first out of jealousy or a Lara Croft lookalike working for a Private Investigator to nab a cheating yuppie so his wife will divorce him and she will get all the cash.

I really cannot believe what has happened to this world, although I know that New York is a rather brutal and tribal place which is the real reason old Blue eyes (Frank Sinatra) sang “if you can make it here, you can make it anywhere”. I think the real problem with the USA is greed. We are so eager and ready to hunt out Communists, so we can open another superstore filled with a trillion more items then we can possibly ever need to buy ever, especially since the store next door carries the same things. I am not for Communism because I don’t think it accords with man’s nature but perhaps something in between Communism and Capitalism would be good because this is getting disgusting.

I understand the term “filth pigs” and perhaps most people are pigs but I believe that is a sad reflection of mankind. I refuse to look at other people as pigs, we are or should be beyond that. Our animal nature is the absolute worst and most distasteful part about us and this is not coming from some intellectual snob, but a regular Joe who is just about fed up with all the bullshit that I see. Capitalism wants pigs, television wants pigs. People are scared to do anything but consume, because someone told them that life wasn’t for them. I believe however that life was once about the Common Joe but he gave it away. I am currently reading On the Road by Jack Kerouac and I am utterly surprised at how he always found a nice person to give him a lift so he could get on to his destination. I don’t know, maybe New York has made me too hard, but I would bet that in these days Americans from anywhere are probably too scared to pick up a stranger in need of some free miles. Perhaps I am too cynical but I think all of these Law, Court, Police, Crime, Murder television dramas are brainwashing the populace into being afraid of everyone and into not trusting a soul. I mean how often do these crimes that you see on CSI actually occur in real life? I could be dead wrong here but it seems strange I never read about any of it in the paper. Maybe I read about 1 crazy murder a month like the case of the California man who killed his wife and unborn baby. That wasn’t even a New York crime. Why do I hardly ever hear about minority gang war fatalities? Do they exist? All I know is that every few days some American or Europeans are dying senseless deaths guarding Iraqi art museums. That gets reported, thats news.

But I promised philosophy and not just politics. Is the death of good-will and good feelings in the community a step towards totalitarianism. Was the “specter” of Socialism hidden in the ships that discovered America? Could that be what that new movie The Pirates of the Carribean is really symbolically about, or is it just another fantasy tale talking about people that have never and will never matter in the history of civilization. For me, things are not always what they seem. And what of the lack of trust? It seems to be that the lack of trust is the most conspicuous problem in America. Most of the people that I have known in my life either have covertly or overtly hold dearly to the motto “trust no one”. Now on one level this is good common sense but on another and perhaps deeper level, is it even worth living in a world where you can’t trust anyone? Now maybe I am taking things a bit to literaly but its really just to make a point. In my eyes, if you can’t trust people, you will never be an important person. Throughout my life, people have always been able to tell me anything with the confidence that I would protect their message and that I wouldn’t share it with bad people. That is perhaps the best feeling in the world, simply when someone trusts you because they know who you are. Honestly, I don’t know how people live without that feeling but they do. These people are barely breathing and they are a scourge to the earth.

What can be done? I think that the people on the bottom of society in America as well in Europe are there because they are selfish and self-absorbed. Once you climb out of your needs and wants for even a short time you realize that there is a bigger world out there that needs improvement and it is your responsibilty to do it, which may in fact come at the price of some sacrifice. Ayn Rand is the first to preach about foregoing sacrifice and just saying me, me, me, and the last to realize that she made some serious sacrifices to get wealthy (she was never happily married or never had kids). Perhaps “objectivism” is really just about turning the world into an object to be consumed. For the fact that 9 out of 10 educated and non-educated females hate to be objectified by men, it really disgusts me that Ms. Rand would push this load of sloth upon us.

I don’t feel there needs to be radical solutions in order for change and progress of a different kind to occur in America and around the globe. Radical solutions rarely ever change anything as evidenced by Hannah Arendt’s cruelly telling remark that “the most radical revolutionary is a conservative a day after the revolution.” This means that the angry black oppressed man can become the fat greedy “white devil” caucasian with the drop of a hat. Of course no one wants to see this so they can keep their pockets full with excuses, ready to defend their mind with a “ruthless stubborness” (yes, a play on the Nazi’s famous line “ruthless toughness”) against anybody with a new point of view.

Change comes gradually and always superiorly through peacefull and intelligent moves. Change also comes slowly in small measured increments. Trying to change too fast leads to many people feeling resentment. So to reiterate the question: what can be done to make an unbearable world more bearable. Perhaps we should all slow down a bit and do somemore thinking and figure out a way to get out of our heads and into the real world, where real things are going on. American Idealism has polluted the world long enough, it is high time we focus on the practical, on what we can do for others. I believe it was Winston Churchill who said, “Ask not what your country can do with you, ask what you can do for your country.” I know for most people struggling to survive and that means the poor and middle class, the common Joes, this quote has become a source of enfuriation. What I am saying is that perhaps it shouldn’t. Perhaps we should temper our anger and rage and anxiety and see if we can get beyond the “me, me, me” syndrome and find out what people and our country really need from us.

