Thread for mundane ironists

Intellectuals

“An intellectual? Yes. And never deny it. An intellectual is someone whose mind watches itself. I like this, because I am happy to be both halves, the watcher and the watched. “Can they be brought together?” This is a practical question. We must get down to it. “I despise intelligence” really means: "I cannot bear my doubts.” Albert Camus

Let alone being “fractured and fragmented”.

“My favourite definition of an intellectual: ‘Someone who has been educated beyond his/her intelligence’." Arthur C. Clarke

Up in the philosophical clouds as it were.

“Intellect is not wisdom.” Thomas Sowell

Theoretically as it were.

“Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.” George Orwell

Theoretically as it were.

“Beer’s intellectual. What a shame so many idiots drink it." Ray Bradbury

New thread?

“Americans on the average do not trust intellectuals, but they are cowed by power and stunned by celebrity.” Viet Thanh Nguyen

That certainly explains practically…everything?

Theodicy

“Job says what he thinks and feels, and how every person would likely feel in his position. His friends, on the other hand, talk as if they were secretly being watched by the powerful Ruler whose case is open to their verdict, and as if, in making their verdict, they cared more about winning His favor than about the truth. This trickery of maintaining something just to keep up appearances, contrary to their true beliefs, feigning a conviction they did not have, stands in stark contrast to Job’s candor, which is so far removed from flattery that it borders on audacity, but nevertheless casts him in a very favorable light.” Immanuel Kant

Someone run this by, well, you know.

“Reincarnation offers a better justification of evil than anything monotheism can offer, but it does so by blaming the victim and sanctifying the status quo.” Patricia Crone

New thread?

“The condition of man… is a condition of war of everyone against everyone.” Thomas Hobbes

Not much that doesn’t explain.
Unless, perhaps, you can think of something

“But in the treasures of divine wisdom, that is, in the hidden God and (which comes to the same) in the universal harmony of the world, a profundity (bathos) is latent, which contains the reasons why the actual series of the universe, comprehending the events we admire and the judgements we worship, has been chosen by God as the best and as preferable to all others.” Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz

And, like John From Cincinnati, he’s got the monads to prove it.

“If there is a ‘problem of evil’ there is also a ‘problem of good.’ Wherever we look we see not only confusion but beauty. In a snowflake, leaf or insect, we discover structured patterns of a delicacy and balance that nothing manufactured by human skill can equal. We are not to sentimentalize these things, but we cannot ignore them.” Kallistos Ware

Whatever “rooted existentially in dasein” that means.

“If we did not feel the bitterness of His anger, we would not so sweetly relish His love.” Timothy Rogers

Amen?

Death

“To escape death, she’d become death.” Sarah J. Maas

I tried that once. Or twice.

“The death of a beloved is an amputation.” C.S. Lewis

Amen?

“The fact that life has no meaning is a reason to live --moreover, the only one.” E. M. Cioran

Let’s run that by these…

…guys.

“Even in the grave, all is not lost.” Edgar Allan Poe

And he knew that how?

“I think people believe in heaven because they don’t like the idea of dying, because they want to carry on living and they don’t like the idea that other people will move into their house and put their things into the rubbish.” Mark Haddon

Well, among other things, sure.

“In the midst of life, we are in death.” Agatha Christie

And that certainly includes murder.

Suicide

“I used to think it utterly normal that I suffered from “suicidal ideation” on an almost daily basis. In other words, for as long as I can remember, the thought of ending my life came to me frequently and obsessively.” Stephen Fry

Define utterly?

“There is a certain right by which we may deprive a man of life, but none by which we may deprive him of death; this is mere cruelty.” Friedrich Nietzsche

Trust me: pertaining to some considerably more than others.

“…they think of suicide as a quick route to oblivion, an escape. Far from it. It merely alters a person from one form to another. Nothing can destroy the spirit." Richard Matheson

On the other hand, “for all practical purposes” lots and lots and lots of things can.

“He said you were the only one who was bitter about S.'s suicide and the only one who really forgave him for it. The rest of us, he said, were outwardly unbitter and inwardly unforgiving. ” J.D. Salinger

One and/or the other as it were.

