ITA, faust. 
Well, if the liberal recovery industry cannot prove that children are always and permanently damaged by molestation/abuse then they lose their raison d’etre regarding this issue. That is to say, we demand that these children be victims, and victims on our terms and our terms alone, because of a series of other responses to child sex abuse require them to be so, at least statistically.
Child suffers few ill effects from years of abuse is not a headline that any industry wants to see because it means that there’s nothing they can sell to the victims to ‘help’ them. In no uncertain terms it actually works in the pharmaceutical/psychiatric industries’ favour to encourage mental illness, whether it be the result of child abuse or anything else. It’s like the military industry - it guarantees profits by guaranteeing war. The LRI and the pharmaceutical/psychiatric complex guarantee profits by guaranteeing a healthy flow of fucked-up people, by encouraging guilt, paranoia, neuroses, confusion, anger, frustration…
Yeah, siatd. I think your position can be rightfully construed as one that is against any extremism about this issue. I think this is correct, because psychology is such a young science, and because the crimes we are considering are various in their intent, intensity and results. I am not against extreme measures just because they are extreme, and am not backing away from the notion that pedophilia is a certain, real and important danger to society at large. But we need to be careful that we do not do more harm where harm has already been done.
This is why I think it is best to concetrate on acts and not actors. This by no means lets these criminals off the hook - quite the contrary - we should treat them as we do any other criminal, regardless of any “sincere” intent or even inborn propensity they may have.
We watched a long video about sex abuse charges made by children.
Psychologists did an experiment where one of the researchers came in and made some innocuous (NOT sexual) gesture around the kids. I believe it involved hitting a stuffed animal. Something to that effect.
Then another researcher came in after that person left and began asking the children questions about what the person had been doing. The more children were led, the more their stories changed about what the person had been doing. Of course, these stories became more and more outlandished as the children told them. However, this wouldn’t have been possible without being led by the researchers. This experiment showed that not all sexual abuse claims made by children are valid.
I suppose this somewhat ties into the theme of this thread. 
Another story was about an adult who had been molested when she was younger. Her mother never spoke to her about it (when she was a child) because she didn’t want the daughter to think she had done anything wrong. The mother made the assumption that the reason her daughter had been having relationship problems was because of the abuse she suffered as a child. The guilt got the better of the her and she told her daughter about the abuse. Consider that, up until this point, the daughter hadn’t even thought about it and was leading a normal life. The daughter began to feel turmoil and had to see a therapist, in order to deal with the aftermath of the confession.
The bottom line here is while what happened to the daughter was absolutely reprehensible, the impact wasn’t so horrendous that this woman couldn’t go on to enjoy a normal adult life. This woman’s mother immediately attributed her daughter’s relationship issues to this past incidence of abuse and created more emotional issues for her daughter.
Past sexual abuse doesn’t automatically equate into a lifetime of having failed adult relationships.
And plenty of people who haven’t been abused have a lifetime of failed relationships. Relationships aren’t easy…
SIATD- I had come close to mentioning the same thing. My relationship past isn’t the greatest and I didn’t suffer from childhood sexual abuse.
Generally, I disagree with racial, sexual victimization game that many play. We have had many laws for many years to prevent this, not completly to be sure, but many individuals play this game for economic gain, being hired without merit, etc. I sure do not want a surgeon operating on me unless he/she earned the position.
However, childhood molestation, violent crime, etc. do often inflict life-time problems. Unless you have been victimized, raped, molested, etc., you probably will have difficulty empathizing with the real emotionally problems this brings. I do know people, have two friends, and have had many students who have been victimized. Do you have any first hand experience with victims? I doubt it.
Sorry regarding your problems with: guilt, anxiety, depression, interpersonal isolation, shame, low self-esteem, self-destructive behavior, post-traumatic stress reactions, poor body imagery, sleep disturbance, nightmares, anorexia or bulimia, relational and/or sexual dysfunction, and compulsive behavior like alcoholism, drug addiction, gambling, overeating, overspending, and sexual obsession or compulsion. (3, 4).
Perhaps this explains the difficulties you have when attempting to refute claims and resort to ad homs, and hyperbole.
Hilarious. 
asp - I do not know what you mean by personal experience. I have known many too many victims of childhood sexual abuse. More than two friends, I am sad to say. I am sad to think that you somehow believe that my post was about you. But I guess everything is.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5195460.stm
CHILD ABUSE CONTENT
USA: 51.1%
Russia: 14/9%
Japan: 11.7%
Spain: 8.8%
Thailand: 3.6%
South Korea: 2.16%
UK: 0.2%
Other: 7.5%
(Source: IWF)
I’m just posting to make clear that I will be replying to this thread - I’m not ignoring the replies to me. It’s just I’m off to Mallorca. 
Hasta la vista!
I’m not surprised the US tops the list of child abuse. 
Hello F(r)iends,
“The IWF is funded by the EU and UK internet industry, including ISPs, mobile operators, internet search providers and telecommunications and software companies.”
-Thirst
You said:
“I can only conclude that I was molested as a child, and have forgotten it. Or that I am breathing. I say this only in support of siatd’s statement that we can perhaps do more harm than good if we take victimisation too far.”
In response to the symptoms individuals suffer from molestation. How on earth does this make the post about me?
Instructors in the k-12 system often come into contact with students who suffer from many of the symptoms and must alert administrators regarding possible problems.
Yes, we can take the victimisation too far, thus causing some children who are spanked to report child abuse. This does occur.
You said:
“I can only conclude that I was molested as a child, and have forgotten it. Or that I am breathing. I say this only in support of siatd’s statement that we can perhaps do more harm than good if we take victimisation too far.”
In response to the symptoms individuals suffer from molestation. How on earth does this make the post about me?
Instructors in the k-12 system often come into contact with students who suffer from many of the symptoms and must alert administrators regarding possible problems.
Yes, we can take the victimisation too far, thus causing some children who are spanked to report child abuse. This does occur.
Are you suggesting that the research was tainted?
And, of course, the location of the servers on which a set of illegal photos are held says nothing about
a) the country of origin for the pictures themselves - it’s easy enough to claim that a Canadian kid is actually from Russia and vice versa, and no one knows any different
b) the country of ‘consumption’ - this site is looked at by people from over 30 different countries, I can only assume that the illegal trade in pictures of children being abused is the same
The ultimate invasion of self.
A deep psychological defiance of human rights.
Traumatic humiliation.
Definitely a form of psychological abuse.
I’m talking about rapes only.^
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Believe it or not, age is not the real factor behind how good or bad sexual incounters are. Age is quantifyable, thus used by our vastly limited law & judgment systems.
What’s the real & un-quantifyable measurement for how good or bad sexual incounters are?
- Understanding.
- Compassion.
- Insight.
Those stats look like pig-shit to me.
In what manner?
Enjoy your trip.
Take care.
<3
UK and USA are very culturally similar.
And “51%” is just too high. It doesn’t sound realistic at all.