“I think that the people on the bottom of society in America as well in Europe are there because they are selfish and self-absorbed”

You seem to have it backwards.

— I gave someone a ride a couple of days ago. I used to be very pro capitalist, but now i nurture the inner man. The idea of people working 80 hrs a week to buy cheap movies at walmart and watch crap on TV makes me want to regurgitate dead cow meat covered with melted cheese.
— Americans don’t climb out of their selfish world because they have never had to do it. We are spoiled.

Mcdaniel, thank you for responding, I think you are probably on the money. I know people that say they are from the projects and they had it tougher than tough, and no doubt they were from the projects and they have been through some hard times, but at the same time for one reason or another (maybe they were the favorite son/daughter or for some reason their family and friends felt bad for them or felt they needed the most love) they were spoiled rotten and now they are pretty much good for nothing. Its a shame really.

Anyway, maybe if I get some more good responses I will write part two.

What does our government exist for if not to further the ends of the majority of citizens? Also, I’m a little confused by some other things you say. How are the people on the bottom of society there because they are selfish? If you’re talking about welfare, I don’t buy that. I met someone on welfare last year who was so poor that instead of actually buying her own cigarettes she had to go through public ashtrays, get the tobacco out of the ends others had stubbed out and roll up using them. Welfare is certainly not something that most people choose.

I share your disgust at the materialism and selfishness inherent in society. However about where you said “in my eyes, if you can’t trust people, you will never be an important person” I completely lost track of your logic. People don’t trust anyone because they want to become important, because they suspect others do as well (rightly in most cases) and don’t want to be used. As you said, Ayn Rand became rich and important (in the only sense those words are ever used) through being selfish, greedy and self-absorbed. This is the “American Dream”.

Anyway, I think the problems you mentioned are caused by people seeing others as means to an end, rather than ends in themselves. Obviously if the majority of people think like this you are in constant danger of being used and exploited, and you will become paranoid, distrustful and see your selfish defensive behaviour as justified. The underlying problem is that people think that goods, possessions and material comfort can provide all they need for happiness. Obviously they can’t, and because of this you’ll dig yourself ever deeper into the pit because, not learning from countless previous examples, you’ll think that the next consumer item will be the one which makes you happy, it isn’t, and you move onto the next, becoming more and more desperate. As you become more and more ensnared by consumerism you will become more selfish and manipulative in your dealings with people as they take secondary importance to money.

grave disorder said:

“As you become more and more ensnared by consumerism you will become more selfish and manipulative in your dealings with people as they take secondary importance to money.”

Well, it took you quite a bit of words which is natural but you finally hit upon a genuine connection. Personally, I am impressed. I have never seen it that way. I guess that is the value of perspective. This last line that you wrote deserves further exploration.

theoryofexist:

I think it’s a great essay about American Idealism. First of all I must say I enjoyed reading this, because noone can describe the situation in the USA better than people who grew up and live there. I’ve faced some unpleasant facts about the country. I also agree that people over there are too manipulated by the media. I also have some relatives in Canada who moved their from the USA. And as they told me they had another feeling after crossing the border. The people in Canada seemed to be more friendly and free minded. I kept wondering what made them think that Americans were so unfriendly. But, in fact, before started exploring about the country (I guess a couple of years ago), I had believed that America is a dream of every european citizen. Today, it has changed after the tragedy of the 11th September! But I can tell you for sure that about 90% of europeans (I mean mainly Germany, France and Spain) are dreaming of America. It’s seen as an infinite political power! I’ve met many people with attutides like:" Hey, I want to be free, I move to America." The majority thinks that life is so easy over there and that they would be so free abroad. Life is always better there, where we’ve never been :slight_smile:

About the non-trusting and suspicious society:
It’s a pathetic fact, that the society is like that. That is why I long for 70ies and 80ies, because I think that in those times the life has been much easier, although I am not from that generation. But it seems that it’s getting worse with each day. People are suspicious everywhere and not only in the USA. I’ve been to many places and I must say that people who have no needs, but luxery are the part of society which is most suspicious and paranoid. I’ve been often in Spain and I noticed that the people there are more free minded and ‘easy’, I can’t explain why, but I am tempted to think that they have not much to lose.
Everyone of us is egoistic in some ways, but the most people think always only about their profit, what is very sad. How can we make it better if the majority is like this??? So suspicious, so curruptive, so egoistic, so fixed on money…
And I think that novadays, it’s hard to trust someone, just immediately. In most cases I’ve been disappointed deeply. And I learned that I better keep my issues for myself. Not that I exclude the chance someone to trust, but I tell You it’s really difficult. I think one part of the fault is caused by the government and the other part is on the shoulders of the society.
But like I said, only a big minority think the same way I do!

To the case of Rand: I think it was lack of improvement maybe which induced her to think “me, me,me”.

I am directed towards such this quotation and I think that it’s absolutely right. We have to think for ourselves and do something about our future and not only depend on the government (which is observed as protector by many among us).
Like Donald Trump said :" You have to think anyway, so why not think big?"