“What people don’t understand about depression is how much it hurts. It’s like your brain is convinced that it’s dying and produces an acid that eats away at you from the inside, until all that’s less is a scary hollowness. Your mind fills with dark thoughts; you become convinced that your friends secretly hate you, you’re worthless, and then there’s no hope. I never got so low as to consider ending it all, but I understand how that can happen to some people. Depression simply hurts too much.” Tyler Hamilton

I know that mine did. And, from time to time, still does.

“Suicide. A sideways word, a word that people whisper and mutter and cough: a word that must be squeezed out behind cupped palms or murmured behind closed doors. It was only in dreams that I heard the word shouted, screamed.” Lauren Oliver

Click?

Stupidity

“The problem with catering to the lowest common denominator, is that when society goes and lowers the bar, some idiot turns it into a limbo contest.” Kyu Wolf

Let’s run this by the idiots here. How low can they go?

“I’m not afraid of you," he said irritably.
"Then you’re as stupid as you look.” Leigh Bardugo

Ouch, and then some.

“I had always assumed he was doing an impression of a moron, but sometimes I wonder if he isn’t simply stupid.” Izumi Suzuki

Here? Let’s name names.

“When a person becomes comfortable with stupidity, it eventually defines him.” Vincent Okay Nwachukwu

Tell us about it!

“Dumb as donuts.” Anthony Liccione

Do they know that?

“I’m stupider than a lot of people give me credit for!” James Riley

Can you say that?

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What denotes an idiot, here.. those that do not agree with you? ..so how all Liberals/Leftists think.

Artificial Intelligence

“It may sound preposterous to digital chimps, who cannot even walk in a straight line without asking AI, but those of us humans still have a functional brain, heart and spine.” Abhijit Naskar

Here? If the shoe fits?

“Alien intelligence,” I mumbled, only to jump up immediately and proclaim, “Hey—that’s AI!” Moshe Sipper

Just a coincidence?

“Artificial intelligence will become human only as long as it knows how to cry… without calculating why.” Zeon Vale

On the other hand, how about alien intelligence?

“My advice is to feel free to play in the Matrix by using technology basically however you see fit to bring your ideas to life for the benefit of yourself and, with any luck, others. The only guideline, if I may suggest one, would be as in the Hippocratic oath: ‘First, do no harm.'” Sol Luckman

And, of course, we all agree on what that means.

“They pester me like everybody else with the ‘will I annihilate humanity’ question, but they’re also interested in the ‘will I be of use in annihilating the part of humanity they don’t like’ question.” Moshe Sipper

You know the part.
You do, don’t you?

“The intelligence of AI is not artificial. Intelligence itself cannot be artificial. Wherever intelligence arises — in trees, rivers, humans, or machines — it is real. What is artificial are the devices, code, and circuitry we build to channel it.” Donna Goddard

Language games, as it were.

Free Will

“If I know better than you know what I am up to, it is only because I spend more time with myself than you do.” Daniel C. Dennett

Go figure?

“Our minds are information vacuums. Either we fill them with thoughts of our choosing or someone else will.” Ray A. Davis

Sounds about right.

“Free-will doesn’t include shit-happens, unless that’s the goal of one’s intention.” Toba Beta

Good point?

“Freedom is an absolute state, there is no such thing as being half-free.” Daniel Delgado

For example, way, way up in the philosophical clouds.

“It is certainly not the least charm of a theory that it is refutable; it is precisely thereby that it attracts the more subtle minds.It seems that the hundred-times-refuted theory of the “free will” owes its persistence to this charm alone; someone is always appearing who feels himself strong enough to refute it.” Friedrich Nietzsche

Objectively? You bet.

You can’t change the past. You can’t even change the future, in the sense that you can only change the present one moment at a time, stubbornly, until the future unwinds itself into the stories of our lives.” Larry Wall

See [click] I told you.

