this is why liberal democrats are so wonderful

philly.com/inquirer/columnis … 0208073333
"Put the fireworks in storage.

Cancel the parade.

Tuck the soaring speeches in a drawer for another time.

This year, America doesn’t deserve to celebrate its birthday. This Fourth of July should be a day of quiet and atonement.

For we have sinned.

We have failed to pay attention. We’ve settled for lame excuses. We’ve spit on the memory of those who did that brave, brave thing in Philadelphia 232 years ago.

The America those men founded should never torture a prisoner.

The America they founded should never imprison people for years without charge or hearing.

The America they founded should never ship prisoners to foreign lands, knowing their new jailers might torture them.

Such abuses once were committed by the arrogant crowns of Europe, spawning rebellion.

Today, our nation does such things in the name of our safety. Petrified, unwilling to take the risks that love of liberty demands, we close our eyes.

We have done such things, on orders from the Oval Office. We have done them, without general outrage or shame.

Abu Ghraib. Guantanamo. CIA secret prisons. “Rendition” of prisoners to foreign torture chambers.

It’s not enough that we had good reason to be scared.

The men huddled long ago in Philadelphia had better reason. A British fleet floated off the Jersey coast, full of hands eager to hang them from the nearest lampposts.

Yet they pledged their lives and sacred honor - no idle vow - to defend the “inalienable rights” of men. Inalienable - what does that signify? It means rights that belong to each person, simply by virtue of being human. Rights that can never be taken away, no matter what evil a person might do or might intend.

Surely one of those is the right not to be tortured. Surely that is a piece of “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

This is the creed of July 4: No matter what it costs us, no matter how it scares us, no matter how foolish it seems to a cynical world, America should stand up for human rights.

No, not even the brave men who picked up a quill, dipped it in ink and signed the parchment that summer day in Philadelphia lived up perfectly to the creed. But they did something extraordinary, founding a new nation upon a vow to oppose all the evil habits of tyranny.

That is why history still honors them.

But what will history think of us, of how we responded to our great challenge? Sept. 11 was a hideous evil, a grievous wound. Yet, truth told, it has not summoned our better angels as often as our worst.

We have betrayed the July 4 creed. We trample the vows we make, hand to heart.

Don’t imagine that only the torturer’s hand bears the guilt. The guilt reaches deep inside our Capitol, and beyond that - to us.

Our silence is complicit. In our name, innocents were jailed, humans tortured, our Constitution mangled. And we said so little.

We can’t claim not to have known. The best among us raised the alarm. Heroes in uniform, judges in robes, they opposed the perverse logic of an administration drenched in fear, drunk on power.

But did we heed them? Hardly. Barely . . .

We were so busy. Soccer practice at 6. A credit card balance to fret. The final vote on Idol.

We left it to those in power to keep our precious selves from harm. Whatever it took.

We took the coward’s way.

The world sees this, even if we are too dim to grasp it. We’ve lost respect. We’ve shamed the memory of Jefferson, Adams and Franklin.

And all for a scam. The waterboarding, the snarling dogs, the theft of sleep - all the diabolical tricks haven’t made us safer. They may have averted this plot or that. But they’ve spawned new enemies by the thousands, made the jihadist rants ring true to so many ears.

So put out no flags.

Sing no patriotic hymns.

We deserve no Fourth this year.

Let us atone, in quiet and humility. Let us spend the day truly studying the example of our Founders. May we earn a new birth of courage before our nation’s birthday next rolls around."

wonderful propaganda and lies isn’t it?


"Put the fireworks in storage.

Cancel the parade.

Tuck the soaring speeches in a drawer for another time.

This year, America doesn’t deserve to celebrate its birthday. This Fourth of July should be a day of quiet and atonement.

For we have sinned.

We have failed to pay attention. We’ve settled for lame excuses. We’ve spit on the memory of those who did that brave, brave thing in Philadelphia 232 years ago.