Regards,

xplicit^

Xplicit said this is what certain Europeans say:

“Hey, I want to be free, I move to America.”

Thats exactly it. It has been seen as the land of milk and honey since 1900. When they see this, they put on a blindfold and don’t realise that millions of people in the US are starving to death. They selfishly come to America dreaming only of filling their pockets fat with American money and make it that harder for the average American to get by. Its crap really.

Also freedom is when you have authority (that is what it has come to in the totaliltarian states of the modern world), when you are Bill Gates, George Bush or a Yale university professor. But you don’t suppose these derelicts would take this into consideration before they come here. They are blinded by the dreams of money and power that they don’t realize they will likely never possess.

Thas is what I mean. They think only of their profit and don’t care what America is really like. Many of such people turn back disappointed and say it’s a bullsh*t, because it didn’t work how they expected it. But if you want succeed, you have to work hard anyway!!! It’s my opinion. Instead of hoping and thinking how to get much money in a easy way, you should starve for your aims! But many people are really that superficial and naive! Really pathetic.

And again, it’s important to be “someone” and not to predent to be you’re someone, short said to have an authority, to have a point of view. And education plays a big role too. It’s often a dichotomy of education and oppurtunities.

Xplicit, it is good that you believe in working hard, I like to hear that.
It as you said there is a dichotomy of education and opportunities, thats very nicely worded, and deserves further edification.

Thanks for understanding. Unfortenately many people don’t realize what I mean by that and don’t share my opinion. But I am used to know how hard it is to achieve something and how easy it’s for those who were born in reach families and didn’t have to do anything to get something. I don’t envy such people, because they will never be able what’s behind it all. How much work and effort!

and about the dichotomy: I mean it’s required to have both “things” as such to be successful.

— And make sure it is STATE SANCTIONED education too, otherwise it doesn’t count, while the corporations seem intent on raising a generation of specialists to be cogs in their wheel. Education IS important, but it may just be another means to an end for those who have reasons for narrowing our perspective.
— Without education you are almost sure to fail. All the hard work in the world will be to no avail if you’re picking bananas, or loading trucks, or serving at some menial job. I believe in the work ethic. Broad spans of America have that puritanical work ethic DEEPLY ingrained in their collective psyche, but leisure is a necessary part of a person’s development, and a regimen based entirely upon work that will most likely be of MOST benefit to someone else while ignoring the precarious balance that is one’s own soul will surely fail.

Mcdaniel said:

“…and a regimen based entirely upon work that will most likely be of MOST benefit to someone else while ignoring the precarious balance that is one’s own soul will surely fail.”

Thats very interesting. It is becoming increasing obvious to me that the only way to be truly “free” is to find a way own your own business. When you work for someone else it is usually the case that they are using your head as a step stool to get by. Maybe not if you are getting paid six figures, but I assure you that most people are not getting anywhere near that.

Marshall McDaniel:

Of course it depends on what kind of work you perform. I don’t think that you can achieve any highs by hard phisycal work like picking bananas. If you’re educated, you have more chances to survive.

theoryofexist:

It’s obviously like you say, that people of higher positions use your head to profit from it. It’s always better to work for yourself, in meaning of having your own business, but it’s not always possible to have such and you have to be able to compete with others and it’s very hard at the beginning. You will have to improve yourself and only then you can rise in the pyramide of the hierarchy.

Marx knew that capitalists take that surplus value from workers for themselves.

Most people say i have to go into business for myself, but they spend very little time trying to determine exactly which business to go into. A business should satisfy a need for the Entrepreneur as well as the consumer, profit should be a necessary, but concomitant consideration. The problem in capitalism is that one company decides that profit is a THE MAJOR CONSIDERATION. Now all of its competitors must make the same valuation or go the way of the dinosaur. It winds up with mega corporations with pushy marketing hype conning the average Joe out of his hard earned dollar and paying a small percentage of that back as taxes and AGAIN marketing that as philanthropy.

I am for publicly financed elections. Money will allow you to lie and con people in this country. Witness the farce of the major media giants.

Wow, since your putting yourself on the line with such bold political thoughts I suppose I should too. I think it is based on the break a twenty theory. If they can trick you to break your twenty, and this is not the same as the .99 trick, then they will have all of it in the same day. Corporations tell us wait till later but they want it now.

Wow, since your putting yourself on the line with such bold political thoughts I suppose I should too. I think it is based on the break a twenty theory. If they can trick you to break your twenty, and this is not the same as the .99 trick, then they will have all of it in the same day. Corporations tell us wait till later but they want it now.

sorry that last post is mine but i forgot to log in, please delete it.

Perhaps essays and theses are not the place for my rants, (see the sticky in here), besides i am a philosophical animal and quite anti-political. Sometimes politics is the argumentum ad hominem made God and i really want to start saying YES to my life.

the people on the bottom of society are the people on top of themselves

no that was JFK’s inaugural address.

and you just motivated me to a new sig—>

“Ayn Rand is dead…”