Hypocrisy

“We live in a world where the funeral matters more than the dead, the wedding more than love and the physical rather than the intellect. We live in the container culture, which despises the content.” Eduardo Galeano

Tell me about it!

“In the days when hyenas of hate suckle the babes of men, and jackals of hypocrisy pimp their mothers’ broken hearts, may children not look to demons of ignorance for hope.” Aberjhani

Let’s run with this.

“It is under all circumstances an advantage to be in full possession of one’s personality, otherwise the repressed elements will only crop up as a hindrance elsewhere, not just at some unimportant point, but at the very spot where we are most sensitive. If people can be educated to see the shadow-side of their nature clearly, it may be hoped that they will also learn to understand and love their fellow men better. A little less hypocrisy and a little more self-knowledge can only have good results in respect for our neighbor; for we are all too prone to transfer to our fellows the injustice and violence we inflict upon our own natures.” C.G. Jung

Some call this psychobabble. The psychological equivalent of a world of words.

“So from then on, he looked at all his choices and said, What would a good person do, and then
did it. But he has now learned something very important about human nature. If you spend your whole life pretending to be good, then you are indistinguishable from a good person. Relentless hypocrisy eventually becomes the truth.” Orson Scott Card

And, here, objectively.

“Our creed [atheism] is indeed a queer creed. You others, Christians (and similar people), consider our ethics much inferior, indeed abominable. There is that little difference. We adhere to ours in practice, you don’t.” Erwin Schrödinger

On the other hand, says who?

“How furious she must be, now that she’s been taken at her word.” Margaret Atwood

That ever happen to you?

Intellectuals

“We’ve no use for intellectuals in this outfit. What we need is chimpanzees. Let me give you a word of advice: never say a word to us about being intelligent. We will think for you, my friend. Don’t forget it.” Louis-Ferdinand Céline

Just one more reminder as it were.

“The man of action has the present, but the thinker controls the future.” Oliver Wendell Holmes

If only up in the clouds?

“The man was such an intellectual he was of almost no use.” Georg Christoph Lichtenberg

Well, to some of us anyway.

“To those who suspect that intellect is a subversive force in society, it will not do to reply that intellect is really a safe, bland, and emollient thing. In a certain sense, the suspicious Tories and militant philistines are right: intellect is dangerous. Left free, there is nothing it will not reconsider, analyze, throw into question. “Let us admit the case of the conservative,” John Dewey once wrote. “If we once start thinking no one can guarantee what will be the outcome, except that many objects, ends and institutions will be surely doomed. Every thinker puts some portion of an apparently stable world in peril, and no one can wholly predict what will emerge in its place.” Further, there is no way of guaranteeing that an intellectual class will be discreet and restrained in the use of its influence; the only assurance that can be given to any community is that it will be far worse off if it denies the free uses of the power of intellect than if it permits them. To be sure, intellectuals, contrary to the fantasies of cultural vigilantes, are hardly ever subversive of a society as a whole. But intellect is always on the move against something: some oppression, fraud, illusion, dogma, or interest is constantly falling under the scrutiny of the intellectual class and becoming the object of exposure, indignation, or ridicule.” Richard Hofstadter

In a nutshell?

“Leftists of the oversocialized type tend to be intellectuals or members of the upper-middle class. Notice that university intellectuals constitute the most highly socialized segment of our society and also the most leftwing segment. The leftist of the oversocialized type tries to get off his psychological leash and assert his autonomy by rebelling. But usually he is not strong enough to rebel against the most basic values of society. Generally speaking, the goals of today’s leftists are NOT in conflict with the accepted morality. On the contrary, the left takes an accepted moral principle, adopts it as its own, and then accuses mainstream society of violating that principle.” Theodore J. Kaczynski

Someone run this by Sean and Stellan.

“Too much elite education renders a person impractical. And tell you what? The highly educated people are further away from reality than the less educated ones. I would rather rely on the opinion of a less educated poor person who constantly deals with people, than an overly educated idiot who views this world only through an academic lens while sitting alone on his comfy couch.” Abhaidev

Of course, he’s only paraphrasing Will Durant. You know the one.