The America those men founded should never torture a prisoner.

unless they are black or indians

The America they founded should never imprison people for years without charge or hearing.

unless they are black or indians

The America they founded should never ship prisoners to foreign lands, knowing their new jailers might torture them.

unless they are black

Such abuses once were committed by the arrogant crowns of Europe, spawning rebellion.

Today, our nation does such things in the name of our safety. Petrified, unwilling to take the risks that love of liberty demands, we close our eyes.

We have done such things, on orders from the Oval Office. We have done them, without general outrage or shame.

Abu Ghraib. Guantanamo. CIA secret prisons. “Rendition” of prisoners to foreign torture chambers.

It’s not enough that we had good reason to be scared.

The men huddled long ago in Philadelphia had better reason. A British fleet floated off the Jersey coast, full of hands eager to hang them from the nearest lampposts.

moral equivalence from a liberal democrat who doesn’t know or outright lies about the fucking history.

Yet they pledged their lives and sacred honor - no idle vow - to defend the “inalienable rights” of men. Inalienable - what does that signify? It means rights that belong to each person, simply by virtue of being human. Rights that can never be taken away, no matter what evil a person might do or might intend.

unless you are black or indian or female.

Surely one of those is the right not to be tortured. Surely that is a piece of “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

unless you are black or indian

This is the creed of July 4: No matter what it costs us, no matter how it scares us, no matter how foolish it seems to a cynical world, America should stand up for human rights.

LMAO!!!

No, not even the brave men who picked up a quill, dipped it in ink and signed the parchment that summer day in Philadelphia lived up perfectly to the creed. But they did something extraordinary, founding a new nation upon a vow to oppose all the evil habits of tyranny.

except for blacks, indians and women

That is why history still honors them.

and if you fucking knew a damn thing about history you wouldn’t spead such lies, but then again, what else do you expect from a leftist totalitarian democrat propagandist?!?

But what will history think of us, of how we responded to our great challenge? Sept. 11 was a hideous evil, a grievous wound. Yet, truth told, it has not summoned our better angels as often as our worst.

We have betrayed the July 4 creed. We trample the vows we make, hand to heart.

can you hear the fucking violins?!?

Don’t imagine that only the torturer’s hand bears the guilt. The guilt reaches deep inside our Capitol, and beyond that - to us.

then give every square inch of land back to the indians and move your socialist ass to china

Our silence is complicit. In our name, innocents were jailed, humans tortured, our Constitution mangled. And we said so little.

LMAO!!! and this idiot liberal thinks this is a bush invention?!?

We can’t claim not to have known. The best among us raised the alarm. Heroes in uniform, judges in robes, they opposed the perverse logic of an administration drenched in fear, drunk on power.

LMAO!!! the best among you running to canada…

But did we heed them? Hardly. Barely . . .

We were so busy. Soccer practice at 6. A credit card balance to fret. The final vote on Idol.

We left it to those in power to keep our precious selves from harm. Whatever it took.

We took the coward’s way.

no, you did liberal. plenty of patriots enlisted.

The world sees this, even if we are too dim to grasp it. We’ve lost respect. We’ve shamed the memory of Jefferson, Adams and Franklin.

LMAO!!! your misrepresentation of jefferson, adams and franklin is offensive you liberal propagandist.

And all for a scam. The waterboarding, the snarling dogs, the theft of sleep - all the diabolical tricks haven’t made us safer. They may have averted this plot or that. But they’ve spawned new enemies by the thousands, made the jihadist rants ring true to so many ears.

yeah, and we have been attacked how many times since 9/11?!?

So put out no flags.

Sing no patriotic hymns.

We deserve no Fourth this year.

Let us atone, in quiet and humility. Let us spend the day truly studying the example of our Founders. May we earn a new birth of courage before our nation’s birthday next rolls around."

study the example of the founders indeed. whip a slave and kill some indians you fucking liberal puke.

and you don’t see the civil unrest mounting? civil war is fucking close.

[size=200]VIVA LA REVOLUTION!!![/size]

-Imp

Donald Rumsfeld reminds me of
Himler. In appearance and as minister of propaganda- Those that leak "“ought to be imprisoned. And if we find out who they are, they will be imprisoned.”

IMP in his hatred of liberals has missed a couple of things. First of all, he is judging the past
and the actions there by modern thinking. Yes, we did enslave as have many, many societies including
The Romans, Greeks and the Egyptians to name a few. But we cannot judge them by our modern standards.
Yes, we did practice genocide as did the Romans, the Greeks, the Persians, the English, the French,
the Turkish, and dozens of others societies. We cannot judge them based on modern standards.
Yes, we have tortured as has every society from Egyptians on down has done.
We cannot condone the past, but we can become aware of and can change
our actions of today. The past is a book already written and nothing can be done about it but
the present is a work in progress and we can rewrite those words. Imp is fighting a war
that was fought in the past, I am interested in today, not yesterday.

I must admit having the fourth of July as a day of quiet reflection and atonement is a wonderful
idea. We can reflect on the past and use that reflection as a guide into the future.
We can reflect that the past is full of mistakes, but we don’t have to go down those paths, we can create
our own future, our own possibilities. This use of the fourth as a day of thought to our own future
is a wonderful tool for us and our children.

Kropotkin

failed mistakes of government tyranny and socialist hell

can you feel the revolution?

-Imp

American democracy has been high-jacked. We should no longer hide the fact that this country is run entirely for the benefit of certain large pools of capital.

LMAO… welcome to america.

nothing has been hijacked.

it has always been about the acquisition of power and wealth.

-Imp

What about – “Character Matters” - Rush Limbaa

liberalism is a disease

liberalism and right-winged-ismnessiss are both social pox. Both have some good and absurd things to say.

liberals fighting for equal rights for gay-men is great. Many conservatives wouldn’t say this is only a liberal agenda though.

the religious right has absurd religious opinions. nonsensical christian shittttt.

the left, hides its religious values behind the face of multiculturalism and ‘diversity’ and a bunch of other concepts, obscuring history and science in a lot of ways. PETA isn’t conservative right? Tree huggers aren’t either.

both the right and the left can be endlessly critisized for their stereotypical views. I think people should find it discomforting to be labeled either conservative or liberal, considering that each party has glaring flaws.

conservative drug ideas are absurd/dangerous.

I don’t know which group (as a general estimate) that I hate more. I certainly hate all the liberal BS about iraq and etc though.

I find that most people taking the war seriously seem to have some flavor of conservative judgement to it, people who are humane about the issue I mean.

I haven’t seen one arguement against the iraq war *US/etc envolvement with it, that sensically highlights that the coalition 1. caused it. or 2. are making it worse.

Now, its probable that past american influence set the stage for a fundamental collapse of society between two conflicting ideaologies, which were set at each other’s throats by slow social cracks/friction between the sunni/shiite largely caused by a brutal dictatorship. I’m not sure how keeping that dictatorship in place would have helped, as its what essentially did a lot of the damage (though the fundamentalism/differences were there making it fairly unstable to begin with. at least potentially) breakdown/jihadism was already largely taking massive root.

It may be an unwinnable war, but it seems America has some responsibility to fix this fucked up situation in Iraq which they are probably at least partially responsible for, the US has also signed treaties saying they’d step in; in similiar situations, its certainly an economically successful venture if possible to control on top of everything else.

I haven’t seen a sensical liberal arguement about it past: “its an unwinnable war” which may well be true.

But an unwinnable regional civil war doesn’t seem a whole lot more encourging and its definatly a possibility?


I could go on just as long about some shit i hate about republicans too, but fuck its just nutty shit from both parties continously.,

Like liberal democrats are the only ones to use inaccurate idealized ‘‘founding fathers’’ BS to support an argument.

The calls for revolution have been around for more than 200 years, from whiskey makers, Al Hamilton and Charlie Manson. I’m not holding my breath.